Are they serious? Is Pakistan really blaming India for Peshawar massacre

[Icarus]

The only ripple that gets made is that Pakistan is being increasingly seen as a Jackass in International community.... just like the Drone Episode.. that turned out to be a Chinese Made that Pakistan tried to pin on India.

Maybe if you started seeing more than just India TV, you might be more alive to the fact that it was hardly an issue of global importance and you are severely overestimating its impact. Secondly, even the Harpy shot down back in early 2000s was not an Indian made bird.
I could see why India would choose a commercially available. inexpensive drone as a dispensable means of carrying out recon. Its cheap and comes with total deniability.

 

[third eye]

There is nothing wrong in Accusing India for every attack in Pakistan.......... It can serve the following purpose....

1) The actual culprits can keep planning attacks in Pakistan without fear of getting caught
2) The in-capabilities of security agencies can be masked by blaming India

While the nation stops asking who did it , why haven't they been caught ?

 

[Armstrong]

Well obviously, Pakistan is new to this game. Some hiccups are but natural.

Nothing beats the pigeon though !

 

[Icarus]

but with all deu respect TT sirji does those ripples are stopping these terrorists or helping them as they now know that whatever they do it will be blamed on india and no one will make them pay for thier crimes ?

I'm not one to support this means of action, even if India is behind this, the fact of the matter remains that the attackers are Rehman and not Ramesh and its internal fractures that must be bridged before we look for the hand behind them. However, it is the 'holier than thou' attitude of the Indian members that forced me to remind them that their government has also been engaging in the same practice of concocting lame excuses and dodging responsibility.

 

[GURU DUTT]

So India assertions that a random group of ten people who were killed under mysterious circumstances are Pakistani border jumpers because they confessed to it moments before they died and had come to create tensions in Kashmir would be true? Please don't kid yourself, the Indian establishment and media has long used Pakistan as a patsy for its own failures. We are merely paying in kind.

well but the dirrence it niether the world nor your own so called "friends not masters" beleve your theory and are already using their drone tech to weed owt troublemakers in pakistan ... am i wrong

do you know who is richard hedley AKA dawood gillani and Tassawurr rana and why are they lodged in US jails and have testified their crimes in US court of law and what a common american thinks about them and pakistan on this issue ?

do i have to tell you how pakistanies are seen and treated in western world or even arab world for that matter ?

so tell me how does your obsession to blame india for terrorism helps your cause

 

[nair]

While the nation stops asking who did it , why haven't they been caught ?

Let us be honest, we used to do this mistake before..... Blaming everything on ISI and Pakistan.......Over a period of time the attitude has changed we started looking at our short comings, and internal issues... Probably that is the reason why we have less number of attacks in India......

 

[GURU DUTT]

I'm not one to support this means of action, even if India is behind this, the fact of the matter remains that the attackers are Rehman and not Ramesh and its internal fractures that must be bridged before we look for the hand behind them. However, it is the 'holier than thou' attitude of the Indian members that forced me to remind them that their government has also been engaging in the same practice of concocting lame excuses and dodging responsibility.

weather india takes responsibilty or now how will it solve your porblem ?

will this noora logic =so what if i did something wrong he did wrong too ......work for you since you are in no position to force your will on any of the parties involved ?

 

[Razia Sultana]

If Indian support of TTP is evident, what makes you think on Peshawar they are not involved. Once you aid a fire, what ever it burns is on you.

The fire of TTP was started by the Govt. of Pakistan in conivance with the United States when they were trying to oust soviets from Afghanistan. Later it was fuelled by giving support to Taliban. You cant set on fire your neighbour's house and expect that the fire wont burn your own house. Just like Hillary Clinton said that you cant breed snakes in your backyard and expect them to bite only the neighbours. You were playing with the fire and when you burn your own hand you are accusing India.

 

[Icarus]

well but the dirrence it niether the world nor your own so called "friends not masters" beleve your theory and are already using their drone tech to weed owt troublemakers in pakistan ... am i wrong
do i have to tell you how pakistanies are seen and treated in western world or even arab world for that matter ?

That is because India enjoys much greater economic and political clout and has chosen to use this advantage to further malign Pakistan and thereby widen the gulf between them. Pakistan has credibility problems around the world, granted; but then again, so does any other country in a state of war. That is because the global outlook is pessimistic and simplistic, people are keen to point out that Pakistanis have been involved in instances of terrorism but not the act that Pakistanis have also died fighting them in the thousands.

do you know who is richard hedley AKA dawood gillani and Tassawurr rana and why are they lodged in US jails and have testified their crimes in US court of law and what a common american thinks about them and pakistan on this issue ?

