Are Muslims safe in Europe?

[livingdead]

they are safe in uk... not sure about europe... i wont like to live in france or germany if i was muslim.. even if they pay me...

 

[Gibbs]

On hindsight it's the legacy of successive European left leaning loonies, their open door policies for any third world extremists to enter and run riot over the local populace, They created ethnic ghetto's for their political survival, Created minority block vote bases, Didn't really care who voted for them

Now the masses are retaliating, At most times unfairly, Moderate people turning racists seeing their life and way of life under threat from aliens.. Unfortunately it's the every day Muslim person that have to suffer from this backlash not the radical brain-dead extremists or the politicians that accommodated them

But the Muslim communities arnt doing themselves any favors either, Segregating themselves from the wider community and attracting undue attention.. From being well integrated societies to now what you see of increasing radicalization and "Arabinization", From womens garb to demanding undue legal and religious privileges, All this in the last two decades or so

Both sides need to introspect

 

[Mamluk]

they are safe in uk... not sure about europe... i wont like to live in france or germany if i was muslim.. even if they pay me...

It's not that bad in Germany.

 

[T-Rex]

After all the growing far right popularity, new laws where they take their religious freedom away, the non-stop media dehumisation and so on.

The Nazis also did the same to the Jews by fueling anti-Jewish hate through the media which caused the population to rise against them.

Are Muslims really safe in the future of Europe?

If Muslims still don't get it, they deserve it!

Yes they are. The extreme far-right are still a minority, but how long that stays is questionable. Now the question should also be asked are Europeans safe from some Muslims i.e. terrorist lovers?

If it was only the extreme far right it would not have come to this.

 

[Vergennes]

Europe sucks.

In America, we are chillin Mashallah

Europe seriously needs to learn from America how to integrate communities together. But I know, its hard to be as awesome as us

There's a difference between Europe and new countries like Canada,USA. These countries are immigrant countries and do not have an unified culture that is challenged by alien's. We don't want to become a multiculturalized failure like the US.
We don't want to be like most of the anglo-saxon countries.

A single town in Sweden has accepted more Iraqi refugees than the whole of the US...

Are you talking about Sodertalje ? There was a documentary about Sweden,and they said this city (decades ago) welcomed more iraqis than the US and Canada united.

There's no doubt that United State offers much better environment to Islam and Muslims than European nations--especially such as France etc.

You are blamming the french for having different views about islam after what happened over here ?

No, because the French Navy WAS there .

Psst....

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Well...America doesn't really have a national culture to integrate to.

You may be wrong...

 

[AUz]

There's a difference between Europe and new countries like Canada,USA. These countries are immigrant countries and do not have an unified culture that is challenged by alien's. We don't want to become a multiculturalized failure like the US.

U.S is arguably the greatest, wealthiest, and most power nation-state ever existed in history.

Failure? Sure..

You folks are just racist/bigoted backwards that can not accept anything that's not 'white'...simple!

It's pretty easy for the world to see

We don't want to be like most of the anglo-saxon countries.

Offcourse, most successful culture on Earth isn't to be copied if that culture allows diversity and not white-only countries.

You are blamming the french for having different views about islam after what happened over here ?

I am blaming french for their bigoted, uncultured, and rather childish behavior in terms of oppressing and marginalizing their citizens who aren't "white-enough" for french due to their religion, choices, color, and what have you.

What has bans on Hijab or Burkini has to do with what happened in France? How would forcing Muslim kids to eat pork solve anything?

You folks are just disgusting in your open bigotry and racism.

 

[Vergennes]

@AUz Not allowing customs and behaviors contrary to our values and culture,isn't bigotry or racism.
The muslims are trying to impose their customs and views by using our so called freedom and liberty,they are testing our republic and we have to show them that they will always fail.
They are using our liberty to demand halal lunches,burkinis,veils,shariah courts.... what's next ?

 

[AUz]

@AUz Not allowing customs and behaviors contrary to our values and culture,isn't bigotry or racism.
The muslims are trying to impose their customs and views by using our so called freedom and liberty,they are testing our republic and we have to show them that they will always fail.
They are using our liberty to demand halal lunches,burkinis,veils,shariah courts.... what's next ?

Sorry but are you a fool or you just can not apprehend how utterly stupid your words look to a fellow Westerner (I know u won't agree since I am not white) who was educated in Western education system?

So, what exactly is a "value"? Is is a piece of clothing? Cuisine? lifestyle? No---value system is set of acceptable morals, cultural, and legal norms developed by a populace through centuries of experience.

What is our Western value system? It has evolved to be secular, liberal, democratic---correct? Now if it is indeed the value system shared by our French comrades--then I fail to understand French's inability grasp simple Western concepts.

"Bikini" isn't a Western value (it is a byproduct of our value system). Something like freedom of choice is a Western (and before that, a global) value.

In United States, you can wear a Hijab, pants, shorts, or whatever the hell you want. Clothing is a personal matter, not our "value." Adhering a "value" measurement to clothing style is a quintessential trait of religious, non-secular societies (example Iran or Saudi Arabia).

