Are you an Anti-Semite or Just Anti-Israel? Finally, the Difference Revealed

[Solomon2]

...How about Israel vs -

Are Norman Finkelstein -

Sorry, this is a "self-help" thread.

What a loaded article, only a fool would take this seriously.

 

[Kambojaric]

I have no problem with Semites or any of the religions that were first revealed to Semites. I on the other hand do have a problem with people who massacre and deport other people out of their own homelands and then act like innocent bunnies when others tell them what they did was wrong.

 

[Dubious]

Sorry, this is a "self-help" thread.

So when will you practice what you are trying to preach?

 

[Solomon2]

...I on the other hand do have a problem with people who massacre and deport other people out of their own homelands and then act like innocent bunnies when others tell them what they did was wrong.

"The estimated loss of life during the partition of India is one million. Besides, 14-18 million people were forced to cross the international border in search of safe havens...in March 1947 the Muslims started large-scale violence, mainly against Sikhs but also against Hindus, in the Muslim-majority districts of northern Punjab. Yet at the end of that year more Muslims had been killed in East Punjab than Hindus and Sikhs -"

Ishtiaq Ahmed, Professor Emeritus of Political Science, Stockholm University
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Also see Question #15.

 

[Hiptullha]

"The estimated loss of life during the partition of India is one million. Besides, 14-18 million people were forced to cross the international border in search of safe havens...in March 1947 the Muslims started large-scale violence, mainly against Sikhs but also against Hindus, in the Muslim-majority districts of northern Punjab. Yet at the end of that year more Muslims had been killed in East Punjab than Hindus and Sikhs -"

Ishtiaq Ahmed, Professor Emeritus of Political Science, Stockholm University
​

Also see Question #15.

Was it state-sponsored?

 

[Kambojaric]

"The estimated loss of life during the partition of India is one million. Besides, 14-18 million people were forced to cross the international border in search of safe havens...in March 1947 the Muslims started large-scale violence, mainly against Sikhs but also against Hindus, in the Muslim-majority districts of northern Punjab. Yet at the end of that year more Muslims had been killed in East Punjab than Hindus and Sikhs -"

Ishtiaq Ahmed, Professor Emeritus of Political Science, Stockholm University
​

Also see Question #15.

A more appropriate reference would have been to the ethnic cleansing of native americans by the European colonial powers and the subsequent occupation of their land by people from another continent. That is an equally deplorable act.

As for your reference Muslims were a majority in West Punjab and Hindus/Sikhs were a majority in East Punjab. Thus both respective parts of this province went to the countries with their respective majorities. No people from other continents/aliens came to inhabit their lands. Were the massacres a tragedy? Yes. Yet today people have moved on because they have their own homelands. I am from a family who migrated from East Punjab. Do I consider East Punjab my country today? No. We are Pakistanis. Unfortunately the Palestinians were not given this choice because Israelis tore all of their land away through ethnic cleanings, building illegal settlements and those sad creatures who managed to live on the land of their ancestors were declared Arab Israelis etc. I know there is absolutely no point in discussing this with you as your sole purpose on this forum seems to be to spread Zionist propaganda but know this that not everyone is guillable to fall for this kind of propaganda.

 

[ravi kiran]

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Are you an Anti-Semite or Just Anti-Israel? Finally, the Difference Revealed
ARI WEISBROT March 6, 2015, 5:45 pm

Ari Weisbrot is a prominent litigator in New York and New Jersey, and moonlights as an occasional writer.

I have remained largely silent in recent months as Israel-Haters continue to hate-hate-hate. Israel-defenders flood social media with their staunch defense of the Jewish State, and break indignant at the insinuation that Israel is ever wrong. I giggle a little when someone posts on Facebook expressions of shock that the world seems unreasonably hostile to Jews, Israel.

