Arab League chief pushes for closer ties with Iran

[Abu Zolfiqar]

wow you're a peace of work

i have my moments

Millions of Armenians were systematically killed and driven off by the turks, have a little respect by at least not questioning it! Don't tell me that the holocaust was a lie as well.

No I don't think the holocaust is a lie.

I dont think the killings of Armenians was genocide per se. Many Turks were also being killed --especially during the time of Russian campaign to fight Ottomans. The Armenians supported the Russians against Ottomans; so obviously many were targetted for the betrayal

Many people argue that Armenian people were not even indigenous to the land; they were brought to Caucasus region by Russian czar Peter I --though this is disputed and i dont know much about it

Turks today would do the same to the kurds if they could

the only time they do military operations is when they are fired upon or discover positions of PKK rebels; isnt that justified?

Or do you not believe PKK is a terrorist organization?

Do you think the Kurds are traitors and they should be killed as well? They don't like turkey one bit.

its wrong to generalize. PKK doesnt represent Kurds; same way BLA or Jundollah doesnt represent Baluch peoples.

by the way, Iran is in the same position as Turkiye. Both countries have problems with some number of Kurdish nationalist rebels....in Turkiye its PKK, in Iran its PJAK. So both countries should work together to put an end to this menace.

 

[Peregrine]

lets clarify a few things first
There are arabs and then there are saudis. Before Islam we were treating them like garbage and they always had a grudge against "the ajams." After Islam they did the same to us.This has been going back and forth for thousands of years. Today they are trying to change the name of the Persian Gulf to ****ian gulf!!
Our relation with these new fake countries like Bahrain etc... are not real, it's out of need that we deal with each other. Also I say again, our government is an Arab government. Our people don't want anything to do with the arabs. Now lets get to your examples.
1) yeah so what? Libya was helping us out against it's arab brother Iraq during the 8 year war. It doesn't mean jack. And Algeria is in Africa. They didn't have to deal with the back and forth historical bull **** that Iran and the arab countries in the ME have gone through.
2) Bahrain is an Iranian Island. It was only 3 decades ago that Bahrain got independence. Half of Bahrain can speak Persian and have Persian blood, they're also Shia.
3) LOL Why do you think that is? Maliki and his crew practically lived the second half of their lives in Iran while Saddam kicked them out. They're also shia. Wait till a sunni govt takes charge of Iraq and you will see how much they hate us. Sunni Iraqis hate Iranians more than Saudis and all other countries on the planet combined. And most shia Iraqis , while friendly with shia Iran, are nationalistic towards their arab identity and country. They still view us as "ajams."
4) 20 million? are you serious? A few years ago an Iranian guy here in West Vancouver bought a house for 15 mil. You're working against yourself with such examples.
5) Kuwait is worried about the Bushehr reactor and they should be. In the case of a melt down they will be affected more than most Iranian cities b/c of the winds in the region. They need assurances and for that they have to establish ties. Plus Iran is becoming stronger in the region and they need to talk. And how does this mean Iranian people and the arab people like each other?
6) and? Military and economic agreement doesn't mean friendship between people. Our regime does w/ever the heck it wants. It will establish ties with the devil if it sees fit. We're a dictatorship not a democracy.
7) the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Iran is arming the Taliban today. Do we like them?
8) Good for Oman, but that still doesn't mean the avg arab and the avg Iranian like each other. And oman is a shia country not sunni, that explains a lot.
9) lmao
THAT WAS THE DUMBEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD
What you said was this. Iran's reformist govt at the time was trying to establish friendly ties with the kingdom but failed and the usual bs took over.
Last month the Islamic solidarity games were canceled because Saudi Arabia didn't agree with Iran writing Persian gulf on the medals.
Saudi Arabia will allow the Americans and the Israelis to bomb Iran and use its air space.
Saudi Arabia condemns Iran regarding its treatment of sunnis on a regular basis and Iran responds in kind times 10000.
Iranian pilgrims are treated like **** during haj.
Iran provides arms and training for shia rebels in the arabian peninsula.
The saudis do the same with anti Iran groups.
I can go on and oooooooooooooooooooooon
10) you answered your self lol
11) did you even understand what I said originally? I said we (Persians) and them (arabs) don't like each other based on cultural, historical and religious differences. I didn't say we want to exterminate each other did I? I'm saying that Iran will NEVER IN A MILLION light years have a BROTHERLY relations ship with an arab state. It will always be out of need and necessity.
12) same thing. You don't really understand what I'm saying.
It's need that drives us to Dubai. Where would Iran get its stuff if it wasn't for Dubai? NEARLY ALL electronics that come to Iran come through the ports in Dubai. All contatcs made between Iranian and western companies is done through dubai. Iran is disconnected from the Western world but with Dubai things are a little easier. NEED isn't the same as friendship. Tomorrow Iran might have its sanctions removed and the regime could topple. We could have a nationalist leader like ataturk and be fighting UAE in a few decades. You say me and you don't establish what govts do and that's correct, but you're looking at it in the short term. I'm looking at it in the long term. Iran and the arab world will only move further and further with time.

