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I find those interesting too but where do you keep up with such developments? I occasionally see some news regarding domestic developments in some nations but most of the news I see is related to political developments. I wish the best for the people of Saudi Arabia, I hope to be able to visit again and spend more time. It is a rather large nation and there is much to do that I couldn't get to. I enjoy the desert scenery and other scenery there as well as would like to see some historical religious sites and learn more about the history.




Nice S class . :D



Okay now this is weird, because when I think Harley Davidson I think this:
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That is exactly how every single Harley rider in the US looks like, so it's very odd seeing an Arab woman riding one of those, lol.



Incorrect, women are worse drivers but men are more reckless. :enjoy:



That's hard to deal with but I can understand locals need some of those jobs until the economy is modernized. Your population needs to increase a bit too. Overall you have a promising future, most of all though I felt like Saudi's had a rich culture as opposed to Emirates for example. I hope you guys retain that going forward, UAE felt too artificial for me if that makes sense. That culture with modernized economy will make for a pleasant place to live in and makes it unique in an age where local culture is losing relevance.

I am reading published scholarly reports about those topics in the Arab and Western media, following Twitter accounts of leading universities in KSA and the Arab world (obviously not all but some of those that have the best rankings worldwide), following Twitter accounts (mainly) of influential people, Twitter accounts such as the "Made in KSA", "Made in Egypt" and otherwise just the media. As far as "grassroots movements", I am looking for public opinions on social media and forums among Arabs and influential thinkers. I follow some popular Islamic scholars to see how they see such topics although most try to keep out of politics and just focus on the religious aspects. Some however do not.

Yes, KSA is a huge country for Arab and Muslim standards. 12th largest in the world. I believe that only Algeria is larger and landlocked Kazakhstan (which has a big Russian minority and which is a typical Soviet Block country in mentality and viewpoints).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_area

Yes, KSA is actually several distinct historical regions (you can call them past countries) that are now united into a large state. Hence the diversity of KSA in terms of geography, history, dialect, cuisine, culture etc. I look at KSA as a blend of all the historical regions of Arabia, Sham and Mesopotamia, Egypt and other influences from around the Muslim world (due to Hajj and Umrah) although with a distinctive culture of its own.

You might find those two threads interesting then;

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saudi-arabia-in-pictures.222471/page-100

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/tour...nities-and-challenges-open-discussion.564089/


Yes, indeed. I wonder if the wife will call the shots now in that marriage?:lol:

LOL. I know what you are thinking about and I have seen those type of people here in Europe as well. The biking lot and culture. Some of them have ties to organized crime but most just have this lifestyle as a hobby.

In KSA it is a rather small "niche culture" for now and mostly a thing among the youth but not only. Some expats (mainly Westerners) also do this. There are clubs in various Saudi Arabian cities where they meet and ride together.



There is a club in Jeddah too;


Yes, that's probably about right. But we could use more careful riders. You know Arab riders and how reckless many of us are. Not to mention the temper at times. It's quite a culture shock whenever you return.:lol:

Yes, the native population will approach 30 million soon and I believe that KSA will one day aim to attract fellow Arabs into the country (when the country becomes even more influential and powerful) due to its religious and historical status as a sanctuary for Arabs. I would personally like to see that as I am not too obsessed about modern-day states as I prefer to look at shared millennial old history, ethnic ties, tribal ties, cultural, linguistic, religious, geographic etc. Basically our past, present and future as Arabs are tied especially the Arabs in the Middle East (Arabia, Egypt, Sham and Iraq). The past 100 years in terms of people movements etc. have been an anomaly. Until recently it was easier for the average Saudi Arabian to visit London than relatives in Iraq for example. It should not be like that.

Obviously we also need to solve the Palestinian conflict which I consider as the key conflict but also as the most complicated ones for various reasons that we both know. I believe that more needs to be done and sacrificed as if one part of the body is sick, it can and often will impact the healthy parts. The Arab Spring comes to mind.

UAE outside of Dubai and Abu Dhabi is actually a quite rich country and quite diverse for its size.

Case in point;


Emirates such as Fujairah and Sharjah are more authentic than Dubai although that city has its charm too occasionally and obviously people in the world are fans seeing that it is one of the most visited cities in the world (top 5 if I am not wrong).

