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Argentina : First export customer for JF-17?

What question??

Why rely on Russian engine meanwhile you can produce yours(China)?. Afterall, this will mean any chance of fighter export will be relying on Putin's goodwill.:big_boss::D

Anyway, the JF17 is no match for our Typhoons, its like david vs Goliath, only that David stands no real chance. Argentina will be wasting its money(which it doesnt have by the way) if it was to buy this jet hoping it stannds any chance against our typhoon. Not even Myanmar opted to buy these, instead they went with Russian fighters. If they were to offer the J-10A or better still the 10B then yes that will be something we wil start taking seriously. As of now, Argentina can the JF-017 for all i care. That will be goof for us instead.lol.:)
 
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Why rely on Russian engine meanwhile you can produce yours(China)?. Afterall, this will mean any chance of fighter export will be relying on Putin's goodwill.:big_boss::D

Anyway, the JF17 is no match for our Typhoons, its like david vs Goliath, only that David stands no real chance. Argentina will be wasting its money(which it doesnt have by the way) if it was to buy this jet hoping it stannds any chance against our typhoon. Not even Myanmar opted to buy these, instead they went with Russian fighters. If they were to offer the J-10A or better still the 10B then yes that will be something we wil start taking seriously. As of now, Argentina can the JF-017 for all i care. That will be goof for us instead.lol.:)

True that JF-17 is no match for Typhoon.

But the UK only has 4 Typhoons in the Falklands. Without a Type-45 destroyer in the area for support, 20 JF-17 would still be able to overwhelm the 4 Typhoons. If this news is true it will require the permanent basing of more Typhoons.
 
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Argentgina should try retaking the islands before britain's carrier goes operational.
 
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Why rely on Russian engine meanwhile you can produce yours(China)?. Afterall, this will mean any chance of fighter export will be relying on Putin's goodwill.:big_boss::D

Anyway, the JF17 is no match for our Typhoons, its like david vs Goliath, only that David stands no real chance. Argentina will be wasting its money(which it doesnt have by the way) if it was to buy this jet hoping it stannds any chance against our typhoon. Not even Myanmar opted to buy these, instead they went with Russian fighters. If they were to offer the J-10A or better still the 10B then yes that will be something we wil start taking seriously. As of now, Argentina can the JF-017 for all i care. That will be goof for us instead.lol.:)
JF17 cannot compete the Typhoon but Argentina doesnt really have any other choices so a bad jet is better than no jet.
 
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Is it JF-17s or J-10s?
We are not selling J-10.

Nope, they can still drag their feet on this if Putin decides so. In that case there is nothing much the Chinese can do. Thinking about it, why dont they make their own engine to power the JF-17?
The deal to buy 100 more and an option for additional 400 RD-93 is already seal during Zhuhai Airshow in 2014.

As to why we don't develop an engine for JF-17. Quite frankly, why should we? It was not intend for domestic use and any foreign sale is split between China/Russia/Pak. It's a win-win-win situation for all three.
 
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At least they can train their pilots on an operational jet. And I don't think Argentina is looking for a war with such economic conditions.
 
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Why rely on Russian engine meanwhile you can produce yours(China)?. Afterall, this will mean any chance of fighter export will be relying on Putin's goodwill.:big_boss::D

Anyway, the JF17 is no match for our Typhoons, its like david vs Goliath, only that David stands no real chance. Argentina will be wasting its money(which it doesnt have by the way) if it was to buy this jet hoping it stannds any chance against our typhoon. Not even Myanmar opted to buy these, instead they went with Russian fighters. If they were to offer the J-10A or better still the 10B then yes that will be something we wil start taking seriously. As of now, Argentina can the JF-017 for all i care. That will be goof for us instead.lol.:)
Nonsense. We produce various version of WS-10 engine to equip locally used J-10A/B so there is little reason to divert attention to JF-17 engine when we have our hand full on more important project.

In addition, you have to understand that this sale is mainly to seek cooperation and influence in Latin America and it is NOT about money. We made record profit base on normal economic trade alone, so this deal is pocket change for us. What this deal does, however, is giving us more influence while not offsetting the balance of power between Brazil/Argentina (we have good relation with them since they are part of BRICS). It is also carefully graft in a way that we sell JF-17 instead of J-10s to avoid misunderstanding with UK which have the whole EU backing. We have good relation with EU so no reason to upset over dispute which is irrelevant to us. You are right, nothing to worry about. If we want to give you headache, we would done so easily.
 
