Are Pakistanis Extremist?

[halupridol]

That's your opinion, and i know plenty names they call Indians. Worse than us. Bengalis are the worst off though. Relax it is a turbulent time for us, we were at peace when your minorities were gettin it up the ***. Plenty Indians on the handout and misuse of welfare, south Asians are alike, religion has no play in a backwards mentality.

Everything passes, so will this.

Rest assured we are hypocrites, and take pride in it. Your rant has nothing to do with the thread title btw. It's as if all the pent up anger got an outlet. Though i havent read it all.

agreed,,,but we r not confused

 

[KalaGhoda]

Capitalistic Monster engulfing Muslim country each year, how we can remain untouched out of that situation, Moreover we've something to offer to international muslim community, that makes me Proud of my Country
We Busted Russians in our next Border, we resist back every calamity, last 70 years our biggest concern was Security, Now 40+ NATO are busy in Afghanistan, let us Kicked them out of my country then we resist back again....


You shared very Good link...i will read it later....in free time
One thing i heed about you, you have some special love with Pakistan ....it seemz ur little bit Muslim from Inside (whether u like it or not)
SHAKAL MOMINA - KARTOOOT KAFARAN

i agree with you. but to solve the problem, you have to identify the problem. before that you have to be ready to rectify it. it has to be done. do be grateful that capitalism has come to pakistan. it has leveled the playing field. as a result, you'll see pakistan's sole common factor other than islam, hatred of india...has gone down, why ? free media or whatever...is a side effect to capitalism. people are talking trade today.

so, don't hit the wall. but to be in that cycle, you're doomed.

i do hope you understand what i'm trying to say here.

 

[GURU DUTT]

That's your opinion, and i know plenty names they call Indians. Worse than us. Bengalis are the worst off though. Relax it is a turbulent time for us, we were at peace when your minorities were gettin it up the ***. Plenty Indians on the handout and misuse of welfare, south Asians are alike, religion has no play in a backwards mentality.

Everything passes, so will this.

Rest assured we are hypocrites, and take pride in it. Your rant has nothing to do with the thread title btw. It's as if all the pent up anger got an outlet. Though i havent read it all.

i say you read it dont just be selective or prejudiced and that attitude i guess why a pakistani started this thread in the first place ...Thanks

 

[Secur]

@Secur if a person goes to hajj, is he a broad-minded person?

What sort of a question would that be? What exactly does following the religion, in moderation has to do anything with, what I describe? Unless of course, you attribute it to the religion and consider that as a part of it?

 

[halupridol]

i say you read it dont just be selective or prejudiced and that attitude i guess why a pakistani started this thread in the first place ...Thanks

bhai,,,unko choro,,,,apna dekho,,hum toh sahi ja rahe hae na,,

 

[faisal6309]

Cultures evolve, religions evolve with the time, learning and geographical factors.
Religions is to facilitate and better human society, so if it doesnt evolve it doesnt hold its ground in real situations.
So when people try to apply practices which find hard to be implanted in ground realities, they stand and cross roads, some liberate and some try to bring back the ground reality to a situation that would ensure implementation of there old beliefs and practices. Thus giving rise unwanted and undesired frictions. One should understand all the practices, beliefs and rituals that are followed where developed in completely different era. It might have served its purpose in that era but since the era is evolved / change/gone related changes has to come into implementation of religion.

One must learn from nature, nothing is constant, evolutions and changes is everywhere, be it the course of river or the direction of winds.

Islam is already a moderate religion. Jews don't follow us. Christians do the same. We belive that Yaqoob A.S (Jacob), Eisa A.S (Jesus), Mosa A.S. Haroon A.S. and all other were prophets of Allah.

We got change with time to time with every new prophet.

 

[Secur]