I don't really gives a rats *** about what a common American thinks, the common American is not going to help me in my struggle. I have been attached with CENTCOM and I know how well US is faring.

weather india takes responsibilty or now how will it solve your porblem ?

will this noora logic =so what if i did something wrong he did wrong too ......work for you since you are in no position to force your will on any of the parties involved ?

It will certainly help us create some diplomatic space and counter India's skewed narrative of Pakistan's role in the WoT.

 

[GURU DUTT]

That is because India enjoys much greater economic and political clout and has chosen to use this advantage to further malign Pakistan and thereby widen the gulf between them. Pakistan has credibility problems around the world, granted; but then again, so does any other country in a state of war. That is because the global outlook is pessimistic and simplistic, people are keen to point out that Pakistanis have been involved in instances of terrorism but not the act that Pakistanis have also died fighting them in the thousands.



I don't really gives a rats *** about what a common American thinks, the common American is not going to help me in my struggle. I have been attached with CENTCOM and I know how well US is faring.

but why will world buy indian theory and treat pakistan the way india wants them to do ?

why will USA , Afghanistan or any other nation will change its views on pakistan for india ?

well international diplomacy doesnt works like "if your pakistans friend/pratner you have to be indias enemy or vice versa"

world treats you like that deu to your own past mistakes india as an enemy nation of pakistan will take advantage of it ... wont you do the same given a chance against india

so whats your point sirji

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

This is no secret that our enemy is behind TTP / BLA and are causing insurgency in Pakistan.
They have openly admitted it also.

The investigators must be knowing whether the enemy is directly behind the APS incident or not, or they have claimed involvement of the enemy in general.

 

[third eye]

That is because the global outlook is pessimistic and simplistic, people are keen to point out that Pakistanis have been involved in instances of terrorism but not the act that Pakistanis have also died fighting them in the thousands.

Tell me why should it matter to a nation or groups of people who suffer at the hands of terrorists spawned by Pakistan that Pakistan too is suffering form its ill effects ?

Its a problem willingly & short sightedly created by Pakistan in the vain hope that its ill effects would be directed outside its borders only. Even the naivest agencies would know thats such groups have a mind & agenda of their own.

Pak must stop playing the victim card - its seems hollow even to those who use it.

 

[Icarus]

but why will world buy indian theory and treat pakistan the way india wants them to do ? why will USA , Afghanistan or any other nation will change its views on pakistan for india ?

They will buy the Indian narrative because of their politico-economic clout as I have already mentioned as well as the prominence of a diverse Indian diaspora which lobbies in their favour.

well international diplomacy doesnt works like "if your pakistans friend/pratner you have to be indias enemy or vice versa"

I never said we are trying to tick India's friends off or anything to that effect, are you even reading my posts? I merely said its time that Pak FO started being so meek and offered a counter narrative to the Indian commentary on Pakistan's role in the WoT.

world treats you like that deu to your own past mistakes india as an enemy nation of pakistan will take advantage of it ... wont you do the same given a chance against india

I am completely cognizant of that fact which is why I have not said that it is any wrongdoing on India's part.

so whats your point sirji

If you have consistently failed to understand the argument so far, I will gladly spoon feed it to you in points if that's more of something you fancy.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I don't really gives a rats *** about what a common American thinks, the common American is not going to help me in my struggle. I have been attached with CENTCOM and I know how well US is faring.



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this quote needs to be gold plated and then stabbed in the eyes of those who make half arsed comments against Pakistan re its relation with US.

back to topic. I don't know if I should or shouldn't blame Indian intelligence involvement in logistics and planning of the APS attack but we have identified Indian field hospitals that were setup to support the injured TTP terrorists retreating back into Afghanistan after their fightings with our forces. I am referring to the fights in Tirah valley and what our forces recovered from TTP and what our intel gathered across the border recently
even if Indian "mission" is "humanitarian" in nature then the choice of place and "patients" is very peculiar to say the least.


it is high time we start hitting them if they are not designated "diplomatic" missions in the middle of nowhere... this will really sap the TTP war machinery

 

[GURU DUTT]

this quote needs to be gold plated and then stabbed in the eyes of those who make half arsed comments against Pakistan re its relation with US.

back to topic. I don't know if I should or shouldn't blame Indian intelligence involvement in logistics and planning of the APS attack but we have identified Indian field hospitals that were setup to support the injured TTP terrorists retreating back into Afghanistan after their fightings with our forces.

it is high time we start hitting them if they are not designated "diplomatic" missions in the middle of nowhere... this will really sap the TTP war machinery

trust me saeen ji no one can stop TTP other than pakistani society which deu to lack or basic education and health and lack of law and order is forced to buy the propoganda made by extremist idology funded madarsaas in pakistan and later are used as cannon fodder by these madarsaas am i wrong ?