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[Falcon29]

Bro, watch this below 42.00 minutes into the video until 45.30.

While I always disagreed with this in theory I have become more convinced. MB should not be seen as a threat or enemy but rather as a potential ally. Here I am talking about the non-hostile branches, not those that necessarily want to gain power in every single Arab country by all means. Branches that could be constructive partners. However in general a revaluation between Arab monarchies and MB as a political party and movement should start. It is unnecessarily dividing Arab societies. If both can be included and play a constructive role (remains to be seen) and not see each other as a threat but rather as a potential partner, that would be much more preferable. How to do this in practice I do not know.

What is your take on this? I believe that we need to discuss this as a people and as societies. I believe that Arab monarchies (those that are not constitutional) should become constitutional and thus give rise to political parties.

However it is a complicated thing as this can fragment societies. Look at the system in Kuwait where political parties are allowed. This has made the government much less efficient due to political consensus often being difficult to reach. We see similar things in Iraq. Corruption is also sky-high despite democracy on paper.

I am not necessarily convinced that the democracy that we see in the West (not a perfect system either) is the best for our societies and the Arab world today.

I don't think the MB or those who identify with their thought process exist in an organized political fashion. They are mostly what you could say are thought activists who envision certain things. The obvious being the Islamic revivalism aspect in the Arab world. As far as political parties I don't think they threaten Gulf monarchies, but post 2013 Egypt, the character assassination between both media centers went through the sky. However the dispute seems to be mostly in rhetoric, albeit powerful. On the ground it's not like everyone is at each others throats. With the exception of like Libya, but that is more deep than just MB vs Haftar.

So really there is opportunity for reapproachment, and it is talked about by political analysts of both sides of equation all the time, especially recently. On ground there is hesitation. So regarding the theory, I believe if Saudi Arabia could lead that effort or organization or whatever you want to call it, it could be very beneficial and influential since Saudi Arabia is more of an Islamic country than others, and for us Arabs , Islam brings us together. And many people aspire for a moderate Islam and some leadership to look up to. And I think this can be done without MB threatening political establishment of any country, just like it has played out in Qatar. We are need in of political resolution desperately. In some countries the situation is so desperate you have to put aside economic aspirations for now, and focus on political achievements and rebuilding.

I believe this guy is exiled, correct? I have read some news about him lately. I don't know if MBS is taking heed of the discussions or not. Nevertheless the khilaaf is exaggerated. MB really is socio-economic philosophy, religious wise it is different in every country. Where I'm from we are Shafiee(although I don't pay attention to that and I don't really care about school of thought, I can recognize the way of the predecessors and all school of thoughts are okay), and the Islam is original Sunni Islam which honestly is very similar if not completely the same to Islam in Saudi Arabia. Difference is sociopolitical approach.

And yes we are pros at being corrupt so we can exploit any system, democracy is not what we need right now. Monarchies are fine if they are willing to absorb some political criticism and they have to be open to leading the region and absorbing the social movements that share a lot in common with their identity/beliefs/etc.... So I believe MB doesn't need to involve in politics everywhere but can play a social movement role. Also they can tone down aspirations of full on Islamic society, a time will come where people are ready for that but not now. Monarchies can take care of that aspect. People are pretty conservative anyway.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

I don't think the MB or those who identify with their thought process exist in an organized political fashion. They are mostly what you could say are thought activists who envision certain things. The obvious being the Islamic revivalism aspect in the Arab world. As far as political parties I don't think they threaten Gulf monarchies, but post 2013 Egypt, the character assassination between both media centers went through the sky. However the dispute seems to be mostly in rhetoric, albeit powerful. On the ground it's not like everyone is at each others throats. With the exception of like Libya, but that is more deep than just MB vs Haftar.

So really there is opportunity for reapproachment, and it is talked about by political analysts of both sides of equation all the time, especially recently. On ground there is hesitation. So regarding the theory, I believe if Saudi Arabia could lead that effort or organization or whatever you want to call it, it could be very beneficial and influential since Saudi Arabia is more of an Islamic country than others, and for us Arabs , Islam brings us together. And many people aspire for a moderate Islam and some leadership to look up to. And I think this can be done without MB threatening political establishment of any country, just like it has played out in Qatar. We are need in of political resolution desperately. In some countries the situation is so desperate you have to put aside economic aspirations for now, and focus on political achievements and rebuilding.