No matter how much you deny this fact or try to put it otherwise to rationalize/make it palatable, its true that a large segment of the Pakistani society is indeed radicalized and extremist, the support and funding for the banned terrorists outfits isn't majorly provided by the foreign elements, it comes from within! From the same donations naive, gullible or extremist people make, to the never ending manpower provided by Madrasas via excess children of mostly poor people, left to be raised by the Mullahs (since the parent's duty is only to bring children to the world) and of course, the God's viceroys are found a plenty in every nook and corner of the country. There is a reason that TTP and other banned outfits have thrived for so long and caused this much damage, there is a reason why our soldiers fighting against them are not termed as "martyrs". There is a reason why Christians and other minorities get their houses burned from a large frenzied gathering of religious nutjobs and nobody does anything and convicted murderers are carried on shoulders and are showered with petals. There is a reason why Mullahs are so dominant in the society and there is a reason why the secular/liberals get their voices either suppressed or silenced. There's a reason why Red Mosque was an operation in which innocents (carrying guns, stockpiling weapons, turning a mosque into a bunker, involved in illegal activities of capturing libraries and kidnapping people and challenging the writ of the state) were mercilessly killed by phosphorus bombs but the Grand Mosque Seizure is more than right. What stops them from causing the sort of damage, from say seen in Iraq, is the strength of the Pakistani institutions, the fact that they aren't organized and equipped and the silent majority that doesn't believe in the insane barbaric ideology of hatred and psychopathy.

What do you mean by following religion in moderation. Can one be moderate when it comes to "faraiz"?

Now tell me a few things, here. Is it obligatory on a Muslim to preach and practice intolerance and hate, push an agenda of barbaric-inhuman and animalistic laws to start the chain reaction of returning back to the stone ages, curb freedom of speech, thought and actions, take up arms against the state, become involved in anti social and anti state activities carry out acts of terror, challenge the writ of the state and make a mockery of its laws, produce children which he isn't able to feed and raise and last but not least, give up his critical and free thinking faculties to the Mullah? There isn't any question left if the answer is no, because I haven't mentioned the "faraiz" anywhere in my post nor spoke on basic tenets.

 

[Viny]

Islam is already a moderate religion. Jews don't follow us. Christians do the same. We belive that Yaqoob A.S (Jacob), Eisa A.S (Jesus), Mosa A.S. Haroon A.S. and all other were prophets of Allah.

We got change with time to time with every new prophet.

Probably thats one reason it survived and grew over the ages, but now we can see people are trying to reverse the process, they are trying implement some of the practices which might have been followed in certain era for safeguarding and moral policing the society in given circumstances, implementing the same and holding up to them without checking out the current situation is causing all the frictions.

Believing in ones God and devoting oneself to HIM is different then forcing everyone to show same level of commitment and devotion, while considering others as enemies if they dont believe in what you believe. I dont say every Muslim is trying to do so, there are many who understands the religion and follows its principle in its essence, while others just try to practice some measures without understanding the essence. This happens in every part of world and almost every religion.

 

[syedali73]

No matter how much you deny this fact or try to put it otherwise to rationalize/make it palatable, its true that a large segment of the Pakistani society is indeed radicalized and extremist, the support and funding for the banned terrorists outfits isn't majorly provided by the foreign elements, it comes from within! From the same donations naive, gullible or extremist people make, to the never ending manpower provided by Madrasas via excess children of mostly poor people, left to be raised by the Mullahs (since the parent's duty is only to bring children to the world) and of course, the God's viceroys are found a plenty in every nook and corner of the country. There is a reason that TTP and other banned outfits have thrived for so long and caused this much damage, there is a reason why our soldiers fighting against them are not termed as "martyrs". There is a reason why Christians and other minorities get their houses burned from a large frenzied gathering of religious nutjobs and nobody does anything and convicted murderers are carried on shoulders and are showered with petals. There is a reason why Mullahs are so dominant in the society and there is a reason why the secular/liberals get their voices either suppressed or silenced. There's a reason why Red Mosque was an operation in which innocents (carrying guns, stockpiling weapons, turning a mosque into a bunker, involved in illegal activities of capturing libraries and kidnapping people and challenging the writ of the state) were mercilessly killed by phosphorus bombs but the Grand Mosque Seizure is more than right. What stops them from causing the sort of damage, from say seen in Iraq, is the strength of the Pakistani institutions, the fact that they aren't organized and equipped and the silent majority that doesn't believe in the insane barbaric ideology of hatred and psychopathy.

