Army chief to grind India in US

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You are crediting too much "stupidity" to Indians. When you say we pull our hairs..

It's more a case of not enough credit.

When the US did not sanction Pakistan when OBL was found in Pakistan

OBL had to be found somewhere - it wasn't likely he'd be found on Mars or in Antarctica now was it? So the question was not one of 'where was he found' but of 'was he supported by the State', and on the latter point the US has absolutely no evidence suggesting Pakistan State collusion with OBL, hence, media conspiracy theories aside, no sanctions or other punitive actions against Pakistan.

or when the US knows that Pakistan supports haqqani who are the prime killers of US soldiers in Afghanistan

You mean the same US whose military spokesperson made the following statement:

“What we’re not doing (is) counter-terrorism operations against the Taliban,” Pentagon spokesman Navy Captain Jeff Davis told a Wednesday evening news briefing in Washington.

“We actually view the Taliban as being an important partner in a peaceful Afghan-led reconciliation process. We are not actively targeting the Taliban,” he added.​

- no Indian will assume that they will sanction Pakistan for its anti India proxies or anti Afghan proxies.

They didn't/don't have to sanction Pakistan, they US government just needed to stop providing military aid and certainly did not need to voice the idea of mainstreaming Pakistan's nuclear program.

One can only assume that Pakistan still has some use for the Americans...because the fires elsewhere haven't yet been up out.

Everyone has 'use' for the most powerful country in history, and Pakistan is looking to improve that relationship by working with the US on contentious issues to find a common middle ground.

...seems like a lot of visits for 8 F16s...I hope they get it in the end.

Why do you think the visits are for F-16's, though I'm not really surprised to see Indians voicing such a shallow analysis about US-Pakistan engagement?

 

[aakash_2410]

It's funny how the general appears to be uninvited guest and yet large portion of Pakistani think US would rather deal with him and he's the one calling the shots in foreign policy.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

yes, its a weird pic. PM and chief are at same level. And civilians on one side and faujis on other. I cant think of this happening in India.

Just a case of amusement. In a meeting like this with cabinet colleagues too (not a one to one), does the Army Chief sits side by side with the PM?
I mean like really? In India it would have created a furore

You mean like this:

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

It is not put to rest since many Pakistanis don't like Pakistani Army General running foriegn policy instead of defending our borders.

Only Pakistani who dont like that is you.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It's funny how the general appears to be uninvited guest and yet large portion of Pakistani think US would rather deal with him and he's the one calling the shots in foreign policy.

An 'uninvited guest' is someone who shows up unannounced. The Army chief requesting (and the request being accepted) to meet officials in another nation to discuss military issues is not an 'uninvited guest'.

Military and diplomatic exchanges between countries deeply involved in military operations and strategic planning in a conflict zone don't always wait for an 'invite' before taking place. Do you really think every one of the frequent US intelligence, military and diplomatic visits to Pakistan is based on an 'invite' from Pakistan?

The US is still desperate to have a friend in Pakistan- not so much with Iran or N.Korea.

Why?

 

[VCheng]

It's funny how the general appears to be uninvited guest and yet large portion of Pakistani think US would rather deal with him and he's the one calling the shots in foreign policy.

The lack of a formal US invitation is only to protect the veneer of appearing to supporting the Pakistani democratic government. The fact that the General is meeting all the people that he wished to meet to present his case and for discussions, is an indication of his importance as a partner, nonetheless.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The lack of a formal US invitation is only to protect the veneer of appearing to supporting the Pakistani democratic government. The fact that the General is meeting all the people that he wished to meet to present his case and for discussions, is an indication of his importance as a partner, nonetheless.

The 'lack of a US invitation' is something propagated primarily by the Indian media, distorting the issue to fit their propaganda, and not something either the US or Pakistan actively promoted through the media to 'protect the veneer of supporting Pakistani democracy'.

 

[VCheng]

The 'lack of a US invitation' is something propagated primarily by the Indian media, distorting the issue to fit their propaganda, and not something either the US or Pakistan actively promoted through the media to 'protect the veneer of supporting Pakistani democracy'.

There is no distortion if there is no formal invitation. However, I agree with you that the visit may not need one, given its importance.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

There is no distortion if there is no formal invitation. However, I agree with you that the visit may not need one, given its importance.

Thank you for acknowledging the fact that such visits (between officials of countries actively involved in military operations in a conflict zone) don't require formal invitations.

The 'distortion' by the Indian media here is the implication that 'Sharif is begging for a visit', otherwise 'requests for meetings' are nothing unusual and the 'request' aspect doesn't normally get highlighted in the manner the Indians have done.

 

[VCheng]

Thank you for acknowledging the fact that such visits (between officials of countries actively involved in military operations in a conflict zone) don't require formal invitations.

The 'distortion' by the Indian media here is the implication that 'Sharif is begging for a visit', otherwise 'requests for meetings' are nothing unusual and the 'request' aspect doesn't normally get highlighted in the manner the Indians have done.

Facts are facts. General Sharif does not need to beg to be heard since he is clearly recognized as a powerful leader and advocate for Pakistan by USA.

 

[posedion]

Why does a Military General trying run the foriegn policy of Pakistan ? Does he have no time to stick to defense of Pakistan and protect the borders ?

my dear the 5 star generals of GHQ Rawalpindi live a lavish life power at the expense of a nation will they easily let go their vice hold

my dear the 5 star generals of GHQ Rawalpindi live a lavish life power at the expense of a nation will they easily let go their vice hold

peace with India is their worst nightmare hate pays full cashback

 

[rockstar08]

Nawaz Sharif is incompetent in ministerial appointments, so Army chief can step in, is that constitutionally legal?

Since when you ( Indians ) are concerned about our Constitution ?? we do it legally or illegally that does not matter for our lovely foes in neighbors ..

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Another Sharif in Washington - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

..................there is a growing impression that Washington would rather deal with the Pakistani military leadership that it believes can deliver on its regional security concerns. Hence the significance of the general’s visit.......

US wants Pakistan Army to have a coup d'etat so that they can again sanction Pakistan. These Army fan boys still don't get it. We need capable civilian government and not a military government.

 

[VCheng]

US wants Pakistan Army to have a coup d'etat so that they can again sanction Pakistan. These Army fan boys still don't get it. We need capable civilian government and not a military government.

No, USA does not want a coup as long as its own policy goals and interests are being met. And they are.

 

[Spectre]

No, USA does not want a coup as long as its own policy goals and interests are being met. And they are.

US goals are not a monolith but they evolve depending on the flux of various interest groups within US. Though some continuity is assured by the bureaucratic institutions like Pentagon and State Dept.

The game other nations play is how to influence this interest groups so that they in turn affect the US interests. India would try to ensure that Indian Interest and US interest align so that US when it protects it's interest in S. Asia is at the same time is protecting India's interest - Pakistan tries to prevent this alignment.

The fact that India and Pakistan are not the only players and there 100s of such pressure groups ensure that any given time US interest would remain unique and not completely aligned with any single country - Iran deal was an example of this when US broke away from Israel.