Are Pakistani Security forces & Intelligence even capable of dealing with Talibans & other threats??

[M.SAAD]

I know we all love our security forces and intelligence but lets for a moment put love affairs and patriotism aside, and think rationally, i'm by no means in any mood to troll rather being extremely serious here..



Pakistan has been in a turmoil for almost a decade now.. We can't go a month without a savage attack.. What are the security forces and intelligence upto?? Why they have failed miserably to protect the lives of its citizens??


Over 50,000 Pakistanis have died by now, When will this all end?? No body is certain when the next attack will happen.. It can happen anytime, anywhere..

The security forces have FAILED completely to protect us from such threats, I'm having serious doubts about their capabilities to counter such threats..


Why they haven't been able to intercept soo many terrorist attacks which happened??? Why terrorists can Attack and kill people in broad day light and flee from the seen, most have NEVER been caught..

WHY???


When will we admit that our security forces and intelligence are incompetent and of no use and we need to modify or strengthen them to counter such threats??


How much more bloodshed does it need for us to admit it??


Our intelligence itself was involved in training these Taliban outfits and arming them for years, and now they have turned up against Pakistan and we are bearing the fruits of it..

though one thing I don't understand. Lets say RAW is involved. Doesn't that make the PAK army and govt even more responsible and be a source of humiliation and shame that another country can wreak havoc in your country with such consummate ease whereas you stand helpless without being able to do anything



PS: Remember: Denial is the worst form of the truth..

 

[Tipu7]

Don't underestimate the power of our enemy. It exist inside us and powered by Hostile nations We are lucky that we are still in one piece. As far as blood shed goes, its the price which we pay for our mistakes.......... and it will continue as long as we continue our mistakes.

 

[FunkyGen]

Yes i believe this a positive thread, we must look at it from all aspects. Considering how many have died there are failures which is a very soft way of calling it so.

Let us, as future generations, not look down upon our enemy. We must give them a fair answer along with head on challenging them in education, technological, health and sanitation fields.....

 

[Icarus]

Security and Intelligence is a thankless profession, everyone knows your failures but no one knows your successes because if it doesn't bleed, it doesn't lead. If you believe that these attacks have been happening because he security forces are not doing anything, or are not able to do anything in accordance with your argument then you severely underestimate the scale of the problem we have.
After the attack, have you been watching the story develop on social media? There is massive support for the attack from all circles that justify it either as an attack on Shia or those who are completely clueless and consider the Ismaelis to be a branch of Ahmediya and therefore seek to justify any efforts to cull them.
We are living in a country where we have a prospective brigade of these beasts living among us, in our own localities, thousands are arrested and yet millions remain. Its not as much a security failure as it is a social failure.
Then of course there is the little issue being that we are a nation at war, yet we have the laws that seem hell bent on offering civil liberties to the most undesirable elements of society, many of the attackers and facilitators are people who have been produced before courts in the past and have been let off, what more can security agencies do? Killing them without producing them in court also leads to an uproar. In essence, our security apparatus isn't just fighting the terrorists and their sympathizers, it is also fighting the gullibility of our own people who think of this scum as human.

 

[salarsikander]

I know we all love our security forces and intelligence but lets for a moment put love affairs and patriotism aside, and think rationally, i'm by no means in any mood to troll rather being extremely serious here..



Pakistan has been in a turmoil for almost a decade now.. We can't go a month without a savage attack.. What are the security forces and intelligence upto?? Why they have failed miserably to protect the lives of its citizens??


Over 50,000 Pakistanis have died by now, When will this all end?? No body is certain when the next attack will happen.. It can happen anytime, anywhere..

The security forces have FAILED completely to protect us from such threats, I'm having serious doubts about their capabilities to counter such threats..


Why they haven't been able to intercept soo many terrorist attacks which happened??? Why terrorists can Attack and kill people in broad day light and flee from the seen, most have NEVER been caught..

WHY???


When will we admit that our security forces and intelligence are incompetent and of no use and we need to modify or strengthen them to counter such threats??