I will disagree with this notion because I have not seen this around myself. What I have noticed however, is that people do contribute generously to what we call 'Auqaf', which is a system of running mosques and religious institutions on public donations. This is a centuries old (in fact as old as Islam itself is) system and people contribute to it because they consider this a good deed. People give this money in good faith and not specifically to those who are involved in criminal activities in the name of Jihad etc. Unfortunately, religious institutions have become corrupted, got involved into dirty politics, and started to have their own agenda. This all happened during the unholy Afghan Jihad (I call it fasad), and due to the GoP patronage of these elements to wage proxy wars in Kashmir and Afghanistan. Since the GoP herself got involved in corrupting the religious institutions, there was nobody left to educate Pakistani people to avoid from donating to these corrupt so-called religious elements. Until today, there is no concerted effort to educate masses on not to feed these monsters. There are indeed people like you (you are a Pakistani after all) who are aware of the real face of these criminal elements in the guise of religion, and do not feed them. Simpletons, and a very large percentage of public is always like that, continue to do support them. However, this does not make them accomplice.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

No matter how much you deny this fact or try to put it otherwise to rationalize/make it palatable, its true that a large segment of the Pakistani society is indeed radicalized and extremist, the support and funding for the banned terrorists outfits isn't majorly provided by the foreign elements, it comes from within! From the same donations naive, gullible or extremist people make, to the never ending manpower provided by Madrasas via excess children of mostly poor people, left to be raised by the Mullahs (since the parent's duty is only to bring children to the world) and of course, the God's viceroys are found a plenty in every nook and corner of the country. There is a reason that TTP and other banned outfits have thrived for so long and caused this much damage, there is a reason why our soldiers fighting against them are not termed as "martyrs". There is a reason why Christians and other minorities get their houses burned from a large frenzied gathering of religious nutjobs and nobody does anything and convicted murderers are carried on shoulders and are showered with petals. There is a reason why Mullahs are so dominant in the society and there is a reason why the secular/liberals get their voices either suppressed or silenced. There's a reason why Red Mosque was an operation in which innocents (carrying guns, stockpiling weapons, turning a mosque into a bunker, involved in illegal activities of capturing libraries and kidnapping people and challenging the writ of the state) were mercilessly killed by phosphorus bombs but the Grand Mosque Seizure is more than right. What stops them from causing the sort of damage, from say seen in Iraq, is the strength of the Pakistani institutions, the fact that they aren't organized and equipped and the silent majority that doesn't believe in the insane barbaric ideology of hatred and psychopathy.


Now tell me a few things, here. Is it obligatory on a Muslim to preach and practice intolerance and hate, push an agenda of barbaric-inhuman and animalistic laws to start the chain reaction of returning back to the stone ages, curb freedom of speech, thought and actions, take up arms against the state, become involved in anti social and anti state activities carry out acts of terror, challenge the writ of the state and make a mockery of its laws, produce children which he isn't able to feed and raise and last but not least, give up his critical and free thinking faculties to the Mullah? There isn't any question left if the answer is no, because I haven't mentioned the "faraiz" anywhere in my post nor spoke on basic tenets.

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1.strength of the Pakistani institutions
is one of core of solution to pak current issue..
but
most imp Social problems like,
1.radicalisation of population
2. dominace of mullah culture
3. role of women in society
4. role of govt in governing social and cultural law (to have universal code than wihma and fancy of mulahs )
etc
how it will be tackled?
any mechanisam...
short term and long term solition plan?

No matter how much you deny this fact or try to put it otherwise to rationalize/make it palatable, its true that a large segment of the Pakistani society is indeed radicalized and extremist, the support and funding for the banned terrorists outfits isn't majorly provided by the foreign elements, it comes from within! From the same donations naive, gullible or extremist people make, to the never ending manpower provided by Madrasas via excess children of mostly poor people, left to be raised by the Mullahs (since the parent's duty is only to bring children to the world) and of course, the God's viceroys are found a plenty in every nook and corner of the country. There is a reason that TTP and other banned outfits have thrived for so long and caused this much damage, there is a reason why our soldiers fighting against them are not termed as "martyrs". There is a reason why Christians and other minorities get their houses burned from a large frenzied gathering of religious nutjobs and nobody does anything and convicted murderers are carried on shoulders and are showered with petals. There is a reason why Mullahs are so dominant in the society and there is a reason why the secular/liberals get their voices either suppressed or silenced. There's a reason why Red Mosque was an operation in which innocents (carrying guns, stockpiling weapons, turning a mosque into a bunker, involved in illegal activities of capturing libraries and kidnapping people and challenging the writ of the state) were mercilessly killed by phosphorus bombs but the Grand Mosque Seizure is more than right. What stops them from causing the sort of damage, from say seen in Iraq, is the strength of the Pakistani institutions, the fact that they aren't organized and equipped and the silent majority that doesn't believe in the insane barbaric ideology of hatred and psychopathy.


