Army convoy attacked by TTP terrorists

[Clutch]

Bajwa is the most incompetent. Whats frightening is how such an incompetent simpleton managed to rise to the level of COAS.

Institutionalized corruption. That's it.

Don't blame our military when IK is the biggest supporter.

Lol. India owns Pakistan without firing a single shot thanks to the treasonous Pak military elements.

 

[Menace2Society]

Does that half century of relationship also include the Afghan Jihad period where the West was also spearheading the brainwashing on the merits of Jihad?

Pakistan had a choice to decline and they should have declined and sealed the border.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

We love our armed forces but our chief is incompetent. He has blood of hundred of dead soldiers on his hands. Still they are driving around hot zones in Hilux pickups.

If our military chief really cared for the soldiers on the ground, drones would be used extensively to support ground operations and we would be hitting TTP across the border in a preemptive manner.

Irony is that the same people complain when US drones fly through Pakistan's airspace to take out TTP targets.

Lol. India owns Pakistan without firing a single shot thanks to the treasonous Pak military.

And you beleive that Abhi crashed his fighter into ground for fun?

 

[Arsalan345]

Daily routine. nothing new. Those in the higher command aren't even bothered. Neither do we have a truce with ttp nor war. I don't know why we supported the Afghan Taliban blindly. Afghanistan does have the ability to start a civil war in Pakistan. I mean they can do unlimited suicide attacks in Pakistan. They are terrorists. Nobody likes them. We are still living in the 80s Afghan-Soviet era. We are still thinking that the Taliban are on our side. It's a big Lol.
There is no solution. The only solution is either truce or war. We had the chance to create buffer zones and annex larger parts of Afghanistan but we did nothing. Now nobody will interfere in the Afghan mess. Only Pakistan will remain affected but nobody will listen to us now. I think 3 to 4 soldiers daily is a new routine. It's sad but it's true. This is the same army that initiated Kargil. look at us now! We can't even save our borders from the Taliban. They have cutters. They use cutters to cut through the fence. terrible.

 

[Pakstallion]

The problem of TTP and terrorism in Pakistan originated not in Pakistan, not in Afghanistan but the house of Doval. Until he knows you know business its all a band aid on a gunshot wound. There is no one, not the coward Bajwa or PDM or even IK who can deal with this, even though I think IK has the best (poor) chance of the lot.

 

[Signalian]

The only solution is either truce or war.

This is war, and its ongoing.


@PanzerKiel , need details to analyze the scenario plz.

 

[Arsalan345]

This is war, and its ongoing.


@PanzerKiel , need details to analyze the scenario plz.

War? Is this a joke? They can come and attack us whenever they want. poor infrastructure near the border also adds to the misery. Where is the American money that they paid to us against These terrorist Taliban? Why not use the f-16 to take the Afghan Taliban? trust me both Taliban ad TTP are on the same page. They call themselves brothers so who are we? A Stranger??? We lost countless soldiers, majors, generals, etc in this stupid useless war. Why Pakistan isn't ready to accept that the Taliban have betrayed them? We must accept it and mount an offensive. Annex territories. They don't even accept the Durand line. Disrespect Afghan sovereignty. Disrespect them openly. I hate Imran khan's policy toward Afghans. Afghans are snakes.
There is no ongoing operation. Don't fool yourself. the only operation is Afghans Cutting the fence at night and hitting us badly. Wake up. Nuke them. Kill everyone. Fire in the hole!

 

[Signalian]

War? Is this a joke? They can come and attack us whenever they want. poor infrastructure near the border also adds to the misery. Where is the American money that they paid to us against These terrorist Taliban? Why not use the f-16 to take the Afghan Taliban? trust me both Taliban ad TTP are on the same page. They call themselves brothers so who are we? A Stranger??? We lost countless soldiers, majors, generals, etc in this stupid useless war. Why Pakistan isn't ready to accept that the Taliban have betrayed them? We must accept it and mount an offensive. Annex territories. They don't even accept the Durand line. Disrespect Afghan sovereignty. Disrespect them openly. I hate Imran khan's policy toward Afghans. Afghans are snakes.
There is no ongoing operation. Don't fool yourself. the only operation is Afghans Cutting the fence at night and hitting us badly. Wake up. Nuke them. Kill everyone. Fire in the hole!