How much more bloodshed does it need for us to admit it??


Our intelligence itself was involved in training these Taliban outfits and arming them for years, and now they have turned up against Pakistan and we are bearing the fruits of it..

Hi,

The question that you posed, itself display the length of ignorance you have gone to ask it.

Since youre so keen to mention on the attack that the forces were not able to defend, could you please mention the number of attacks that have been thwarted? If not they could have wreak even more havoc. You will never find such data to suggest as such , because it doesn't exist. Learn to appreciate.

Now lets start from the grass root level, We are a nation that is in state of war Something that we dont realize.
Pakistan is a battleground for two different ideologies. One from sick minded Mullah and another from Al saud who thinks that just because Makka and madina happens to be in his captured land he is the legal custodian of that.

Having said that we have die hard supporters of both of these ideologies amidst ourselves, Oh did i forget to mention the Third Ignorant idelogogy? the new mom batti i guess as theyre known, without a single knowledge of religion and national history, these so called liberals have also their opinion to say such as the likes of Jehagnir and mir.

When you say completely (with your ignorance) that would amount to something like total breakdown of law and order, something like jungle land or Somalia land for that matter(no disrespect intended), If that were the case then you wouldnt be able to write this you would be dead by now with vultures all over your carcass.

What we need to admit is the fact that snakes like liberals, extremists mullahs have caused more destruction. What we need to ask oursleves when our boys bleed in scorching heat in the valley of waziristan. How can we allow people like red devil mullah of lal masjid to be accepted as Mullah, Hell the guy was running in Burqa.

Sadly, die hard sheeps are still ready to lay their pathetic life for him, to me him and his supporters are no different.

Secondly, the so called parha likha tabqa that is literate but not educated, You can see them on Tribune blogs. supporting gayism and what not, Listening to Western music bare tryina act like one, and then speaking the very same language against our boys like usually these westerners do.

As long as our nation remain divided on the issue of who the real enemy is we will face these attacks, in time we will emerge even stronger and this nation will endure, for pete sake its just been 60 years or so. Thanks to our neighbour 6 times our size and and unstable neighbour and with another neighbour that suffers from deep inferiority complex issues. I

I believe our boys have done commendable job, Its is very easy to sit back relax and blab about it, but it takes a whole lot of MAN to go out there fight for what you stand for and lay down your life.
When you get anything close to it, then please criticise. Otherwise people will just label you as another attention seeking wh^re.

so now you tell me where do you stand and what can you do for the country? I mean you havent even displayed your flags, yet you have the audacity to criticize my boys! Who have done literally everything to save this nation of ungrateful and hypocritical people.

Both Mullah and liberals for that matter can be easily bought for few hundred K's in dollars

 

[Indus Falcon]

Security and Intelligence is a thankless profession, everyone knows your failures but no one knows your successes because if it doesn't bleed, it doesn't lead.

Bravo very well said.

 

[waleed3601]

It's the state that's become weak.
Our judiciary was weakened and our police never got a chance to develop because of government neglect; all this because of way too much political instability and constant govt transitions from military to democracy and even within democracy elections were held every 3 years in 90s.
No policy continuity, weak institutions are the reasons Pakistan is in so much trouble today.
India started from the bottom and climbed it's way up and look where it is.
In 70s and 80s everything in India was blamed on ISI and today everything in Pakistan is blamed on RAW (true to an extent, but instead of shifting the blame we should work out solutions).
Our security forces are well capable of handling threats but the problem now comes of the police, which in Pakistan is mired with massive corruption and political appointments. No capacity building on govt part has made them no better than security guards who just wear uniform and hold gun in their hand.
But things are changing now as Govt in Punjab and KP have been paying much more attention to Police as compared to Pakistan's entire 65 year history.
You can not hold Army responsible to secure law and order situations in Urban Areas, responsibility of which is of Police.
It's not right.