I believe this guy is exiled, correct? I have read some news about him lately. I don't know if MBS is taking heed of the discussions or not. Nevertheless the khilaaf is exaggerated. MB really is socio-economic philosophy, religious wise it is different in every country. Where I'm from we are Shafiee(although I don't pay attention to that and I don't really care about school of thought, I can recognize the way of the predecessors and all school of thoughts are okay), and the Islam is original Sunni Islam which honestly is very similar if not completely the same to Islam in Saudi Arabia. Difference is sociopolitical approach.

And yes we are pros at being corrupt so we can exploit any system, democracy is not what we need right now. Monarchies are fine if they are willing to absorb some political criticism and they have to be open to leading the region and absorbing the social movements that share a lot in common with their identity/beliefs/etc.... So I believe MB doesn't need to involve in politics everywhere but can play a social movement role. Also they can tone down aspirations of full on Islamic society, a time will come where people are ready for that but not now. Monarchies can take care of that aspect. People are pretty conservative anyway.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I don't think the MB or those who identify with their thought process exist in an organized political fashion. They are mostly what you could say are thought activists who envision certain things. The obvious being the Islamic revivalism aspect in the Arab world. As far as political parties I don't think they threaten Gulf monarchies, but post 2013 Egypt, the character assassination between both media centers went through the sky. However the dispute seems to be mostly in rhetoric, albeit powerful. On the ground it's not like everyone is at each others throats. With the exception of like Libya, but that is more deep than just MB vs Haftar.

So really there is opportunity for reapproachment, and it is talked about by political analysts of both sides of equation all the time, especially recently. On ground there is hesitation. So regarding the theory, I believe if Saudi Arabia could lead that effort or organization or whatever you want to call it, it could be very beneficial and influential since Saudi Arabia is more of an Islamic country than others, and for us Arabs , Islam brings us together. And many people aspire for a moderate Islam and some leadership to look up to. And I think this can be done without MB threatening political establishment of any country, just like it has played out in Qatar. We are need in of political resolution desperately. In some countries the situation is so desperate you have to put aside economic aspirations for now, and focus on political achievements and rebuilding.

I believe this guy is exiled, correct? I have read some news about him lately. I don't know if MBS is taking heed of the discussions or not. Nevertheless the khilaaf is exaggerated. MB really is socio-economic philosophy, religious wise it is different in every country. Where I'm from we are Shafiee(although I don't pay attention to that and I don't really care about school of thought, I can recognize the way of the predecessors and all school of thoughts are okay), and the Islam is original Sunni Islam which honestly is very similar if not completely the same to Islam in Saudi Arabia. Difference is sociopolitical approach.

And yes we are pros at being corrupt so we can exploit any system, democracy is not what we need right now. Monarchies are fine if they are willing to absorb some political criticism and they have to be open to leading the region and absorbing the social movements that share a lot in common with their identity/beliefs/etc.... So I believe MB doesn't need to involve in politics everywhere but can play a social movement role. Also they can tone down aspirations of full on Islamic society, a time will come where people are ready for that but not now. Monarchies can take care of that aspect. People are pretty conservative anyway.

I totally agree. We need Qatar to be on the same path again. This current division is ridiculous and serves no purpose. I don't understand it any longer or the goal of it. Clearly the US does not support the status quo either seeing them expanding the Al-Ubeid base.

I am starting to believe that we should not exclude anybody even those that hurt society. Let people realize (those that support/vote for such groups) that they are in the wrong. I believe that most will be capable of this.

The key, once again, should be self-sufficiency and I believe that the smaller GCC states are a liability here due to them looking for assurance from Western states against their own people and neighbors (for instance the much larger KSA). I see no need for UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Oman etc. to have a US presence, UK presence and French presence. I believe that they can share military bases with such countries (which are influential and non-hostile for now - although the US/West has done a lot of harm in the region) but they should not be permanent.