As for the migrants, before the oil boom in the 1970's, Saudi Arabians (natives) were doing every job on their own without a problem. Due to the oil boom an ENORMOUS building boom occurred seen in very few places in history (maybe comparable to economic booms in the US decades ago and China recently) and since KSA's population was rather small back then and not as educated as today (naturally), cheap manual labour from abroad was imported as well as specialists, mainly from the West. Then the year 1979 happened and the Sahwa movement started and this created an abnormal and unnatural culture in KSA (largely) that the country is now slowly escaping (thankfully) and returning to the old and normal. It will take a few more years but a lot is going in the right direction.

And honestly, 2/3's (at least) of all the expats currently in KSA are not necessary and locals could take over here and now. Saudi Arabians on average are more educated than the vast majority of Muslims. Most people have higher degrees. Especially the youth that make up 70% of the population. Structural changes are needed (which are being changed as we speak) so well-educated natives, especially women (hence the ambition to increase the women workforce) do not walk around unemployed or are forced to go abroad. Many stories of now successful engineers, doctors, teachers leaving for the West or even other Arab countries and succeeding due to being given a chance. It should not be like that. KSA does not owe any expats anything. It should be the priority of every state to care for its people (citizens) first and foremost. However it would impact the economy negatively on the short run (negatively) but on the long run it would be better.

Personally too, although I am not a xenophobe, I will never hide or be ashamed of the fact, that I would prefer to only mostly welcome fellow Arabs (millions are already here) over anyone else and only if very necessary, foreigners whether they are Westerners or others. That too (if they want citizenship), they should embrace KSA and not see it as a piggy bank. Tiny countries (population wise) such as the smaller GCC states, have a different reality, so they do things differently but KSA should not look at them and emulate them. Besides KSA is not tiny Qatar (350.000 natives) that all are millionaires. We have almost 30 million native mouths to feed on a territory the size of half of Europe. Many people have their struggles too and it does not help that they cannot get jobs due to employees and firms preferring cheaper foreign labour. A bit like how Eastern Europeans screwed up the job market on many fronts in Western Europe and lowered the pay, forcing many locals out of their business. Similar story in the US with the illegal migration although the US is a different beast for many reasons (330 million people to begin with, lol). My 2 cents about this issue.

Let's not forget future technology that will replace most manual jobs not far from now. Quicker than most people imagine.

EDIT: Salah should have scored there. Arab teams have no luck so far. I told people (fellow Arabs in real life) that Russia is not a bad team. They are proving it again. Home teams are always strong and Russia do not have bad players at all. A very strong collective and hosts always play with an extra gear (see South Korea in 2002 as the best example of a underdog reaching the semifinals - with great referee help but whatever, Putin has done his part in this regard most likely too, lol)
 
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@Saif al-Arab

Yep, this just went to hell in the second half. I'm not blaming Salah, he has too much pressure in his first game back. Russia is doing better attacking and Egypt seems to be struggling to attack. Although two of the goals IMO shouldn't have happened. I guess I'll support Germany if no Arab team makes it. I don't know much about soccer so maybe I'll change my mind, lol.

It's hard to tell who has the better team just by observation. This sport seems to rely on coincidence more so on offensive end. Defensive end I can tell some teams have better schemes than others.

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Why Salah is so excited after scoring thru a plenaty when Egypt is losing comfortably

Egypt game was below average in the first half. They got lucky that they didn't conceded any goal in the first half else it was another fiver for Russians.
 
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@Saif al-Arab

Yep, this just went to hell in the second half. I'm not blaming Salah, he has too much pressure in his first game back. Russia is doing better attacking and Egypt seems to be struggling to attack. Although two of the goals IMO shouldn't have happened. I guess I'll support Germany if no Arab team makes it. I don't know much about soccer so maybe I'll change my mind, lol.

It's hard to tell who has the better team just by observation. This sport seems to rely on coincidence more so on offensive end. Defensive end I can tell some teams have better schemes than others.

Salah just returned so he is a bit rusty. Not his fault at all. It's just typical Arab teams. Individually our players are great technical players, quick, strong (largely) but mentally (as a unite) we are very far from the best. KSA clearly did not take Russia as seriously as they should after barely losing against Germany and Italy (two very strong historical European teams) 2-1 in friendlies days before the Russia game. After the first pathetic mistake by Al-Braik (falling over his own feet and gifting the first goal to Russia) the mentality of the players just went to ****. Arguing, lack of focus, blame game etc. So mentality and defensive organization is something that Arab teams struggle with.