 

[Providence]

Security and Intelligence is a thankless profession, everyone knows your failures but no one knows your successes because if it doesn't bleed, it doesn't lead. If you believe that these attacks have been happening because he security forces are not doing anything, or are not able to do anything in accordance with your argument then you severely underestimate the scale of the problem we have.
After the attack, have you been watching the story develop on social media? There is massive support for the attack from all circles that justify it either as an attack on Shia or those who are completely clueless and consider the Ismaelis to be a branch of Ahmediya and therefore seek to justify any efforts to cull them.
We are living in a country where we have a prospective brigade of these beasts living among us, in our own localities, thousands are arrested and yet millions remain. Its not as much a security failure as it is a social failure.
Then of course there is the little issue being that we are a nation at war, yet we have the laws that seem hell bent on offering civil liberties to the most undesirable elements of society, many of the attackers and facilitators are people who have been produced before courts in the past and have been let off, what more can security agencies do? Killing them without producing them in court also leads to an uproar. In essence, our security apparatus isn't just fighting the terrorists and their sympathizers, it is also fighting the gullibility of our own people who think of this scum as human.

How about unblemished track record ? Or data trends ? Eg. How many attacks have been on US homeland after 9/11 ?

ZERO !

Totally understand that security is a thankless job but efforts of intangibles can be quantified and given credit over a period of time !

 

[Icarus]

How about unblemished track record ? Or data trends ? Eg. How many attacks have been on US homeland after 9/11 ?

ZERO !

Totally understand that security is a thankless job but efforts of intangibles can be quantified and given credit over a period of time !

That's because the US does not have:

1. A domestic insurgency.
2. A large support base for recruitment.
3. A porous border for terrorists to use.
4. A belligerent neighbour that they must constantly stay locked in a perpetual standoff with.

I cannot begin to deconstruct how shallow your argument is, if you want to calculate the success of the Americans in a similar scenario, picture Iraq and Afghanistan and you will come up with a picture that is far from pretty.

 

[Oruc]

Pak started full fledge ops from 2009-10. Since then every year there are less and less incidents and casualties related to terrorism. If that is a failure than i dont know what success is.

 

[salarsikander]

How about unblemished track record ? Or data trends ? Eg. How many attacks have been on US homeland after 9/11 ?

ZERO !

Totally understand that security is a thankless job but efforts of intangibles can be quantified and given credit over a period of time !

Please lets stop pretending that you're American or white for that matter.
We all know You're indian so just get over with this inferiority complex and move on

 

[vitalsign]

Our nation, our police, our government should stand together to fight against terrorism. Army can't do anything alone. We need to stand with our army and support them.

 

[Providence]

That's because the US does not have:

1. A domestic insurgency.
2. A large support base for recruitment.
3. A porous border for terrorists to use.
4. A belligerent neighbour that they must constantly stay locked in a perpetual standoff with.

I cannot begin to deconstruct how shallow your argument is, if you want to calculate the success of the Americans in a similar scenario, picture Iraq and Afghanistan and you will come up with a picture that is far from pretty.

Your understanding of the argument is also I must say shallow. I didn't say use similar metric to measure pakistani security forces.
The metrics depend on the objectives and job at hand. All I am referring to is things which are considered intangibles when broken down further can be measured and bench-marked.

 

[Areesh]

After the attack, have you been watching the story develop on social media? There is massive support for the attack from all circles that justify it either as an attack on Shia or those who are completely clueless and consider the Ismaelis to be a branch of Ahmediya and therefore seek to justify any efforts to cull them.

I don't know about you but I didn't find anyone supporting this attack. #solidaritywithismailis was top trend today in Pakistan on Twitter.
There may be few scumbags supporting such kind of acts but saying that there is massive support for this attack is a lie. We are not India where people get elected to parliament for their role in communal riots. So please stop presenting false picture of this terror hit nation. They have already suffered a lot. What you said is simply a lie.

 

[Providence]

Please lets stop pretending that you're American or white for that matter.
We all know You're indian so just get over with this inferiority complex and move on

LOL ok !