Now tell me a few things, here. Is it obligatory on a Muslim to preach and practice intolerance and hate, push an agenda of barbaric-inhuman and animalistic laws to start the chain reaction of returning back to the stone ages, curb freedom of speech, thought and actions, take up arms against the state, become involved in anti social and anti state activities carry out acts of terror, challenge the writ of the state and make a mockery of its laws, produce children which he isn't able to feed and raise and last but not least, give up his critical and free thinking faculties to the Mullah? There isn't any question left if the answer is no, because I haven't mentioned the "faraiz" anywhere in my post nor spoke on basic tenets.

----
1.strength of the Pakistani institutions
is one of core of solution to pak current issue..
but
most imp Social problems like,
1.radicalisation of population
2. dominace of mullah culture
3. role of women in society
4. role of govt in governing social and cultural law (to have universal code than wihma and fancy of mulahs )
etc
how it will be tackled?
any mechanisam...
short term and long term solition plan?

 

[Pakistani E]

I am a pure Arab with proven arab ancestry, hence better Muslims than all you musalis.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

I am a pure Arab with proven arab ancestry, hence better Muslims than all you musalis.

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waht is definatin of BETTER MUSLIM ?
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does PUBH said so ? that arabs are PURE muslims?
most of 9/11 bombers were arabs?
OBL was arab?
USA most imp alley is SA.. arab...
what SA did to improve Muslim ummah in world.. other than few petro dolalrs ?
Arabs dont treat other fellow asian msuslim as brothers .. is it as per quran ?
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last 2. small question ..
1. what USA force doin in SA/
2. Will you justify SA royal family behavour as per muslim custom .. who seems to have custodian of sacred place of islam ?
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please do reply

 

[Dubious]

But they claim they are of Arab ancestry! So they have to heed the advice of the Arab mullahs.

Well, you are Hindu ancestor so are you Hindu? Many here on PDF claim to be atheist cant we say the same to them? Anyway I dont want this to be hijacked by Indians about India...

The truth is we have too many unpar jahil to differentiate good from bad...

We also have too many idiots who get sold off by $$

We also have a handful of propagandist who put every shit on the planet under the name of Islam

Then we have a handful of idiots who follow what their parents do (culture/ tradition - 1 such example not giving women rights was very much a common thing in South Asia before Islam - esp in areas ruled by waderay) over what Islam says

Then we have hypocits

Then we have tons of assholes who when cant answer instead of saying they dont know or is not in Islam give their "new" fatwa and put a ruling on something that was never mentioned!

I am a pure Arab with proven arab ancestry, hence better Muslims than all you musalis.

Prophet SAW said that no one is better than the other except in terms of Aamaal...

 

[Pakistani E]

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waht is definatin of BETTER MUSLIM ?
-------------
does PUBH said so ? that arabs are PURE muslims?
most of 9/11 bombers were arabs?
OBL was arab?
USA most imp alley is SA.. arab...
what SA did to improve Muslim ummah in world.. other than few petro dolalrs ?
Arabs dont treat other fellow asian msuslim as brothers .. is it as per quran ?
---
last 2. small question ..
1. what USA force doin in SA/
2. Will you justify SA royal family behavour as per muslim custom .. who seems to have custodian of sacred place of islam ?
--
please do reply

My ancestors received the message of Islam straight from the Prophet Muhammad (saw). Most converts in the subcontinent converted because they wanted to alleviate themselves and join their arab conquerors, they thought this way they would be able to climb the social and economical ladder. This is true, don't deny.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

My ancestors received the message of Islam straight from the Prophet Muhammad (saw). Most converts in the subcontinent converted because they wanted to alleviate themselves and join their arab conquerors, they thought this way they would be able to climb the social and economical ladder. This is true, don't deny.

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my ancestors received the message of Islam straight from the Prophet Muhammad (saw).
yes... you were blessedn and fortunate
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but question is ..
he is not who pray 10 time is follower.. he who implment .. walk on path of god/allah/ bhagwan he is TRUE FOLLOWER..
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my question is does SA royal familty and most affulent arab who control SA follow PUBH path ?
do answer my ther question too

My ancestors received the message of Islam straight from the Prophet Muhammad (saw). Most converts in the subcontinent converted because they wanted to alleviate themselves and join their arab conquerors, they thought this way they would be able to climb the social and economical ladder. This is true, don't deny.

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if my grandfathe was A .Einstine or newton or Gandhi or Jinnah
can i count myself as same greatness jsut becuae my for fathes were g8 ? or
i will called g8 based on MY BEHAVIOUS/ ACHIVMENT ?