I don’t get it. A majority of the world has hated the Jewish people since creation and/or the Big Bang. Ancient (and modern) Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, crusading Christians, non-crusading Christians, Muslims, Spanish Inquisitors, French, German, and Portuguese expellers, Torah Burning Frenchmen, European Progromers, British Massacres, Italian Ghettos, Nazis, Arabs, the KKK, the Congressional Black Caucus, Walt Disney, Henry Ford, Roger Waters. If it’s beginning to sound like a Billy Joel song, there is a reason. The list is never-ending.

Each of those Anti-Semites believed in their cause. The Jews aren’t a mere annoyance. They are the cause of everything wrong about the world. In the old days, you could also count on some mitigating hatred of black, gays, gypsies, the physically or mentally challenged, and any random minority who could be readily labeled as an enemy. Not anymore. As liberalism and political correctness have drastically reduced the list of targets, it’s much harder to find a good scapegoat for the problems of the world.

In some circles, it is even considered taboo to outwardly hate the Jews. So, what is a closet anti-Semite to do? Blame everything on Israel and explain that you don’t have a problem with the Jewish People – – just the policies of the Israeli Government. Some of my best friends are Jews.

But, because the three categories are so similar and often indistinguishable, I have developed a quick test to help you decide whether you are: (1) Anti-Semitic; (2) Anti-Israel, or (3) Just an idiot.

Please answer the Following Questions (there are no right answers):

For the purposes of this test, “Terrorism” is defined exclusively as the intentional targeting of civilians and non-combatants for murder.

1. If you are a woman, would you rather live in Israel or Saudi Arabia (or any Muslim country)?
2. If you are gay, would you rather live in Israel or Egypt (or any Muslim country)?
3. If you are a practicing Christian, would you rather live in Israel or in Iran (or any Muslin Country)?
4. If you are a terrorist, would you rather live in Israel or in Syria (or any Muslim Country)?
5. If you wanted to join an approved or, at least state facilitated, Terror organization, where would you have the best luck? Israel or Pakistan (or any Muslim country)?
6. If you invented a high-tech product worth millions, would you rather live in Israel or in Afghanistan (or any Muslim Country)?
7. If you wanted to start a successful business, would you rather live in Israel or in Yemen (or any Muslim Country)?
8. Extra credit, If you wanted to start a successful business, and you are a woman, homosexual, or minority, would you rather live in Israel or in Iraq (or any Muslim Country)?
9. If you were a Jewish citizen of any Muslim Country, what would be your odds of becoming a Supreme Court Judge, High Army Commander, Miss-Universe representative, a member of the Parliament, owning your own land, openly practicing your religion, or starting as the captain of your national soccer team?
10. If you were a Muslim citizen of Israel, what would be your odds of becoming a Supreme Court Judge, High Army Commander, Miss-Universe representative, a member of the Parliament, owning your own land, openly practicing your religion, or starting as the captain of your national soccer team?
11. When I list these countries, what do you think of? Afghanistan, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria, Algeria, Bosnia, Somalia, Sudan, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Croatia, Yemen, and Libya.

Please Choose 4 of the following answers:

1. Hatred of America
2. Sectarian violence
3. Internal strife leading to (or close to) Civil War or open oppression
4. Mayhem, War, and Death
5. Woman’s rights
6. High-Tech advancements and innovation
7. Democracy
8. Freedom of press, religion, and speech

12. When I list this Country, what do you think of? Israel

Please Choose 4 of the following answers:

1. Hatred of America
2. Sectarian violence
3. Internal strife leading to (or close to) Civil War or open oppression
4. Mayhem, War, and Death
5. Woman’s rights
6. High-Tech advancements and innovation
7. Democracy
8. Freedom of press, religion, and speech

13. How many active Muslim terror organizations can you name?

Choose 4: Al Qeada, Boku Harem, Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, ISIL, al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, Taliban, Islamic Jihad, Muslim Brotherhood, Armed Islamic Group of Algeria, Lybian Islamic Finghting Group, P.L.F., P.F.L.P. , Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades; Harakat-Ul-Mujahideen, Alami, Harakat Sham al-Islam, Hezb-e Islami Gulbuddin; Ansar al-Sharia (Libya) Ansar al-Sharia (Tunisia)

14. How many active Jewish terror organizations can you name? Note: If you named Israel, you either ignored the instructions above, or you are an Anti-Semite.