North African teams (Egypt not including there as it is has much more in common with the Middle East IMO and they too do not have a large diaspora in Europe to take players from like the Maghreb have) have the luxury of being able to play Moroccans, Algerians and Tunisians born in countries like France and the Benelux who were not good enough there. Players born in Europe with a European football education. If I am not wrong, most of Moroccos team (90%) were born abroad but all of Moroccan ancestry. KSA and Egypt do not have that "luxury" really.

It's interesting because some of the biggest football starts in Europe (club football) are originally from the Arab world. Zidane says hello for instance. Benzema and many other players.

Penalty to Egypt after a VAR review. Salah scored.:yahoo:

Well, I will support Spain and France although I don't believe that either will win. My favorite is Brazil.

BTW, Germany has Sami Khedira so there is that connection and 20 years from now they will hopefully have a few Syrian origin Salahs and Zidanes playing.:lol:

BTW I am a quite big football fan (mostly club football and Spanish football) so I know quite a lot which is why I admire Qatar's take on their Aspire academy work and that of the UAE. KSA (thanks to our useless FA) are sleeping as usual. Turki al-Sheikh is more busy clapping the shoulders of people.:lol:


3 new managers in 12 months. Loaning out 6-7 of the best players to Spanish teams in January thinking that they will receive a lot of playing time in the middle of a season.

#TurkiAlsheikLOGIC

@Saif al-Arab

Yep, this just went to hell in the second half. I'm not blaming Salah, he has too much pressure in his first game back. Russia is doing better attacking and Egypt seems to be struggling to attack. Although two of the goals IMO shouldn't have happened. I guess I'll support Germany if no Arab team makes it. I don't know much about soccer so maybe I'll change my mind, lol.

It's hard to tell who has the better team just by observation. This sport seems to rely on coincidence more so on offensive end. Defensive end I can tell some teams have better schemes than others.

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LOL :


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GOAAALLL by SALAH

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Why Salah is so excited after scoring thru a plenty when Egypt is losing comfortably

Egypt game was below average in the first half. They got lucky that they didn't conceded any goal in the first half else it was another fiver for Russians.

He didn't seem excited to me but he gave life back to Egypt for now. Egypt seemed mostly struggling on offense and made some mistakes on defense but they need time for improved team chemistry imo.

Salah just returned so he is a bit rusty. Not his fault at all. It's just typical Arab teams. Individually our players are great technical players, quick, strong (largely) but mentally (as a unite) we are very far from the best. KSA clearly did not take Russia as seriously as they should after barely losing against Germany and Italy (two very strong historical European teams) 2-1 in friendlies days before the Russia game. After the first pathetic mistake by Al-Braik (falling over his own feet and gifting the first goal to Russia) the mentality of the players just went to ****. Arguing, lack of focus, blame game etc. So mentality and defensive organization is something that Arab teams struggle with.

North African teams (Egypt not including there as it is has much more in common with the Middle East IMO and they too do not have a large diaspora in Europe to take players from like the Maghreb have) have the luxury of being able to play Moroccans, Algerians and Tunisians born in countries like France and the Benelux who were not good enough there. Players born in Europe with a European football education. If I am not wrong, most of Moroccos team (90%) were born abroad but all of Moroccan ancestry. KSA and Egypt do not have that "luxury" really.

It's interesting because some of the biggest football starts in Europe (club football) are originally from the Arab world. Zidane says hello for instance. Benzema and many other players.

Penalty to Egypt after a VAR review. Salah scored.:yahoo:

Well, I will support Spain and France although I don't believe that either will win. My favorite is Brazil.

BTW, Germany has Sami Khedira so there is that connection.:lol:

I feel like Salah needs some more time to adjust to the team, other players on Egypt has some decent looks as well. You're right though Russia seems like a decent team so far, I didn't expect that as well. Hopefully Saudi Arabia bounces back tomorrow, I'm gonna watch that game as well.

