Are you an Anti-Semite or Just Anti-Israel? Finally, the Difference Revealed

[Hiptullha]

. I think the answer is that at some point you have to have an objective point and say, "This person is an anti-semite" and for the author this is that if you consider that the Jewish State of Israel "is defined exclusively as the intentional targeting of civilians and non-combatants for murder" then you are an Anti-Semite

Can you clarify how this questionnaire has anything to do with anti-Semitism or anti-Israeli sentiments? And I am a little shaky in my understanding of "Semitism". Aren't Bedouin Arabs also semites? Could I be seen as an anti-semitist for hating Arabs?

 

[Solomon2]

Well if the question is biased, how can we be confident in answering truthfully? or is that the challenge, how much you can lie to yourself? Because honestly -

In my opinion you (and almost every other Pakistani here) do need to look out for the Complex Question Fallacy. But I don't see this as an issue the author has.

...a sub section of the Jewish population of the world share the same thoughts as me as I ALREADY showed what they think (in the pix i posted) So how can I hate them and be labelled ANTI SEMITIC!

The photo appears to be of some members of an anti-Zionist sect of Jews but how can you be sure they are sharing the same thoughts you have rather than just one?

 

[Hiptullha]

In my opinion you (and almost every other Pakistani here) do need to look out for the Complex Question Fallacy. But I don't see this as an issue the author has.

I think you're wrong when it comes to that.

• If you are a woman, would you rather live in Israel or Saudi Arabia (or any Muslim country)?

• If you are gay, would you rather live in Israel or Egypt (or any Muslim country)?

• If you are a practicing Christian, would you rather live in Israel or in Iran (or any Muslin Country)?

• If you are a terrorist, would you rather live in Israel or in Syria (or any Muslim Country)?

• If you wanted to join an approved or, at least state facilitated, Terror organization, where would you have the best luck? Israel or Pakistan (or any Muslim country)?

• If you invented a high-tech product worth millions, would you rather live in Israel or in Afghanistan (or any Muslim Country)?

• If you wanted to start a successful business, would you rather live in Israel or in Yemen (or any Muslim Country)?

• Extra credit, If you wanted to start a successful business, and you are a woman, homosexual, or minority, would you rather live in Israel or in Iraq (or any Muslim Country)?

• If you were a Jewish citizen of any Muslim Country, what would be your odds of becoming a Supreme Court Judge, High Army Commander, Miss-Universe representative, a member of the Parliament, owning your own land, openly practicing your religion, or starting as the captain of your national soccer team?

• If you were a Muslim citizen of Israel, what would be your odds of becoming a Supreme Court Judge, High Army Commander, Miss-Universe representative, a member of the Parliament, owning your own land, openly practicing your religion, or starting as the captain of your national soccer team?

• When I list these countries, what do you think of? Afghanistan, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria, Algeria, Bosnia, Somalia, Sudan, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Croatia, Yemen, and Libya.

We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

The questions listed and the one in the link you provided are extremely similar in nature.

 

[Solomon2]

I think you're wrong when it comes to that....The questions listed and the one in the link you provided are extremely similar in nature.

None of the author's questions fall into the category of a Complex Question fallacy as they make no presumption of facts.

Correction: #16, 19, 22, and 26 do presume facts. But in the comments the author adds, " Name one wobbly premise and I will delete the piece." - "wobbly" (or phony) questions being the other requirement to establish a loaded question fallacy.

 

[Hiptullha]

None of the author's questions fall into the category of a Complex Question fallacy as they make no presumption of facts.

I did not say the questions were the fallacy, just said they were similar in nature. Extremely malicious and manipulative.

 

[Dubious]

In my opinion you (and almost every other Pakistani here) do need to look out for the Complex Question Fallacy. But I don't see this as an issue the author has.

Of course you dont see anything wrong with it supporting and ONLY giving 1 choice

The photo appears to be of some members of an anti-Zionist sect of Jews but how can you be sure they are sharing the same thoughts you have rather than just one?

