Army checkpost in Waziristan attacked by Mohsin Dawar, PTM supporters

[Ghost 125]

Isn't this country a democracy, arn't PML-n goons are allowed to say anything on national tv, PML-N which brought Pakistan to this level where It was about to go bankrupt? is this because they are punjabis and we are pashtun therefore we are event not allowed to present our side of the story on internet, let the media.

i am a pashtun , death to PTM, i wont reply to you again, i dont argue with brain dead PTM ethnic stooges

 

[Haris Mansoor]

Soldiers in these areas need to wear body cams.

They are even not allowed to use mobile phone with camera, as this may reveal the real story. even Army tries to stop PTM from recording their protests.

 

[Moon]

Total junk, and false propaganda against PTM by the army.


Total junk, and false propaganda against PTM by the army. PTM was being stopped from conducting protest against illegal arrest of persons and when they insisted, Army opened fired on them.

Is that why a soldier is dead?
Maybe you should go to CMH Peshawar and tell those injured men that they are wrong.

 

[hussain0216]

Lets say you were at data darbar when the recent suicide attack struck the police vehicle, and police arrests all men at data darbar, will it be lawful?
ok lets give them some advantage of situation and say once in a while is not a bad thing either but what if Police makes it a norm, and starts arresting random people they see after any such attack?
This is what army do after any attack, they arrests random people, torture them if they have any link with the attack and then they releases them. The issue is not they have done it once or twice, the problem is they do it everytime something bad happens to them.

Let me make it VERY SIMPLE FOR YOU

What evidence do you have that the arrest was unlawful????

Why are you stopping law enforcement agencies to carry out writ of the state

What did you idiots think would happen if you attacked a army checkpost killing soldiers?

 

[Haris Mansoor]

What evidence do you have that the person arrested lawfully by the state of Pakistan was arrested unlawfully

Evidence ahhhhh, Even if they were arrested lawfully, every Pakistani citizen is allowed to protest, the issue is not the arrest, the issue is not allowing PTM to protest against something they think is Illegal and then opening unprovoked firing on protesting citizen of Pakistan.

Who the hell do you think you are?

I know who am I, I don't need to think about this again and again.

These animals have repeatedly attacked Pakistan killing thousands of people

you need to be specific here, which animals

We need brutal action

The afghans need to be dead or pushed out of the land

Yes we need brutal action against anyone and everyone who is against Pakistan and the integrity of Pakistan.
But "AFGHANS"??? there is a difference between Afghans and Afghanis... I am an Afghan and I am Pakistani, I am not Afghani and I do not support the slogan of "lar o bar" which yes some of PTM supporters do raise but I am not one of them so do you still wants to push all of the pashtuns out of Pakistan, as all Pashtuns are Afghans (not Afghani).

Attacking a army post is TERRORISM

there is no excuse and the country MUST strike back and hunt down these PTM supporters anywhere in the land

Yes Attacking army post is an Act of Terrorism and needs to be dealt with iron hands, but will you dare ask for an investigation if actually PTM supporters attacked Army check posts or you will behave like Indians who blindly trust their army and media and believe that ISI is behind everything bad happens to India?
What if Army personals have restored to firing just to stop protesters from crossing the check post just like police do tear gas shelling on protestors (Army does not use tear gas shell)

 

[M. Sarmad]

No I am not an eyewitness. Are you? anyone here? any video footage which shows PTM started firing? How can you be so sure about that?

No, AFG based twitter handles. As soon as I saw the reports on ARY news that PTM was forcing to release "SUSPECTED TERRORISTS ARRESTED YESTERDAY" I knew it right there that Army was at faulty side here.
How?..

So, you yourself have admitted that you are only assuming things here, based on your prejudices and biases of course ...

And we have no reason to doubt the official DGISPR statement unless PTM propagandists like yourself are able to prove it wrong with evidence (not with assumptions or propaganda)....

 

[Haris Mansoor]

Let me make it VERY SIMPLE FOR YOU

What evidence do you have that the arrest was unlawful????

Why are you stopping law enforcement agencies to carry out writ of the state

What did you idiots think would happen if you attacked a army checkpost killing soldiers?