Also I don't know any players on Germany, I just find them to be pretty impressive even with that loss to Mexico. :lol:
 
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He didn't seem excited to me but he gave life back to Egypt for now. Egypt seemed mostly struggling on offense and made some mistakes on defense but they need time for improved team chemistry imo.



I feel like Salah needs some more time to adjust to the team, other players on Egypt has some decent looks as well. You're right though Russia seems like a decent team so far, I didn't expect that as well. Hopefully Saudi Arabia bounces back tomorrow, I'm gonna watch that game as well.

Also I don't know any players on Germany, I just find them to be pretty impressive even with that loss to Mexico. :lol:

Egypt finishing has been terrible. Clearly missing quality and skills anyways for now they will be the first team not to qualify for the second round.
 
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Why Salah is so excited after scoring thru a plenaty when Egypt is losing comfortably

Egypt game was below average in the first half. They got lucky that they didn't conceded any goal in the first half else it was another fiver for Russians.

I just watched first half ( my wife want to see movie !!! ) .... Egypt was playing with fear ....
Iran doesn't have enough capable players and Arabs don't have confident ( except Tunesia ) ...
Russians were lucky that 2 of their first game were against Arab nations ....

and we are facing Spain tomorrow which is worry some ...
 
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He didn't seem excited to me but he gave life back to Egypt for now. Egypt seemed mostly struggling on offense and made some mistakes on defense but they need time for improved team chemistry imo.



I feel like Salah needs some more time to adjust to the team, other players on Egypt has some decent looks as well. You're right though Russia seems like a decent team so far, I didn't expect that as well. Hopefully Saudi Arabia bounces back tomorrow, I'm gonna watch that game as well.

Also I don't know any players on Germany, I just find them to be pretty impressive even with that loss to Mexico. :lol:

Our only chance tomorrow against a heavyweight like Uruguay (2 times world champion, record number of Copa América victories - even more than Argentina and Brazil) is to play as destructive as certain other teams in this World Cup have been doing. The problem is that this type of tactic is not in the Saudi Arabian football DNA. The current team selection is also a wrong one if you want to play that type of game. Against Russia KSA played with what is really only 2 central defenders, 1 defensive midfielder and freaking 2 offensive WING-BACKS. Suicide with that pathetic mentality. 62% of the possession in that game but it matters shit when you concede 3 goals in the last 15 minutes of the game (2 in 2 minutes or what it was, forgot it) and run less than 38 year old slow Russian defenders. Do yourself a favor and don't watch it. I am honestly not bothering.

Did you read Al-Sheikh's comments after the game and the sanctions that were given to a few players haha. Comedy. Typical Arab federations.

Man, I was barely born, but I miss the team in the 1990's. Competing with the giants of the game. Confederations Cup final (barely losing to Argentina - very close game), advancing to the Round of 16 and scoring some of the greatest goals in World Cup history. Mentality strong players. Underdogs. Not pampered "so-called" stars with delusions because they are among the best in Asia and always play better technically. You can have less talent but if you don't work hard and have a pathetic weak mentality, you will achieve less than a lesser talented but strong closely-knitted unit.

And a good preparation for tomorrow;


Can't make this up.
 
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Arabs in General... do not wish to win... Or at least...do not want to win with" Commitment"...
Having Good players...Having good Coach... Is useless if you do not "Commit" till the End with whatever you have...

Those match is actually the Mirror of the Arab society... "We want it...with no Effort..no sacrifice..."
 
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I just watched first half ( my wife want to see movie !!! ) .... Egypt was playing with fear ....
Iran doesn't have enough capable players and Arabs don't have confident ( except Tunesia ) ...
Russians were lucky that 2 of their first game were against Arab nations ....

and we are facing Spain tomorrow which worry some ...

Just some? :d anyways Best of luck for that game. At least Middle Eastern teams did qualify for the WC, we South Asians are too occupied with cricket.
 
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Just some? :d anyways Best of luck for that game. At least Middle Eastern teams did qualify for the WC, we South Asians are too occupied with cricket.

we lowered our exception for the match .... although , as far as we only take 3 goals , it just fine ... although if we are lucky , we can beat them ....
 
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Arabs in General... do not wish to win... Or at least...do not want to win with" Commitment"...
Having Good players...Having good Coach... Is useless if you do not "Commit" till the End with whatever you have...