Freedom of choice lies with the individual and state can not intervene as long as other people aren't empirically getting hurt.

How come wearing a hijab, or burkini on the beach go against "french values" of freedom of choice, neutrality/irreligiosity of state(secularism), and rule of law?

May be your values aren't what we consider our values. French values are probably same old disgusting "values" of white superiority, imperial hegemony, forced cultural homogeneity and rule of state power (not law) whereby everybody is coerced to act, eat, live, behave in a certain way that is acceptable to french white elites and any deviation is labelled as 'threat to republic'..

You think it's hard for an American to cut through french bullsh!t of "values", "threat to Republic", "culture" blah blah blah?

 

[GenerallyKhan]

What has bans on Hijab or Burkini has to do with what happened in France? How would forcing Muslim kids to eat pork solve anything?

You are reading it wrong.

The exercise you, Muslims in the West, are now experiencing is one in which fear or hysteria is manufactured against you and it happens in cycles. It starts by creating 'fake outrages' and then begins the process of politicising every aspect of your life. Be it your religion, ideology, politics, identity, private lives, even your dress code is all prone to 'fake outrage'. Repeat this cycle long enough and you will create a bogeyman.

 

[Boss Dragun]

@AUz Not allowing customs and behaviors contrary to our values and culture,isn't bigotry or racism.
The muslims are trying to impose their customs and views by using our so called freedom and liberty,they are testing our republic and we have to show them that they will always fail.
They are using our liberty to demand halal lunches,burkinis,veils,shariah courts.... what's next ?

pretty sure Europe won't allow the Natives to have the value of their own culture when the Europeeans are in their lands, doing the freedom and liberty of looting. this reflects in modern day where european tourists demanded the local culture to be adapted to their own. i personally saw lots of colonial wannabee europeeans here in bali.

 

[footmarks]

Most part of this suspicion and hatred towards Muslims in some parts of the world is their own doing. Muslims are not doing enough to propagate their own moderate version to the natives. For example, a french person may not be religious, but whatever he/she knows about religion is pretty much only about church, christ and cross. When they start seeing people doing namaz in parks, and when they learn that some of the religious fundamentalism inspired deadly attacks are being carried out by people from same religion, they grow suspicious. It all boils down to 4 reasons:

1. Average native european population, though not religious, is only aware of christianity
2. Average Muslim is deeply religious, perhaps more than any other non-native
3. Whoever is religious and not christian, is a call-out
4. Islamic terrorists does not help to bridge this divide. Nor there is a very potent preacher of moderate and peaceful islam anywhere in the world

 

[livingdead]

It's not that bad in Germany.

dont know... am simply going by media report...

 

[AUz]

dont know... am simply going by media report...

Hijabs are allowed, halal food is part of mainstream, no stupid bans on Mosques or burkinis, acceptance of Muslims as fellow Germans, some states even have classes on Islam in public schools for better integration, and so on and on.

Germany isn't bad at all--especially compared to France.

What media reports are you talking about? Some ultra rightwingers like Pegida means nothing much...

One of my friends (Egyptian) recently went to Germany for summer trip. He told me that on the streets, it looks there are more Muslims than Germans..especially the young girls and guys

However, he said, that in the Mosques--the Islamic community isn't as present as in America--especially the Muslim youth.

Islam has emerged to be the biggest minority in Europe---while others are just too small, insignificant, irrelevant.

Demographic projections by PEW predict that by 2050, countries such as Germany, UK, Sweden, Italy, France, Belgium etc etc will have more than 10% of their populations as Muslims.

There's an unprecedented Islamic visibility across Europe now. You can "feel" the presence of Islam and it's civilization in the heartlands of European continent. Bit unease, suspicion etc is normal--especially considering the bloody history of Europe and Islamic superpowers that invaded, conquered, and ruled vast populations and lands in Europe (and vice versa). So that subconscious mindset of seeing Muslims as "others, enemies, invaders" is there to be exploited by dark politicians for their own self interests.

However, hopefully, as conflicts will die down in Arab World, and the spill over in Europe will fade---Muslims will become normalized/internalized in European psyche.

 

[livingdead]

On hindsight it's the legacy of successive European left leaning loonies, their open door policies for any third world extremists to enter and run riot over the local populace, They created ethnic ghetto's for their political survival, Created minority block vote bases, Didn't really care who voted for them

Now the masses are retaliating, At most times unfairly, Moderate people turning racists seeing their life and way of life under threat from aliens.. Unfortunately it's the every day Muslim person that have to suffer from this backlash not the radical brain-dead extremists or the politicians that accommodated them

But the Muslim communities arnt doing themselves any favors either, Segregating themselves from the wider community and attracting undue attention.. From being well integrated societies to now what you see of increasing radicalization and "Arabinization", From womens garb to demanding undue legal and religious privileges, All this in the last two decades or so

Both sides need to introspect

life in ghettos are always bad... less job opportunity, lacking civic amenities, usually uglier place. why would a first generation migrant want to go to ghetto? well its because in a new alien place you want to be safe and comfortable.
this is not specific to muslims, its for all sorts of migrants. Politicians dont create ghettos, people do, politicians might exploit the situation.