War is never a joke. Its very disturbing and its painful.

This war won't end soon, its based on extremism of religion as fueling point of recruitment. This extremism runs into Pakistani society also as well as across the borders (Afg and Iran). You can kill terrorists, bomb them, cut supply lines and financing, end all the ways and means of support, but the ideology of extremism has to be dealt with and finished once in for all. The Pakistani soldier thinks he is the true warrior of God while the terrorist thinks the same.

USA packed up and left, they couldn't solve it too. All the questions you asked in your post are about military and political action, but the question remains, how do you kill an ideology that has run into generations ? It started in 80's and by end of 80's it had nurtured and was allowed to seep into Pakistani society too. In 90's it's roots started inside Pakistan through madrassah's. By early 2000's, condemnation for such factions started and the banning process initiated. Now we are 22 years ahead, another generations under the same psyche has been born.

Have you seen how TLP blocked major cities in Pakistan during their protests ? They brought Pakistan to a standstill internally with in hours. They were Pakistanis, they were people born, bred, schooled, brought up inside Pakistan. Curb, diminish, eliminate the extremism in religion and the war might end. USA had F-16, F-18s, F-15Es, B-1, predators and what not - if thats the solution you are after then the war will continue.

The ongoing ops are IBOs. Some infantry units are moving back to Waziristan area. But military Ops are only effective if there is a political as well as a social solution present which can be implemented immediately. Even if military succeeds like before, and you get the best politician who throws a trump card politically against Afghanistan, there is still no "social reform" as a solution for winding down extremism in religion which runs deep in Pakistan, not just KPK.

 

[Arsalan345]

War is never a joke. Its very disturbing and its painful.

This war won't end soon, its based on extremism of religion as fueling point of recruitment. This extremism runs into Pakistani society also as well as across the borders (Afg and Iran). You can kill terrorists, bomb them, cut supply lines and financing, end all the ways and means of support, but the ideology of extremism has to be dealt with and finished once in for all. The Pakistani soldier thinks he is the true warrior of God while the terrorist thinks the same.

USA packed up and left, they couldn't solve it too. All the questions you asked in your post are about military and political action, but the question remains, how do you kill an ideology that has run into generations ? It started in 80's and by end of 80's it had nurtured and was allowed to seep into Pakistani society too. In 90's it's roots started inside Pakistan through madrassah's. By early 2000's, condemnation for such factions started and the banning process initiated. Now we are 22 years ahead, another generations under the same psyche has been born.

Have you seen how TLP blocked major cities in Pakistan during their protests ? They brought Pakistan to a standstill internally with in hours. They were Pakistanis, they were people born, bred, schooled, brought up inside Pakistan. Curb, diminish, eliminate the extremism in religion and the war might end. USA had F-16, F-18s, F-15Es, B-1, predators and what not - if thats the solution you are after then the war will continue.

The ongoing ops are IBOs. Some infantry units are moving back to Waziristan area. But military Ops are only effective if there is a political as well as a social solution present which can be implemented immediately. Even if military succeeds like before, and you get the best politician who throws a trump card politically against Afghanistan, there is still no "social reform" as a solution for winding down extremism in religion which runs deep in Pakistan, not just KPK.