Those match is actually the Mirror of the Arab society... "We want it...with no Effort..no sacrifice..."

Hard to disagree with. I have been saying this for years. The pampering, devotion and praise that Arab teams and players receive do not help either. This results in delusions of grandeur and a lack of effort. I can't speak for all Arab federations but what is going on in UAE and Qatar (thanks to the connections with Qatari and Emirati owned PSG and Manchester City) is what is needed. Steps are being taken in KSA too.

What I can't understand is that Arab youth teams don't have this disease that the senior teams have.

In 1989 KSA's U-16 football team won the World Cup.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_FIFA_U-16_World_Championship

Journalists from abroad were quick to proclaim many players as future stars of the games. That U-17 team defeated nations whose youth players later became football stars. What happened? Well, what you described and other issues.

At least you guys in the Maghreb have the luxury of being able to use footballers born in Europe with a European football education from day one. Just take a look at the number of Moroccan footballers born in Europe and also Tunisian ones. Hence why you guys usually perform better (at least in terms of tactics) better but still not reaching the potential. Still only a Round of 16 as the best result as KSA back in 1994 for instance. If anyone is going to break the curse in the near future, it is you guys but I see the same problems with local football federations and mentality as with other Arab countries. Sad.

If I remember correctly only KSA, Algeria and Morocco have managed to reach the Round of 16 in a World Cup. However Arab teams have no problem dominating African and Asian football (national teams and club football teams too). Very strange. I know that the competition in football is the greatest of all sports, especially a World Cup, but we should have done much better IMO. Historically and currently.
 
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Flouket Misr ghargouha les Russes...:fans:....
Shortest lived Arab participation in a any CM..The kingdom of doom and Scheherazade kingdom will follow the MSARWAS tomorrow...
The Egyptians will be smart to forfeit the last game and go back to Cairo otherwise they will be oredered and forced by Sissi to concede the game to Al Sauds..
 
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Hard to disagree with. I have been saying this for years. The pampering, devotion and praise that Arab teams and players receive do not help either. This results in delusions of grandeur and a lack of effort. I can't speak for all Arab federations but what is going on in UAE and Qatar (thanks to the connections with Qatari and Emirati owned PSG and Manchester City) is what is needed. Steps are being taken in KSA too.

What I can't understand is that Arab youth teams don't have this disease that the senior teams have.

In 1989 KSA's U-16 football team won the World Cup.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_FIFA_U-16_World_Championship

Journalists from abroad were quick to proclaim many players as future stars of the games. That U-17 team defeated nations whose youth players later became football stars. What happened? Well, what you described and other issues.

At least you guys in the Maghreb have the luxury of being able to use footballers born in Europe with a European football education from day one. Just take a look at the number of Moroccan footballers born in Europe and also Tunisian ones. Hence why you guys usually perform better (at least in terms of tactics) better but still not reaching the potential. Still only a Round of 16 as the best result as KSA back in 1994 for instance. If anyone is going to break the curse in the near future, it is you guys but I see the same problems with local football federations and mentality as with other Arab countries. Sad.

If I remember correctly only KSA, Algeria and Morocco have managed to reach the Round of 16 in a World Cup. However Arab teams have no problem dominating African and Asian football (national teams and club football teams too). Very strange. I know that the competition in football is the greatest of all sports, especially a World Cup, but we should have done much better IMO. Historically and currently.

It's not about where you were trained . It's Educational.
Arab Maghrebi Education in general lack to add "Commitment" in it. They behave like if they had a backdoor or a home to come back... "No worry son, Mommy is Here" and It's anchored mostly into the "Boys" Education... Something you see less among Girls.
In case of TN per exemple, Our Women are like mad dogs... When she bite, she doesn't let go... I will give my entire fortune to keep to a Woman, that I just meant, than Giving it to a Man I know personally... and it's the same throughout the Maghreb region.

It's Rooted in us.... unfortunately.
 
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Arabs in General... do not wish to win... Or at least...do not want to win with" Commitment"...
Having Good players...Having good Coach... Is useless if you do not "Commit" till the End with whatever you have...

Those match is actually the Mirror of the Arab society... "We want it...with no Effort..no sacrifice..."

To me it seems like Arabs get scared of white people. It's more mental than anything else. :lol:
 
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