What the pix shows is the thoughts they are addressing and I too am talking about THAT particular one...Never generalize! It is a bad habit!

 

[Solomon2]

What the pix shows is the thoughts they are addressing and I too am talking about THAT particular one...

I can see how your endorsement of the picture establishes you as Anti-Israel but how does the picture help you distinguish yourself from being an Anti-Semite?

 

[Dubious]

In my opinion you

BTW, good to know your opinion is that which is looking through tunnel vision

Nothing much can be discussed with one who has a predecided mindset and tries to pass a 1 sided biased questionnaire as legit and logical even though the questions have something you claim to be

Complex Question fallacy

A question that has a presupposition built in, which implies something but protects the one asking the question from accusations of false claims.

I dont think there is any protection when one is drilling purposefully their propaganda or agenda...In simple English it is called brain washing! If you dont think in this direction than you are so and so!

I can see how your endorsement of the picture establishes you as Anti-Israel but how does the picture help you distinguish yourself from being an Anti-Semite?

I agree with them and dont hate them....nor do I hate ANY everyday Jew I have met in London who mind their own business

Besides....why do I need to prove anything? Israel on the other hand has to prove it is not a racist butcher state!

 

[Solomon2]

Nothing much can be discussed with one who has a predecided mindset and tries to pass a 1 sided biased questionnaire as legit and logical even though the questions have something you claim to be...A question that has a presupposition built in, which implies something but protects the one asking the question from accusations of false claims.

That's one reason why mercilessly exposing lies and omitted context is so important. So you can figure out if you've been duped or if the person trying to convince you to change your mind is at fault instead.

Besides....why do I need to prove anything?

It's a personal exploration. If you don't want it you don't do it. If you do it but don't like the answer then you have to decide what's next.

Israel on the other hand has to prove it is not a racist butcher state!

Noting that you've inverted the presumption of innocence you must now provide an example of the level of proof required to meet such a standard. If you set that standard over and above that which you require for other states then you're an Anti-Semite. Because you're not judging on the basis of statehood but on the basis that Israel is the JEWISH state.

 

[Dubious]

But I don't see this as an issue the author has.

So you find nothing wrong in forcing people to think of only 1 side orelse (like a warning) label them as anti Semite?

exposing lies and omitted context is so important.

What lies? What are you jumping into now?

Question at hand is questioning the set of questions...If they are a propaganda leaning towards brainwashing!

As for the pix...I said I agreed with them - based on the pix ....and only how much that pix said I am a little shocked how you blew that many folds into something else

It's a personal exploration. If you don't want it you don't do it. If you do it but don't like the answer then you have to decide what's next.

I dont like being labeled that too based on a questionnaire that forces me or threatens me to swallow its said idea or be labelled otherwise!

As for the bold part, I can say the same to Zionists why cry that the world hates us after mercilessly murdering children and then trying to justify it?

If you dont like it dont do it

Noting that you've inverted the presumption of innocence you must now provide an example of the level of proof required to meet such a standard.

The proof and standard of being called anti Semite is based on Israel is really joke worthy at its best!

If you set that standard over and above that which you require for other states then you're an Anti-Semite.

And here comes the conditioned labeling agree with me or you are Anti Semite!

Sorry man Anti Semite doesnt work that way...You dont have a copyrights for it that only Zionists can go around pin people with it!

Because you're not judging on the basis of statehood but on the basis that Israel is the JEWISH state.

Did I say Jewish STATE... and here I thought you had a better grasp of the English language



I have on this thread already distinguished that not all Jews are Zionist but a subset hence add 2 and 2...

 

[That Guy]

Your dispute appears to be with the topic question itself, the idea of personal exploration to answer the question.

No, my dispute is with the entire article, and it's intent. It simply doesn't make sense. Don't try and reinterpret the article, when it is clear in it's fallacies, yet purposefully vague in it's message.

These quotes of yours don't make you look smart. I told you before, I'm not the type of person who would fall for such tactics.