15. What is the cause of terrorism targeting Jews in Israel/Palestine?

If you answered “because of the 1948 Creation of the State of Israel within Muslim Lands,” Proceed to Question 16.

16. What about the terror attack in Tel Haithat killed 8 Jews (1920), or the Nebi Musa Riots that killed 5 Jews (1920) or the Jaffa Riots that killed 47 Jews (1921), or the Jerusalem Stabbing attack that killed 5 Jews (1921), or the Riots that killed 133 Jews (1929), or the Hebron Massacre that killed 67 Jews (1929) or the Sefad Massacre that killed 20 Jews (1929) or “Bloody Jaffa Day” that killed 9 Jews (1936) or the murder of a Jewish family of 4 (including 3 young children) (1937) or the murder of 5 Keren Kayemet workers (1937) or 6 Jews killed in Haifa (1938); the Bombing in northern Palestine that killed 3 Jews (1938) or the Tiberius Pogroms that killed 19 Jews (1938)? (just to name a few).

17. What is the cause of terror acts targeting Jews in recent years?

If you answered “the occupation,” proceed to question 18.

18. Is Gaza occupied by a single Jew? If your answer is no, proceed to question 19.

19. Where do 99% of all terror/missile attacks against Israeli citizens currently originate?

20. What is the cause of Muslim terror activity outside Palestine?

If you answered: Israeli occupation and the Palestinian conflict, proceed to Question 21.

21. What group attacked the USS Cole and why? The World Trade Center? The Charlie Hebdo offices? The Krudttonden Café in Denmark? The Madrid train? The train station in Russia? Pan Am-Lockerbie? The attack on Mecca killing 240 Muslim worshipers? The Mumbai train? Russian Theatre attack (killing 170 Russians)? The massacres in Somalia, Rwanda, Croatia, and Sudan?

22. Do you contend that the above attacks, all undertaken by Muslim groups, would not have happened if the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was resolved?

23. True or False: The Jews control the media, the world’s finances, Hollywood, and the US Congress? (Basically everything that impacts your life). If you answered true, proceed to Question 23.

24. How did they amass such power over everyone and everything?

25. With respect to Iran’s nuclear program, do you advocate cutting a deal and hoping it prevents Iran from making good on its promise to annihilate Israel, or do you think Israel should do everything in its power, even if it insults the President of the United States, to prevent its own destruction?

26. Speaking of which, what lesson did you learn, if any, when Israel was told that its withdrawal from Gaza would be the only way to stop terror attacks emanating from that territory and that everything would be fine.

27. How did that work out?

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very interesting article. thanks for sharing. there are many valid points stated in this article.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Sorry, this is a "self-help" thread.

Then start by getting your head checked. See if you've developed irrational fears and delusions of grandeur.

Perhaps Freudian analysis is required.

So when will you practice what you are trying to preach?

Oh stop it will you.

Can't you see you're oppressing him? What are you? Antisemitic?

 

[Dubious]

Oh stop it will you.

Can't you see you're oppressing him? What are you? Antisemitic?

Nahh....I enjoy circus sadly never been to one so here I am

 

[That Guy]

Sorry, this is a "self-help" thread.

You neither know, nor do you understand. This isn't an article to try and differentiate between criticism of Israel and anti-Semitism, rather it is filled with loaded questions that simply try and deflect legitimate issues. Simple exaple, what does "If you are a woman, would you rather live in Israel or Saudi Arabia (or any Muslim country)?" Have to do with the topic at hand?

In fact, I would argue, the author is using Islamophobia as a way of combating criticism of Israel.

Like your comment says, any fool can know, the point is to understand., something you've failed to do. So don't just reply to me using these quotes that don't do anything other than try and make you sound smart, this sort of thing won't work on me.