It's Saudis who infected everyone with jehadi mindset. They destroyed our country too. They infected Afghanistan in 80s. During 9/11, they recited surah during hijack. CIA has evidence but doesn't want to leave Arabs, thanks to extremist Iran. Anyway, it's time to shut all madrassas. I say blow them. I mean if we are unable to shut them down then we can accept defeat and gift Pakistan to talibans. Enough sacrifice. Terrorists are terrorists. World can't talk about Saudis involvement openly because of oil and other mega projects, markets etc. We can talk about it. This extremist mindset destroyed our society. Pakistani soldiers shouldn't be treated like this. I say we should take this war inside madrassas and other terrorist hideouts like zainabun brigade, lal masjid etc. We can't win against this ideology. Only solution is to destroy shaitani aalim who created extremism. Saudis has much bigger role in international terrorism than previously thought.

 

[Riz]

Another batch of poor soldiers are gone , there parents must need to know that how these pigs of GHQ Re-arming the TTP terrorists in KPK, just only to defeat imran khan , they dont have any shame and fear of the loss of civilians and soldiers , they only means business, no one can be important then these filthy fat pigs

 

[Mirzali Khan]

You sacrificed your half a century relationship with the west for the Taliban and this is the outcome. Al Qaeda brainwashing really did a number on your sanity. Should have listened to Musharraf

Musharraf didn't listen to Shazia Khalid

It's Saudis who infected everyone with jehadi mindset. They destroyed our country too. They infected Afghanistan in 80s. During 9/11, they recited surah during hijack. CIA has evidence but doesn't want to leave Arabs, thanks to extremist Iran. Anyway, it's time to shut all madrassas. I say blow them. I mean if we are unable to shut them down then we can accept defeat and gift Pakistan to talibans. Enough sacrifice. Terrorists are terrorists. World can't talk about Saudis involvement openly because of oil and other mega projects, markets etc. We can talk about it. This extremist mindset destroyed our society. Pakistani soldiers shouldn't be treated like this. I say we should take this war inside madrassas and other terrorist hideouts like zainabun brigade, lal masjid etc. We can't win against this ideology. Only solution is to destroy shaitani aalim who created extremism. Saudis has much bigger role in international terrorism than previously thought.

lmfaoooo

Try getting a competent gov in Pakistan that can do public schools properly so there won't be a need for these madrassas. The faux-progressive party PPP has ghosts schools but no one wants to take on PPP for some reason.

Army scores its own goals.

Another batch of poor soldiers are gone , there parents must need to know that how these pigs of GHQ Re-arming the TTP terrorists in KPK, just only to defeat imran khan , they dont have any shame and fear of the loss of civilians and soldiers , they only means business, no one can be important then these filthy fat pigs

U spitting bro fr fr

 

[Maea]

Inna lillahi wa inna elaihi rajioon.

Another batch of poor soldiers are gone , there parents must need to know that how these pigs of GHQ Re-arming the TTP terrorists in KPK, just only to defeat imran khan , they dont have any shame and fear of the loss of civilians and soldiers , they only means business, no one can be important then these filthy fat pigs

Any proof? Otherwise dont open your gutter like mouth to spill out shit.

 

[Sayfullah]

War is never a joke. Its very disturbing and its painful.

This war won't end soon, its based on extremism of religion as fueling point of recruitment. This extremism runs into Pakistani society also as well as across the borders (Afg and Iran). You can kill terrorists, bomb them, cut supply lines and financing, end all the ways and means of support, but the ideology of extremism has to be dealt with and finished once in for all. The Pakistani soldier thinks he is the true warrior of God while the terrorist thinks the same.

USA packed up and left, they couldn't solve it too. All the questions you asked in your post are about military and political action, but the question remains, how do you kill an ideology that has run into generations ? It started in 80's and by end of 80's it had nurtured and was allowed to seep into Pakistani society too. In 90's it's roots started inside Pakistan through madrassah's. By early 2000's, condemnation for such factions started and the banning process initiated. Now we are 22 years ahead, another generations under the same psyche has been born.

Have you seen how TLP blocked major cities in Pakistan during their protests ? They brought Pakistan to a standstill internally with in hours. They were Pakistanis, they were people born, bred, schooled, brought up inside Pakistan. Curb, diminish, eliminate the extremism in religion and the war might end. USA had F-16, F-18s, F-15Es, B-1, predators and what not - if thats the solution you are after then the war will continue.