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EXCLUSIVE: China sells fighter jets to Argentina which are able to attack Falkland Islands

The move, which further raised tensions in the South Atlantic last night, follows a three-day visit by President Kristina de Kirchner to Beijing last week, in which Argentina secured 15 economic agreements and significant financial investment to bolster its failing economy.

It comes after a decision by Buenos Aires to abandon talks with Vladimir Putin to secure 12 Sukhoi Su-24 'Fencer" bombers, capable of reaching Port Stanley.

Last night sources told the Sunday Express that the deal with Russia, revealed by the Sunday Express in September, had stalled after a series of delays and concerns over post-sale maintenance.

However, that failure will see Argentina now take delivery of 20 of the most advanced fighter jets in the world.

Mrs Kirchner has constantly caused concern for the Foreign Office with her campaign to generate international political support for the islands to be returned to Argentina.

Last month the Ministry of Defence revealed that the Rapier air defence system currently based on Mount Pleasant to counter any potential air threat is to be upgraded, with sources adding that the “operational drumbeat” of routine deployments are also being increased.

China has pledged more than £162billion in investments for Latin America over the next five years, and has indicated that it will write off millions loaned several years ago, allowing nations like Argentina to rebuild their economies.

Crucially, the financial package includes military equipment to re-generate Argentina’s crippled air force which, over the past 18 months, has attempted to buy aircraft from Israel, Spain and, most recently, Moscow.

Argentina had been negotiating for Russian aircraft, but in fact the Fencers they were looking at are very outdated if you are looking to hold the Falklands, and they have a very poor record for aftersales service for customers

Justin Bronk, of the defence think-tank RUSI

In a "working group" formed by the two countries, Beijing agreed to supply around 20 FC-1/JF-17 "Thunder" fighter jets produced by the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation.

The single-seat, single-engine, fighter has a top speed of Mach 1.8 at altitude of 55,000 ft and combat range of 840 miles, allowing it to comfortably fly to Port Stanley and back from the Tierra del Fuego air base in southern Argentina.

It will also carry a range of weapons including air-to-air missiles and laser guided bombs.

The collaboration will see China’s influence in the region soar as Beijing funds the projects such as the Cepernic Kirchner dams, the Belgrano Cargas railway and the Atucha nuclear plant will also generate more than 20,000 jobs.

A senior RAF source said: “The procurement of Chinese aircraft is worrying; they are modern, fast and very capable.

However, we have a robust capability in the Falklands and I imagine that de Kirchner is trying to reinforce her military to strengthen her foreign policy at the negotiating table."

Last night Justin Bronk, of the defence think-tank RUSI, said: “Argentina had been negotiating for Russian aircraft, but in fact the Fencers they were looking at are very outdated if you are looking to hold the Falklands, and they have a very poor record for aftersales service for customers.

“China’s JF-17 is based on the old Soviet Union’s Mig 21, the backbone to the Soviet air force, so it has excellent pedigree.

But it is cheaper than what Russia has to offer, brand new, and has a good reputation for being reliable and having an extremely wide armament fit.

“It is the non-Western equivalent to the Swedish Gripen, which Argentina originally tried to acquire through Brazil before the deal was stopped by Britain because it contained 30 per cent British parts.

“It would certainly allow Argentina’s air force to fly over Port Stanley, though it’s no match for RAF Typhoons and its pilots don’t have the asymmetrical training that RAF has.

In addition, we have the Type-45 destroyer which is the most formidable air defence destroyer in the world.

“This deal would give China the first proper export market for this new fighter jet, which has been developed with Pakistan, and it seems China is willing to offer Argentina very good finance terms.”

He added: “ There is definitely an aspect of trying to restore Argentinean martial pride, bearing in mind what an enormous issue the ‘Malvinas’ issue remains there.

For her to be able to say ‘we can hold the islands’ is vital for her.

“And while she is likely to be replaced by moderates when she steps down in October, it would be a mistake to think that this issue will go away.”

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China have sold fighter jets to Argentina capable of attacking the Falklands | UK | News | Daily Express
 
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Why not j 10A ? 20 jf 17..... What a joke :lol:
They should get 12 Su-24 and 20 JF-17/J-10A.:)
 
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Argentina is in no mood to attack Falk islands.
baseless allegation.
 
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Argentina will get L-15 fighter trainer and no J-10 or JF-17. Trust me!
 
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Argentina is not idiot to attack falklands with 20 JF-17 but RAF worried and accepting that JF-17 is a good fighter is a massive boost for JF-17 @Horus
 
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