I believe, emotions and personal opinions aside, that dialogue (real constructive one) is necessary. Unfortunately I don't see that happening in public but maybe it happens closed off from the public which I do not understand either. Such topics should be discussed openly. Sure, they are that openly but more of it is necessary.

 

[Falcon29]

I totally agree. We need Qatar to be on the same path again. This current division is ridiculous and serves no purpose. I don't understand it any longer or the goal of it. Clearly the US does not support the status quo either seeing them expanding the Al-Ubeid base.

I am starting to believe that we should not exclude anybody even those that hurt society. Let people realize (those that support/vote for such groups) that they are in the wrong. I believe that most will be capable of this.

The key, once again, should be self-sufficiency and I believe that the smaller GCC states are a liability here due to them looking for assurance from Western states against their own people and neighbors (for instance the much larger KSA). I see no need for UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Oman etc. to have a US presence, UK presence and French presence. I believe that they can share military bases with such countries (which are influential and non-hostile for now - although the US/West has done a lot of harm in the region) but they should not be permanent.

I believe, emotions and personal opinions aside, that dialogue (real constructive one) is necessary. Unfortunately I don't see that happening in public but maybe it happens closed off from the public which I do not understand either. Such topics should be discussed openly. Sure, they are that openly but more of it is necessary.

Everyone is in the wrong if we are looking at overall context, we don't need to pin blame on anyone but instead bring about rapprochement process and do it soon. As long as you're not breaking the law, you aren't necessarily wrong just different. Those that belong to extremist groups however who break the law, of course. I don't care about groups or movements, I don't like exclusivism of any kind. Realistically find what everyone has in common on capitalize on that and hold it to higher regard than differences. Europeans, Americans, Israeli's do it pretty well.

 

[Mugwop]

Why does @Sharif al-Hijaz keep getting banned?

 

[Solomon2]

...And yes we are pros at being corrupt so we can exploit any system, democracy is not what we need right now. Monarchies are fine if they are willing to absorb some political criticism and they have to be open to leading the region and absorbing the social movements that share a lot in common with their identity/beliefs/etc...

You want "enlightened despots" to rule and impose a social order and advance a belief system that the majority won't otherwise support?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Why does @Sharif al-Hijaz keep getting banned?

Some ridiculous reasons. 99,99% of the time it is due to replying to trolls in a language that they understand.

You want "enlightened despots" to rule and impose a social order and advance a belief system that the majority won't otherwise support?

That's a very strange comment. Interesting how you managed to spin it in such a way.

Everyone is in the wrong if we are looking at overall context, we don't need to pin blame on anyone but instead bring about rapprochement process and do it soon. As long as you're not breaking the law, you aren't necessarily wrong just different. Those that belong to extremist groups however who break the law, of course. I don't care about groups or movements, I don't like exclusivism of any kind. Realistically find what everyone has in common on capitalize on that and hold it to higher regard than differences. Europeans, Americans, Israeli's do it pretty well.

Pretty much my philosophy currently as well. We might have our own particular ideas as individuals but we should always look at the greater good and capitalize on what people have in common (which is much more than what they do not have in common).

My initial point was merely that this hostility (if we can even call it that) is unnecessary and that a political solution should be sought. Dialogue is the answer to this. I also draw the line at non-self defense violence.

 

[Gomig-21]

Why does @Sharif al-Hijaz keep getting banned?

IKR? Between him and @The SC , the Arab & Middle East sections (and then some) would hardly be worth anything. What the two of them bring is irreplaceable.

BACK FROM THE DEAD GUYS!

Enta fenak ya 3amo?

 

[Mugwop]

Some ridiculous reasons. 99,99% of the time it is due to replying to trolls in a language that they understand.



That's a very strange comment. Interesting how you managed to spin it in such a way.



Pretty much my philosophy currently as well. We might have our own particular ideas as individuals but we should always look at the greater good and capitalize on what people have in common (which is much more than what they do not have in common).