 

[Solomon2]

This isn't an article to try and differentiate between criticism of Israel and anti-Semitism -

The article's headline and topic question is, "Are you an Anti-Semite or Just Anti-Israel?" where the author offers questions he claims can serve as a guide to readers' personal exploration of this. He explicitly says, "There are no right answers."

 

[Dubious]

The article's headline and topic question is, "Are you an Anti-Semite or Just Anti-Israel?" where the author offers questions he claims can serve as a guide to readers' personal exploration of this. He explicitly says, "There are no right answers."

Yes but he also classifies into limited categories and labels if you even dare to think of a certain answer with each of the following:

(1) Anti-Semitic; (2) Anti-Israel, or (3) Just an idiot.

What about those people who are fighting for their lands? The same ones whose lands were taken by settlers making homes illegally from aid money on Palestinians lands? What about those people who saw their kids vapourized on the beach? (Palestinians)

And if you want to giive a blind eye to the minute conditioning present at every turn such as below, then all we can say is you choose to live in denial!
How can the author claim this

"There are no right answers."

and have this in the article?

. How many active Jewish terror organizations can you name? Note: If you named Israel, you either ignored the instructions above, or you are an Anti-Semite.

 

[That Guy]

The article's headline and topic question is, "Are you an Anti-Semite or Just Anti-Israel?" where the author offers questions he claims can serve as a guide to readers' personal exploration of this. He explicitly says, "There are no right answers."

That means nothing. The underlying problem is that the questions being asked are wrong. These questions are loaded.

Anti-Semitism does exist, but its these types of articles that do more harm to Jewish communities than they do to help it.

 

[Solomon2]

That means nothing. The underlying problem is that the questions being asked are wrong. These questions are loaded.

Your dispute appears to be with the topic question itself, the idea of personal exploration to answer the question.

How can the author claim this [there are no right answers] and have this [you either ignored the instructions or you are an anti-semite] in the article?

I, too, wondered about this. I think the answer is that at some point you have to have an objective point and say, "This person is an anti-semite" and for the author this is that if you consider that the Jewish State of Israel "is defined exclusively as the intentional targeting of civilians and non-combatants for murder" then you are an Anti-Semite.

What about those people who are fighting for their lands? The same ones whose lands were taken by settlers making homes illegally from aid money on Palestinians lands? What about those people who saw their kids vapourized on the beach? (Palestinians)

I'm not saying additional questions won't help but you'll want to make sure your questions aren't formulated on false premises or deleted context. If you find you must resort to these to embrace condemning the Jews of Israel then aren't you an Anti-Semite, plain and simple?

 

[Dubious]

I, too, wondered about this. I think the answer is that at some point you have to have an objective point and say, "This person is an anti-semite" and for the author this is that if you consider that the Jewish State of Israel "is defined exclusively as the intentional targeting of civilians and non-combatants for murder" then you are an Anti-Semite.

Well if the question is biased, how can we be confident in answering truthfully? or is that the challenge, how much you can lie to yourself?

Because honestly speaking Israel has less to do with Jews as per the pix I posted...Many dont even support the so called state made for them! Hence being anti Zionist doesnt make you anti Semite!

I'm not saying additional questions won't help but you'll want to make sure your questions aren't formulated on false premises or deleted context. If you find you must resort to these to embrace condemning the Jews of Israel then aren't you an Anti-Semite, plain and simple?

How so? I never feel the erge to bash, question, harass or even hate either an Arab nor a Jew....

BUT

if a criminal irrespective of his race and religion does a crime, I do codemn it....If in your narrow vision that is anti Semitic then Israel is beyond racist because it encourages racist killing of another race AND shamelessly tries to justify it!

Believe me I am not Anti anything but ANTI CRIMINAL! And individual criminals called Zionist not the everyday Jew but a sub section of the Jewish population of the world share the same thoughts as me as I ALREADY showed what they think (in the pix i posted) So how can I hate them and be labelled ANTI SEMITIC!

See the article you posted does just that!

You against Israel , you are anti Semitic! which is wrong and preconditioned brain washing!