The ongoing ops are IBOs. Some infantry units are moving back to Waziristan area. But military Ops are only effective if there is a political as well as a social solution present which can be implemented immediately. Even if military succeeds like before, and you get the best politician who throws a trump card politically against Afghanistan, there is still no "social reform" as a solution for winding down extremism in religion which runs deep in Pakistan, not just KPK.

Or you can use them to your advantage. After all, our enemy is using them to their advantage.
Kill two birds with one stone.

how do you kill an ideology that has run into generations ? It started in 80's and by end of 80's it had nurtured and was allowed to seep into Pakistani society too. In 90's it's roots started inside Pakistan through madrassah's. By early 2000's, condemnation for such factions started and the banning process initiated. Now we are 22 years ahead, another generations under the same psyche has been born.

You kill the ideology by using the ideology against them. You don’t counter it by promoting it’s opposite (secularism). You counter it by promoting them as khawarij. They say their doing jihad so you show them what real jihad is.
Musharraf promoted secularism when the country was most extremist. He promoted something vastly opposite which instead strengthened extremists cuz you give them more reasons to brainwash others. The “enlightened moderation” and simpimg for western culture strengthened extremists.

Have you seen how TLP blocked major cities in Pakistan during their protests ? They brought Pakistan to a standstill internally with in hours. They were Pakistanis, they were people born, bred, schooled, brought up inside Pakistan. Curb, diminish, eliminate the extremism in religion and the war might end. USA had F-16, F-18s, F-15Es, B-1, predators and what not - if thats the solution you are after then the war will continue.

When we don’t teach our kids Islam and the state doesn’t make a proper curriculum to teach kids Islam like they do for other education, their at the mercy of ignorant power hungry Mullahs. And again promoting secularism and making transgender bills only strengthens extremism. Why doesn’t the state focus and deal with madressas like it does with any other school?
Pakistan is a muslim country with majority Muslim population and always will be. The more we move away from Islam the more chances we’ll give Mullahs to exploit Islam.

USA packed up and left, they couldn't solve it too.

Did usa come to solve it tho? I’m pretty sure usa has greater reasons to be in Syria, Iraq and before in Afghanistan. And I’m pretty sure usa intentionally kept some extremists in some regions of the world strong or alive for their own goals.
When it comes to Taliban, usa was never gonna win the war unless it nuked AFG or managed to mass converts AFG.

The Pakistani soldier thinks he is the true warrior of God while the terrorist thinks the same.

But the state’s faulty experiments like secularism makes even soldiers even in some cases generals switch sides. That should mean something.
If there’s 2 people, one of which is hardcore right wing, the second who’s centre but more inclined towards right and, you bring a third person who’s a far left winger. Who do you think the centrist person who’s more tilted towards right would side with?

My whole point is Pakistan messed up the day it tried fighting religious extremism with secularism or other western ideologies.
If only it spent 10% of that effort on combatting religious extremism with religion like labelling khawarij as khawarij, today even Afghan’s would support pak over ttp types.

 

[313ghazi]

Terror attacks happened in NY, London, Paris. Are all of them incompetent?

You cannot prevent all terror attacks.

For every terror attack you hear in the news our ISI and Military has prevented 1000 of them.

What is the frequency of terror attacks in those countries? What is the capability of the terrorists?

New York suffered one attack 21 years ago. Paris was last attacked 6 years ago. London had a lone knife attack 2 years ago.

Thousands of our soldiers gave thier lives to free our country of terror attacks, now suddenly the same soldiers are facing multiple attacks a month. Sometimes multiple in a week.

The senior army leadership and to a lesser extent the political leadership are responsible for this failing. They've failed to maintain the peace.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Feel bad for the soldiers who have to put their *** on the line for their officers buying franchises and belgium farmlands.

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