Are Turkey and Israel on a collision Course?

[ovarel]

turkey will not escort the flotillas, this abs crap, as long as turkey is in NATO, turkey will have to follow the higher power directives, we all know, uncle sam founded NATO

Yep. Turkey should jump into the wagon of Iran instead,like so many shia pakistanis want us to do.

Its just a stupid understanding of multi-national organizations. You may have to follow the directives of Uncle Sam without being in Nato,actually this what see in most places.

 

[TrMhMt]

Sadlly but all the muslim nation says the same thing.

What does mean leadership for you or others? For me it means Turkiye is the leader of Islamic world in every field !! Firstly Turkiye is democratic country which has human rights and respect all of religions and nations... Secondly Turkiye is much more developed country. Thirdly Turkiye has strong economic, cultural ties with west and east These are enough to be a leader of Islamic world.

 

[darkinsky]

Yep. Turkey should jump into the wagon of Iran instead,like so many shia pakistanis want us to do.

Its just a stupid understanding of multi-national organizations. You may have to follow the directives of Uncle Sam without being in Nato,actually this what see in most places.

some follow without nato, some follow with nato, turkey is fortunate enough to be in meditarean and join nato

 

[mitth]

Turkey no collision but Israel Opinionated......
And other hand Turkey also Coracle..........

 

[Tshering22]

I think this would only remain until the next election. Usually democracies always see-saw through diplomatic relations. Unless Erdogan declared emergency and transforms Turkey into another Ottoman Empire in the process.

 

[ovarel]

some follow without nato, some follow with nato,

Good,it was not your position before,you said that Turkey follows USAs directives because it is in Nato. Now we agree that being a Nato member is not a deterministic factor to make a country obey the USA. Noone has to follow the Usa just because it is in Nato.

turkey is fortunate enough to be in meditarean and join nato

So,if you are a mediterranean then you join Nato.

 

[darkinsky]

I think this would only remain until the next election. Usually democracies always see-saw through diplomatic relations. Unless Erdogan declared emergency and transforms Turkey into another Ottoman Empire in the process.

erdogan has changed turkish policy from the original kemalists and has brought money to turkey why would they not remain till next election??, just because of their statements against israel???

erdogan uses his islamic policy to lure middle east and thats a very clever policy, the arabs are becoming friendly to turkey they had not been since ottoman period

 

[darkinsky]

So,if you are a mediterranean then you join Nato.

yes that too pretending to be in europe and being european

 

[Tshering22]

erdogan has changed turkish policy from the original kemalists and has brought money to turkey why would they not remain till next election??, just because of their statements against israel???

erdogan uses his islamic policy to lure middle east and thats a very clever policy, the arabs are becoming friendly to turkey they had not been since ottoman period

It is clever, but is a dangerous gamble socially in Turkey, considering that Turkey has prospered as a nationalist state more than an Islamist one. BTW I don't understand what you're talking by "bringing in money". Turkey was always a very advanced country soon after Ataturk formed the modern Turkey due to stress on industrialization, liberal thinking and scientific innovation. Turkish industries developed along that of modern Europe and hence became a global player. A lot of Turkish friends I speak to say the same thing. This "bringing money" is just a propaganda that is being done by him according to them. The reason why Turkish economy is successful is because of the founding ideologies that created modern Turkey; science, open-mindedness, nationalism and hard work. Not Erdogan.

So you need to understand Turkish politics much better. Israel doesn't even feature in these internal details of Turkish politics.

 

[ovarel]

yes that too pretending to be in europe and being european

No need to resort to childish urine-race just because i have adressed your ignorant understanding of world politics.

You have no idea about multi-national organizations,you are the guy can self-confidently(dunning-kruger syndrome) claim that Turkey is fortunate enough to be in mediterranean so that it could join it etc etc.

Educate yourself first,anti-american rethorics alone will not bring you anywhere nor anti-turkish ones.

 

[kobiraaz]

Completely wrong !! Turkiye doesnt want to be new leader of Islamic world. Turkiye was/is and will be leader of Islamic world forever.

I don't have any problem with that. Some one has to be the leader i don't care whether he is a turk, egyptian or arab... All i do care about unity. Hope other muslims think like this.

 

[darkinsky]

It is clever, but is a dangerous gamble socially in Turkey, considering that Turkey has prospered as a nationalist state more than an Islamist one. BTW I don't understand what you're talking by "bringing in money". Turkey was always a very advanced country soon after Ataturk formed the modern Turkey due to stress on industrialization, liberal thinking and scientific innovation. Turkish industries developed along that of modern Europe and hence became a global player. A lot of Turkish friends I speak to say the same thing. This "bringing money" is just a propaganda that is being done by him according to them. The reason why Turkish economy is successful is because of the founding ideologies that created modern Turkey; science, open-mindedness, nationalism and hard work. Not Erdogan.

So you need to understand Turkish politics much better. Israel doesn't even feature in these internal details of Turkish politics.

if you mean mordernity by the amount of copying west, than yes turkey was modern a long time ago, their women are allowed to roam in bikini a long time ago, and kemal stripped all turkish women of their dress to be drapped in skirts and turkey ripping off arabic scipt to roman one

but in reality turkey is getting more money, more development is following, now turkey is developing its own defense projects, instead of buy nato weapons and painting them

i dont thing that islamic affinity of erdogan has any thing to do with halting turkey's progress

 

[ovarel]

Ataturk formed the modern Turkey due to stress on industrialization, liberal thinking and scientific innovation.

Please tell me that it was an irony.

ps:You dont know about Turkey as much as you think you do.

 

[darkinsky]

No need to resort to childish urine-race just because i have adressed your ignorant understanding of world politics.

You have no idea about multi-national organizations,you are the guy can self-confidently(dunning-kruger syndrome) claim that Turkey is fortunate enough to be in mediterranean so that it could join it etc etc.

Educate yourself first,anti-american rethorics alone will not bring you anywhere nor anti-turkish ones.

brother im not anti turkish, have never claimed, im very pro turkish and i have admired turkey many times, i also am planning to visit your istanbul

im not anti nato either. nato has a policy which means turkey must do where even nato goes, good or bad, and that turkey cant do anything military which nato doesnt want or which things doesnt concern turkey personally like greece etc, so nato being a very pro israel org can disallow turkey for any such manuver

 

[ovarel]

brother im not anti turkish, have never claimed, im very pro turkish and i have admired turkey many times, i also am planning to visit your istanbul

im not anti nato either. nato has a policy which means turkey must do where even nato goes, good or bad, and that turkey cant do anything military which nato doesnt want or which things doesnt concern turkey personally like greece etc, so nato being a very pro israel org can disallow turkey for any such manuver

I dont know you so maybe i was wrong about your intentions. Sorry about that.

About Nato,there is no single voice in there(such as germany voicing concerns and didnt join Libyan operation)

Even though being in Nato,all countries have some red-lines. One of Turkish red-lines is Aegan dispute with Greece and Nato cant do anthing about it. It couldnt do anything when we intervened Cyprus(USA embargoed us but we are still in Nato)