In Descending order:
1- I being and Idiot think, anyone who attacks on Army check post must be KILLED, but Army need to provide some evidence that actually that person attacked, not just kill someone just like Army killed a few foreigners a few years back in Baluchistan which was later proved to be a wrong act. (is this a logical answer?)
2- I want state of Pakistan to have its writ on every inch and every person living on this land, (these persons includes Army persons too). is it a bad thing to ask for?
3- In FCR, there was a term called collective responsibility, which allowed authorities to arrest any person who belongs to the same tribe from which someone commits a crime so that to force the tribe to handover that criminal to the authorities, (Although in case of TTP, these tribesmen were helpless) still Army had been practicing this rule and as after the merger of FATA into kp, this term "Collective responsibility" is now history, Army still practices it and arrests people living around an area where some crime happens. isn't it now Unlawful after this merger?
Can you please now anwser these simple questions

Is that why a soldier is dead?
Maybe you should go to CMH Peshawar and tell those injured men that they are wrong.

First, media haven't reported any death on military side,
Secondly, I don't buy ISPR's stance that PTM protestors started firing. Why not ask for a judicial inquiry of this accident or you will act like an indian hindutva sipahi and will say "I am not going to doubt my Army, they can never be wrong"?

 

[M. Sarmad]

In Descending order:
1- I being and Idiot think, anyone who attacks on Army check post must be KILLED, but Army need to provide some evidence that actually that person attacked, not just kill someone just like Army killed a few foreigners a few years back in Baluchistan which was later proved to be a wrong act. (is this a logical answer?)
2- I want state of Pakistan to have its writ on every inch and every person living on this land, (these persons includes Army persons too). is it a bad thing to ask for?
3- In FCR, there was a term called collective responsibility, which allowed authorities to arrest any person who belongs to the same tribe from which someone commits a crime so that to force the tribe to handover that criminal to the authorities, (Although in case of TTP, these tribesmen were helpless) still Army had been practicing this rule and as after the merger of FATA into kp, this term "Collective responsibility" is now history, Army still practices it and arrests people living around an area where some crime happens. isn't it now Unlawful after this merger?
Can you please now anwser these simple questions

1- Are you talking about Kharotabad incident? ... It wasn't the Army(You really hate Pak Army, Don't you?), it was the Balochistan Police and FC who opened fire on those foreigners who had illegally entered Pakistan.

2- No, it's not a bad thing to ask for. But someone who really wants the State to establish its writ does not try to malign it's LeA's the way you do.

3- As you are the one accusing the Army of carrying out unlawful activities in FATA, the burden of proof lies with you.. Or you just want everyone to accept your baseless propaganda unquestioned??

 

[Haris Mansoor]

So, you yourself have admitted that you are only assuming things here, based on your prejudices and biases of course ...

And we have no reason to doubt the official DGISPR statement unless PTM propagandists like yourself are able to prove it wrong with evidence (not with assumptions or propaganda)....

I have never claimed it in first place. but I asked you to provide any evidence to support DGISPR's official statement? you and I were very happy when some Indian's were asking for proof of surgical strike, now I want the same proof from army that really did PTM started firing?
My assumption is not a prejudices or biased, rather is is based on accidents happens consistently, you on the other hand are being biased without knowing what had happened on the ground. You have blind faith in Army or DGISPR but I ask for proof, If Ali wazir or mohsin any one of them have ordered for firing they must be brought to justice or if Army persons are found guilty they should be punished.

 

[M. Sarmad]

I have never claimed it in first place. but I asked you to provide any evidence to support DGISPR's official statement...

You claimed that the DGISPR statement was "total junk" and "false propaganda" .... Didn't you?
You didn't ask for evidence, you already "knew it right there that Army was at faulty side here" (sic)
And then you try to tell others that they are being biased?!
You aren't as smart as you think, Mr. Haris

... You have blind faith in Army or DGISPR but I ask for proof, ...

Quite the contrary, You have blind faith in PTM but we are asking for proof.

 

[Mrc]

PTM is not a big issue...