My initial point was merely that this hostility (if we can even call it that) is unnecessary and that a political solution should be sought. Dialogue is the answer to this. I also draw the line at non-self defense violence.

I surely hope that those trolls get banned too

IKR? Between him and @The SC , the Arab & Middle East sections (and then some) would hardly be worth anything. What the two of them bring is irreplaceable.



Enta fenak ya 3amo?

I agree

 

[Saif al-Arab]

IKR? Between him and @The SC , the Arab & Middle East sections (and then some) would hardly be worth anything. What the two of them bring is irreplaceable.



Enta fenak ya 3amo?

That's being too kind brother. I told you this in the past as well.

I surely hope that those trolls get banned too


I agree

Sometimes (or more often than not, lol) telling the truth gets you banned on PDF. Or being trapped by suicide trolls, as I like to call them. A moderator reading, will most of the time not take a look at where and how it began but the 2-3 most recent posts. All my bans have come from engaging with those suicide trolls. Mostly due to their ignorant barking against KSA, Arab states and Arabs in general. Don't regret anything and will continue to deal with them if necessary by speaking the truth and countering their nonsense with facts on the ground whether historical or current-day ones.

 

[Aramagedon]

@Sharif al-Hijaz any idea ?

 

[Ceylal]

IKR? Between him and @The SC , the Arab & Middle East sections (and then some) would hardly be worth anything. What the two of them bring is irreplaceable.

It’s all lies...nothing is factual...but the Sawt el Arab, like you , relishes in manure...

 

[Ceylal]

Finally, the Saudi stadiums will be uplifted with the sent of real parfume...and something beautiful to look at...A big departure from camels and their urine aroma..

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Finally, the Saudi stadiums will be uplifted with the sent of real parfume...and something beautiful to look at...A big departure from camels and their urine aroma..

You should take your medicine bro. How are you "invisible" stateless Kurds doing in Iraq after the recent trashing? Still remember your nonsense comments from 2014.

Admit what? How can you hate somebody that you don't even freaking know? And Can you say that I hate arabs, when we share blood and culture... For a supposed learned individual, you are really lacking in social skills. Sometimes, you act like an imbecile..and you are showing it here...

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/9-11-the-rothschild-zionist-connection.295272/page-2

Your schizophrenic behavior and division won't work and is not working in real life. We are brothers and sisters and always will be.

@Sharif al-Hijaz any idea ?

Iraqi Arabic music in the background. I don't recognize this particular dance. It looks like some made up dance for the fun of it. Clips from series (TV series). Not a traditional dance. You should remember that there are 1000's of dances just in historical regions within each Arab country. Each clan, tribe, city, village, town etc. (historically) used to have their own dances, traditions, folklore etc. Our folklore is very rich due to this reason.

Many of those dances are shared across the borders.

A few examples;

Exact same hair dance is found in neighboring Iraq and Sham.

Another dance found in those regions;

Read the descriptions of the two videos and comments.

Not to forget the famous dabke (native to Sham and Northern KSA):

2.3 million views.

2.8 million views (lol)

 

[Ceylal]

You should take your medicine bro. How are you "invisible" stateless Kurds doing in Iraq after the recent trashing? Still remember your nonsense comments from 2014.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/9-11-the-rothschild-zionist-connection.295272/page-2

Your schizophrenic behavior and division won't work and is not working in real life. We are brothers and sisters and always will be.



Iraqi Arabic music in the background. I don't recognize this particular dance. It looks like some made up dance for the fun of it. Clips from series (TV series). Not a traditional dance. You should remember that there are 1000's of dances just in historical regions within each Arab country. Each clan, tribe, city, village, town etc. (historically) used to have their own dances, traditions, folklore etc. Our folklore is very rich due to this reason.

Many of those dances are shared across the borders.

A few examples;

Exact same hair dance is found in neighboring Iraq and Sham.

Another dance found in those regions;

Read the descriptions of the two videos and comments.

Not to forget the famous dabke (native to Sham and Northern KSA):

2.3 million views.

2.8 million views (lol)

AREN’T YOU BANNED? Who needs médecine ?