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Ok you have serious misinformation about cultural heritage, language and identity. These things might be related but you don't need them all together to make you who you are. Your identity is whatever you want to show to the world, it's your blank page. Language, well the more of them you know the better, urdu this and urdu that. Qe are a fluid nation, we choose what works for us. First it was Persian then it was urdu, and before all that it was greek. No one is taking your urdu away from you, I like the language too. Arabic is the need of the time, there are more considerations to take into account when I say we should adopt it. Open your eyes look around you, the country is in a state of restructuring, this is the perfect time.Because the Pakistani education system is defunct.
It is the fact that the majority of Pakistanis somehow relate to the Arab history than their own. Most of us claim Arab descent, I mean there are more 'Syeds' in Pakistan than there are probably Arabs in the Middle East, of course I exaggerate but you get the point. Our educational system propagates the same. It even alienates us from our own languages. Urdu is barely studied in schools while all the good universities want nothing to do with it. The ethnic languages are no where to be found. Today, for our youth, Urdu is second class, while the rest are third class.
In short we are a diverse lot who have distinct and unique histories and cultures which anyone would envy. But we are busy claiming to be Arabs, pretending to be Angraiz and ending up just being confused. Case in point,
What the Indians say has nothing to do with it. Nor is it incorrect just because an Indian said it.
Also, please keep the discussion civil.
Ethnic diversity has nothing to do with it. Disowning your own, trying to adopt another's and failing miserably does. Adopting another's while your own heritage is being lost due to idiocy is absolutely unacceptable. Heritage is what defines a nation, builds a people. It is the character of a nation which has been moulded through that nations centuries of specific experiences and history. You cannot transplant cultures and you cannot transplant languages. Foreign cultures and languages that are adopted without organic social mechanisms create massive ruptures in the social fabric. They are tumours which either consume everything or are rejected, leaving the society weaker and in conflict either way. A simple example is that we want our girls to wear tank tops but not our wives. A more serious example is the rigidity of religious thought that was imported from the middle east. Your society did not except it, was not used to it, which led the said rigidity to grow into extremism. You can read hundreds of Sociology papers on the subject.
You really want to learn a new language? Let's start with one of the +75 endemic languages in Pakistan which are all dying a slow death. Hundreds of years of literary history which is soon to go extinct.
Again, please keep the discussion civil. A good rule of thumb is that if you need to misspell it, just don't.
You keep saying that it is without giving any argument as to why. Apart from allowing one to read the Quran without its translation (Which, as mentioned before, is absolutely redundant) Arabic holds no value at all. There are no research papers being churned out in Arabic, you do not need to communicate it with anyone, not even the Arabs. OTOH, having torn away Urdu from our educational system (except in sub-par educational institutes) the only chance for us to acquire modern education is through English.
They are treated worse than the animals they keep for sport.
Now you're just adding more circles to it. Circular arguments are by definition a fallacy.
No it wasn't. I keep showing how it wasn't and you keep not wanting to see it. You keep saying that it was but never how.
Half of modern research on Islam is in English. Half of the Islamic Scholars that have ever been never spoke Arabic. Our religion transcends language and culture. Islam was spread in our part of the world by people who couldn't understand a single word of Arabic.
It is akin to asking a philosophy major to first go learn ancient Greek. It makes no sense.
Again, because it is 1) useless, 2) waste of resources, 3) propagates the confused identity and 4) will further create Islam's 'thekedars'.
You know, by now I'm starting to think that I am wasting my time. You want to learn Arabic? By all means. Go take some classes. I did, for eight years. But if you want the already defunct Pakistani education system to spend further of its non-existent resources on teaching a redundant foreign language because you thought "Why not?" then I'd say you'd best spend those resources on educating our youth on how to reason better.
Exactly. The idea itself is laughable.
I would rather it be anyone of the 75 languages present in Pakistan.
Regarding education system, that needs to be reformed like everything else that was created by ret*rds. From farming to construction, reforms need to take place, for the sake of social growth.
Also your statement about Pakistan having more arabs then middle east. This statement might as well be true considering the immigrants that came here, because issues in the middle east at that time. Also the Americans are more Italian, german, french, then the actual countries. It's about what you want to be.
So Arabic is foreign to you? Next time read the Quran in urdu and perform your daily prayers in urdu. What nonsense are you blabbing on about? Arabic is as foriegn to us as the eyes you see with.Because the Pakistani education system is defunct.
It is the fact that the majority of Pakistanis somehow relate to the Arab history than their own. Most of us claim Arab descent, I mean there are more 'Syeds' in Pakistan than there are probably Arabs in the Middle East, of course I exaggerate but you get the point. Our educational system propagates the same. It even alienates us from our own languages. Urdu is barely studied in schools while all the good universities want nothing to do with it. The ethnic languages are no where to be found. Today, for our youth, Urdu is second class, while the rest are third class.
In short we are a diverse lot who have distinct and unique histories and cultures which anyone would envy. But we are busy claiming to be Arabs, pretending to be Angraiz and ending up just being confused. Case in point,
What the Indians say has nothing to do with it. Nor is it incorrect just because an Indian said it.
Also, please keep the discussion civil.
Ethnic diversity has nothing to do with it. Disowning your own, trying to adopt another's and failing miserably does. Adopting another's while your own heritage is being lost due to idiocy is absolutely unacceptable. Heritage is what defines a nation, builds a people. It is the character of a nation which has been moulded through that nations centuries of specific experiences and history. You cannot transplant cultures and you cannot transplant languages. Foreign cultures and languages that are adopted without organic social mechanisms create massive ruptures in the social fabric. They are tumours which either consume everything or are rejected, leaving the society weaker and in conflict either way. A simple example is that we want our girls to wear tank tops but not our wives. A more serious example is the rigidity of religious thought that was imported from the middle east. Your society did not except it, was not used to it, which led the said rigidity to grow into extremism. You can read hundreds of Sociology papers on the subject.
You really want to learn a new language? Let's start with one of the +75 endemic languages in Pakistan which are all dying a slow death. Hundreds of years of literary history which is soon to go extinct.
Again, please keep the discussion civil. A good rule of thumb is that if you need to misspell it, just don't.
You keep saying that it is without giving any argument as to why. Apart from allowing one to read the Quran without its translation (Which, as mentioned before, is absolutely redundant) Arabic holds no value at all. There are no research papers being churned out in Arabic, you do not need to communicate it with anyone, not even the Arabs. OTOH, having torn away Urdu from our educational system (except in sub-par educational institutes) the only chance for us to acquire modern education is through English.
They are treated worse than the animals they keep for sport.
Now you're just adding more circles to it. Circular arguments are by definition a fallacy.
No it wasn't. I keep showing how it wasn't and you keep not wanting to see it. You keep saying that it was but never how.
Half of modern research on Islam is in English. Half of the Islamic Scholars that have ever been never spoke Arabic. Our religion transcends language and culture. Islam was spread in our part of the world by people who couldn't understand a single word of Arabic.
It is akin to asking a philosophy major to first go learn ancient Greek. It makes no sense.
Again, because it is 1) useless, 2) waste of resources, 3) propagates the confused identity and 4) will further create Islam's 'thekedars'.
You know, by now I'm starting to think that I am wasting my time. You want to learn Arabic? By all means. Go take some classes. I did, for eight years. But if you want the already defunct Pakistani education system to spend further of its non-existent resources on teaching a redundant foreign language because you thought "Why not?" then I'd say you'd best spend those resources on educating our youth on how to reason better.
Exactly. The idea itself is laughable.
I would rather it be anyone of the 75 languages present in Pakistan.