Hi,
if u still cant understand this then its upto you, u have admitted yourself that there is an interdependence between UAE and Iran and it is because of this factor that countries don't go to wars or even confront each other, this is the same case with India and China, due to economic interdependence and integration countries have a lot more to gain. If Saudi's and Iranian are cooperating in some field it shows their potential to come closer in future, and it doesn't matter if an individual or a faction disapproves of it or not

 

[Cheetah786]

Turkish people love Pakistanis - the country and the people.

I am Talking about Turks Going against Iran in favor of Arabs where did i question the love of Turks for Pakistan or its people.

 

[Cheetah786]

i think the iranian racism is very high, arabs in general are not so racist, i think, its the iranian racism more than the arab nationalism that is keeping the two neighbors apart.

I suggest you should talk to Pakistanis Indian and Bangladeshis living in Arab countries and find out if Arabs are racist or not you are in for a surpriseofl

 

[Nima]

Hi,
if u still cant understand this then its upto you, u have admitted yourself that there is an interdependence between UAE and Iran and it is because of this factor that countries don't go to wars or even confront each other, this is the same case with India and China, due to economic interdependence and integration countries have a lot more to gain. If Saudi's and Iranian are cooperating in some field it shows their potential to come closer in future, and it doesn't matter if an individual or a faction disapproves of it or not

I understand exactly what you mean and you're correct 100%
BUT this won't last!
The minute things change, and by change I mean a change of system in either country, things will go back to normal. If the Iranian govt decides to go back to its extremist ways of the 80's and call for revolutions in muslim countries and around the world like they used to then things will get worse. If Iran becomes a secular democracy then you can bet your *** things will get worse. Iranian people and arab people don't like each other one bit. You will never in a million years see a Saudi and Iranian become friends!!!!
Then there is another issue. There can always be only one power. It's either IRan or Saudi Arabia which means, shia vs sunni, Persian vs arab, arabian gulf vs persian gulf etc etc... and things like this will also bring back historical grudges which only fuel the fire There will always be conflict.

 

[Nima]

i have my moments



No I don't think the holocaust is a lie.

I dont think the killings of Armenians was genocide per se. Many Turks were also being killed --especially during the time of Russian campaign to fight Ottomans. The Armenians supported the Russians against Ottomans; so obviously many were targetted for the betrayal

Many people argue that Armenian people were not even indigenous to the land; they were brought to Caucasus region by Russian czar Peter I --though this is disputed and i dont know much about it



the only time they do military operations is when they are fired upon or discover positions of PKK rebels; isnt that justified?

Or do you not believe PKK is a terrorist organization?




its wrong to generalize. PKK doesnt represent Kurds; same way BLA or Jundollah doesnt represent Baluch peoples.

by the way, Iran is in the same position as Turkiye. Both countries have problems with some number of Kurdish nationalist rebels....in Turkiye its PKK, in Iran its PJAK. So both countries should work together to put an end to this menace.

Iran doesn't have the problems of Turkey. Iran has a tough time with Pjac but that's just an EXTREME minority of the kurdish population of Iran. The kurds in Iran have it much better than Turkey. In turkey they CAN'T EVEN CELEBRATE THEIR NEW YEAR!!! How fucked up is that? Also Turkey has 20 million plus kurds and that makes the kurds there more powerful and therefore over time separatist thinking has grown among them. In Iran there is like only 7 mill kurds and they're much more scattered then Turkey and this coupled with the fact that they are Iranic people (cyrus the great, the father of Persia, was a median, and the medes are ancestors of kurds) means that there is absolutely no resentment towards the Persian and Turkish population. In Turkey most Kurds want to separate from Turkey.