Problem is resentment in locals that needs to b dealt with..


Put Pashteen drawar and gulalai for software upgrade... Donot linger too long

 

[Mahmood-ur-Rehman]

In any case attack on Army is unacceptable should be dealt with iron hands

 

[Haris Mansoor]

1- Are you talking about Kharotabad incident? ... It wasn't the Army(You really hate Pak Army, Don't you?), it was the Balochistan Police and FC who opened fire on those foreigners who had illegally entered Pakistan.

2- No, it's not a bad thing to ask for. But someone who really wants the State to establish its writ does not try to malign it's LeA's the way you do.

3- As you are the one accusing the Army of carrying out unlawful activities in FATA, the burden of proof lies with you.. Or you just want everyone to accept your baseless propaganda unquestioned??

1- regarding kharotabad, Just a month ago an ISI operative/Officer (naib subaidar) who regularly visits our office, laughingly said, PTM is happy that now we have installed FC on most of the checkposts, but these idiots don't know that FC is part of Army, FC is army too -------> JUST for clarity................ But you still didn't answered my question, what if what FC or police did then, Army repeats it, don't we need to investigate?

2- No I don't want to malign LeA, I provide IT services to LEA in that region, but considering my self a logical person (you have full right to disagree, ) and knowing previous record here on ground, the dgispr's statement doesn't feels logical to me, therefore I want some proof to believe this, untill then to me, PTM's stance seems to legit.

3- Just before merger of FATA into KP these arrests were under FCR and was legal, although I still consider it as torture because local tribesmen couldn't stand against the terrorists, but now after Merger of FATA into KP it is unlawful, I am not blaming something new this has been happening since the beginning but was considered to be under FCR.

In any case attack on Army is unacceptable should be dealt with iron hands

Exactly attack on Army is unacceptable in any case, but actually someone did attacked on Army??? or army just restored to firing to control the protestors?

 

[M. Sarmad]

1- regarding kharotabad, Just a month ago an ISI operative/Officer (naib subaidar) who regularly visits our office, laughingly said, PTM is happy that now we have installed FC on most of the checkposts, but these idiots don't know that FC is part of Army, FC is army too -------> JUST for clarity................ But you still didn't answered my question, what if what FC or police did then, Army repeats it, don't we need to investigate?

2- No I don't want to malign LeA, I provide IT services to LEA in that region, but considering my self a logical person (you have full right to disagree, ) and knowing previous record here on ground, the dgispr's statement doesn't feels logical to me, therefore I want some proof to believe this, untill then to me, PTM's stance seems to legit.

3- Just before merger of FATA into KP these arrests were under FCR and was legal, although I still consider it as torture because local tribesmen couldn't stand against the terrorists, but now after Merger of FATA into KP it is unlawful, I am not blaming something new this has been happening since the beginning but was considered to be under FCR.


Exactly attack on Army is unacceptable in any case, but actually someone did attacked on Army??? or army just restored to firing to control the protestors?

1- Typical 'my personal source' told me this and that nonsense !!. Tell us something new... And No, Balochistan Police and FC is not Army.

2- Good that you have toned down your rhetoric/propaganda a bit... Nothing wrong with asking for some sort of proof ... But the way you outright declared the DGISPR statement as 'total junk' and 'false propaganda' and then repeatedly alleged (without any proof of course) that LeA's carry out illegal activities in FATA ... If that's not maligning LeA's, I don't know what is... and BTW you provide IT services to what LeA?

3- Irrelevant.. Waiting for you to provide proof that the Army carries out illegal activities in FATA...

 

[Haris Mansoor]

You claimed that the DGISPR statement was "total junk" and "false propaganda" .... Didn't you?
You didn't ask for evidence, you already "knew it right there that Army was at faulty side here" (sic)
And then you try to tell others that they are being biased?!
You aren't as smart as you think, Mr. Haris




Quite the contrary, You have blind faith in PTM but we are asking for proof.

Okay you got me, I am not that smart, but where are you asking for proof? you are asking for proof from PTM, which are not allowed on national media?
Army blamed PTM that PTM attacked Army checkpost, proof?????? where is proof????