Are Small and Homogeneous States More Prosperous?

[Pappa Alpha]

tell him the name of most diverse and the wealthiest nation on the planet

Also rife with internal problems and relatively poor accountability.

that is what ajeet doval tells Blochis, Sindhis and Pukhtuns

haha, I'm not Doval, I swear.

 

[magra]

Are small and ethnically homogenous states more prosperous as compared to large and diverse states? By prosperity, I mean lower crime rate, less internal tensions, more accountability of leaders and so on.

I have seen lot of people proposing solution of the Kashmir problem and thinking that peace can be achieved after its solution. In my opinion, the only lasting solution for South Asia is balkanization of India and possibly Pakistan into smaller states. This will allow local accountability of each region while denying the corrupt to use ethnic card. This will also eliminate or reduce the threat of spoilers and possibly an EU like organization can emerge.

Feel free to share your opinion on this.

Note that the two nation theory still holds in this case as well:

"That geographically contiguous units are demarcated into regions which should be constituted, with such territorial readjustments as may be necessary that the areas in which the Muslims are numerically in a majority as in the North Western and Eastern Zones of (British) India should be grouped to constitute 'independent states' in which the constituent units should be autonomous and sovereign. "

So why not propose balkanization of China first. If it succeeds, we can try that in the subcontinent.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Well, two nation theory and lack of multiple states in SA are interlinked. I don't think we would even be discussing it had India not existed as a Hindu majority state. It was put in place because of the foresight of Muslim leaders about the possible condition of Muslims in a Hindu ruled country. Also, as I mentioned in my original post, two nation theory and idea of multiple states in SA are not incompatible.

Pakistan ideologically does not acknowledge ancient Indian history. Foundation of India and Indian identity is ancient, unrelated with being a Hindu today. My ancestry was never Hindu, it was Bihari [faith-identity] and Hindustani [Indian]. By faith we were ancient Muslim. India was founded by two groups of people from different origins.

 

[magra]

Pakistan ideologically does not acknowledge ancient Indian history. Foundation of India and Indian identity is ancient, unrelated with being a Hindu today. My ancestry was never Hindu, it was Bihari [faith-identity] and Hindustani [Indian]. By faith we were ancient Muslim. India was founded by two groups of people from different origins.

What do you mean by 'ancient Muslim'?

 

[Maula Jatt]

So why not propose balkanization of China first. If it succeeds, we can try that in the subcontinent.

He is not Chinese and China is largely homogenous- over 90% han who with that power base control rest of China

not the same for SC, no single ethnicity is dominant

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

What do you mean by 'ancient Muslim'?

The Kshatriya Deva/Sharif were Muslim [Monotheist] by faith descending from Prophet Ibrahim and Kethura. Muslim is definition of belief.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

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You may know the Kshatriya Bihari/Vihari blood faith as Sanathan Dharm passed to others through the Brahman Aryan stream. It became corrupted, as Hinduism advocates pantheism. Originally it was Monotheist. We retain the original blood faith.

 

[magra]

You may know the Kshatriya Bihari/Vihari blood faith as Sanathan Dharm passed to others through the Brahman Aryan stream. It became corrupted, as Hinduism advocates pantheism. Originally it was Monotheist. We retain the original blood faith.

I am able to understand what you are actually trying to say.
But regarding Hinduism, you have some misconception. It does not advocate pantheism. It also believe in one God. The only difference is that the one God is manifested in different forms depending on each devotee's preference and occasion.

He is not Chinese and China is largely homogenous- over 90% han who with that power base control rest of China

not the same for SC, no single ethnicity is dominant

Well India was repeated subjugated and colonized in the past when it was balkanized. The only long term security for India is to be united. You can try the model for Pakistan if you want. If it succeeds, we will take that into consideration.

 

[Pappa Alpha]

I am able to understand what you are actually trying to say.
But regarding Hinduism, you have some misconception. It does not advocate pantheism. It also believe in one God. The only difference is that the one God is manifested in different forms depending on each devotee's preference and occasion.

Well India was repeated subjugated and colonized in the past when it was balkanized. The only long term security for India is to be united. You can try the model for Pakistan if you want. If it succeeds, we will take that into consideration.

were these forms predefined from the start or are they added from time to time?

Well India was repeated subjugated and colonized in the past when it was balkanized. The only long term security for India is to be united. You can try the model for Pakistan if you want. If it succeeds, we will take that into consideration.

Indian states are being held back from reaching their true potential due to this "unity". The South would be way better off without being held back from the North.

 

[magra]

were these forms predefined from the start or are they added from time to time?

Hinduism is a constantly evolving and absorbing religion. So these forms have been added from time to time.

Indian states are being held back from reaching their true potential due to this "unity". The South would be way better off without being held back from the North.

That is your thinking or did you do a survey among South Indians?

 

[Pappa Alpha]

That is your thinking or did you do a survey among South Indians?

I didn't conduct a survey but South Indians do seminars on this topic from time to time.

 

[Maula Jatt]

I am able to understand what you are actually trying to say.
But regarding Hinduism, you have some misconception. It does not advocate pantheism. It also believe in one God. The only difference is that the one God is manifested in different forms depending on each devotee's preference and occasion.

Well India was repeated subjugated and colonized in the past when it was balkanized. The only long term security for India is to be united. You can try the model for Pakistan if you want. If it succeeds, we will take that into consideration.

Pak is perfect as it is, same majority religion with barely any minorities and part of the same river system where economies, food productions, navigation, road systems are tailor made for the union (actually parts of Afghanistan also check these checklists) and has been like that for centuries
So I wouldn't change it but make it a little more more decentralized at local levels

2- colonization and subjugation wont happen in our current world except for some northern states near China border, their are no real powers that can truly threaten small states- except if they try to do it themselves
- Pak cant make inroads in non-muslim countries- have seen it time and time again cant happen

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

The only difference is that the one God is manifested in different forms depending on each devotee's preference and occasion.

That is Pantheism. Text book definition of it. Google it. However, in monotheism, God is not associate with anything in the physical world. God is formless and not represented in the material universe except as faith which exists in our heart. Original Vedic teaching.

 

[magra]

I didn't conduct a survey but South Indians do seminars on this topic from time to time.

any link of video of any such seminar

Pak cant make inroads in non-muslim countries- have seen it time and time again cant happen

You tried repeatedly but were deterred due to India's superior conventional strength. If India is balkanized, you may be able to defeat a smaller portion of it.

That is Pantheism. Text book definition of it. Google it. However, in monotheism, God is not associate with anything in the physical world. God is formless and not represented in the material universe except as faith which exists in our heart. Original Vedic teaching.

okay got it. Yes, that pantheism is closer to Hindu philosophy.

 

[Pappa Alpha]

any link of video of any such seminar

Plenty of stuff available on Google regarding this. This isn't a novel idea that I'm proposing, it's been discussed in detail on various forums from media to politicians to independent seminars.