And as I said, when they can't even celebrate their new year then you can be sure that Turks wouldn't waste a second trying to exterminate them if they could.

btw, why do you think the Armenians were siding with Russia? These turks came and stole their land. Also they took a chunk of Iran too. How is this any different to Israel vs Palestine? Palestinians have it MUCH better actually.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Iran doesn't have the problems of Turkey. Iran has a tough time with Pjac but that's just an EXTREME minority of the kurdish population of Iran. The kurds in Iran have it much better than Turkey.

the Arabs in Turkiye have it much better than the ones in Iran. It works both ways.

In turkey they CAN'T EVEN CELEBRATE THEIR NEW YEAR!!!

Kords in Turkiye are Turkish, not Iranian. Even with that said, I have seen Kords and Alevis celebrate Novrooz. So I'm confused by your statement

Also Turkey has 20 million plus kurds and that makes the kurds there more powerful and therefore over time separatist thinking has grown among them.

if you look at ground realities, the terrorist campaigns against innocent civilians has waned. Things were much worse in late 1970s to early 1990s.

I think Kords are now well integrated there; AKP government took steps also to dialogue with them. I think PKK is terrorist organization, in fact I remember when one of their bombs blew up outside my apartment in Istanbul. They target civilians using suicide bombers (whom they threaten unless they carry out acts)

where's the honour in that?

In Turkey most Kurds want to separate from Turkey.

there is no truth in that statement

And as I said, when they can't even celebrate their new year then you can be sure that Turks wouldn't waste a second trying to exterminate them if they could.

those who DO want to seperate should be exterminated

btw, why do you think the Armenians were siding with Russia? These turks came and stole their land. Also they took a chunk of Iran too. How is this any different to Israel vs Palestine? Palestinians have it MUCH better actually.

So Turks control Armenian electricity? water supply? They go and bomb Armenia on daily basis?


DUDE!!! It was around the end of the Ottoman empire, in and around World War I. Every-bloody-body was getting killed! Not just the armenians....

Turks were militarily superior. They won the cake.

 

[Ahmad]

I lived in Turkiye for almost 3 years. I never encountered a single Turk who was racist. As far as I was concerned, I had no problems at all. In fact, they love Pakistan and Pakistanis a lot. The Kurdish issue exists only because of PKK which is a terrorist organization. Turkiye was smart; they did away with ethnic-centricism. Ataturk created a Turkish identity -- even if there were Kurds, Lors, Azari Turks, Tatars, Hazaras, etc.

Turkey has got the most racist policies against their own people(the kurds), even the term Kurd is considered as "K" word, they might not be racist to other nationalities, but kurds are facing a real and systematic hardship in Turkey. Every country is composed of more than one ethnic group including pakistan. Suppose if Panjabis who make up the majority of Pakistani population suppresed other ethnic groups, what would have happened then? Uprising and brother killing brother, but as far as we see pakistan is the most fair and successful country when it comes to its ethnicities and ethnic based policies.


Insulting Turkishness (Article 301) is a crime in Turkey. I respect that. They are a proud proud nation. It's hard anyways to meet a Turk who insults his/her country; they love it too much.

This is what even the present gov is recognizing the issue of Article 301 and see it as unfair. This article is the base for a long term prejudice and injustice against the kurdish population in Turkey. By the way, everybody loves his/her country, dont you love your own country? Dont I love my country? have we every insluted our countires?


by the way, if Turks were racist and/or looked down on Iranians -- then why is Turkish Prime Minister supporting Iran's position on her quest to achieve uranium enrichment?

Present gov of turkey is the only gov in its modern history which is getting credit for being less ethnic based gov and that is probably because it is an islamic party.


p.s. Arab League is a JOKE. So is the OIC. Toothless organizations where sweets, words, and gifts are exchanged. They have no clout, and hardly any leverage. Could have, but they dont.

Quite right.

 

[oceanx]

p.s. Arab League is a JOKE. So is the OIC. Toothless organizations where sweets, words, and gifts are exchanged. They have no clout, and hardly any leverage. Could have, but they dont.

Quite right.

The so-called Arab League notwithstanding, the OIC is not exactly without pull. Its on-stage or behind-the-scene machinations may not get regular full press. But like everything else in this world, its role seems to be "evolving" ...

Just in 2009, the OIC did the following:

It appointed an "envoy to Kashmir" (how it was received was a separate issue).

It condemned "Armenian Aggression".

And it was reported that it "held China accountable".​

Toothless? Perhaps. But then what sharp molars has the UN got? Cloutless? That's increasingly debatable when viewed from the outside.

I am actually watching it with a bit of interest ...