Arab League chief pushes for closer ties with Iran

[FreekiN]

lol do you honestly believe that?
No arab country and Iran WILL EVER be close. Even today when we're under an Arab government our relations are bad! Once the Islamic republic era is over things will even get worse.

I heard that Iran has good relations with Syria.

Is that true or just randomness?

 

[Nima]

I heard that Iran has good relations with Syria.

Is that true or just randomness?

Our Islamic government has good relations with Syria yes but that's more of a necessary relation for both parties much like Iran's relation with hamas etc... In the Iran-Iraq war there were THOUSANDS and thousands of Palestinians fighting in the front lines for the Iraqis!!! Even today they cuss and badmouth Iran and either call Iranians ajam fire worshipers or kafir shias etc...
WE SHARE NOTHING with them except Islam and even there we're divided (shia, sunni). Iran is moving towards secularism and nationalism and this will make things even worse.

 

[Peregrine]

lol do you honestly believe that?
No arab country and Iran WILL EVER be close. Even today when we're under an Arab government our relations are bad! Once the Islamic republic era is over things will even get worse.

hi,
hahah i guess this was your magic mirror talking which is also known as TV, however what u said was purely a subjective judgment only time will tell, if there is any possibility of Arab & Iranians unity, But under the present circumstances Saudi's are aware if Iran is any threat to them or not and clearly Iran is no threat to Saudi's

 

[TheEnrichedOne]

hummmmmmm.....
why are you so sure?
My grandfather was a qashqai (turkish speaking tribe) and also since I'm Iranian I know a thing or two about them. They're one of the most racist people on the planet. For example in Turkey insulting "turkishness" is a crime and you can be put into prison! Some of them really believe that they're more physically superior than their neighbors (kurds, Persians, Armenians etc...) and what's funny is that they're no different than these groups except that they speak Turkish!
If I've learned one thing about Turks is that they only love one group of people and that's themselves.

They hate Arabs, Iranians, British, and everybody else but they love Pakistanis. Ask anybody on here.

 

[Peregrine]

subjective lmao
We Parsis and the Arabs have been fighting for more than 3000 years! What the hell are you talking about?
And I never said we're threatening them or are a threat to them and vise versa. I'm just saying that we will never be close b/c our people hate each other.

Hi,
here is some thing which might go against your 3000 years old fighting between Iran and Arabs
1.In the recent 2006 UN vote on Iran's nuclear programme, Algeria abstained from voting ( I WONDER WHY THEY DID THIS)
2.Iran and Bahrain are beginning to enjoy closer relations again and have engaged in many joint economic ventures.
3.Since the fall of Saddam Hussein Iran was the first country in the middle east to establish full diplomatic relations with the new Iraq government. President Ahmadinejad has visited Baghdad, and on numerous occasions the Iraqi leadership has visited Tehran
4.According to figures from Jordan's Central Bank, "trade between Jordan and Iran reached $20 million in 2001, up some 46 percent on the previous year's $13.7 million."
On September 2 and 3, 2003, King Abdullah II visited Tehran, making him the first Jordanian king to visit "Tehran since the launching of the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979"
5.n February 2006, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad vistied Kuwait opening a new chapter in relations between the two countries. The well reported visit was the first to Kuwait by a high-ranking Iranian official in 27 years
6.Lebanon President visited Tehran in 2008 and the signed a military and economic agreement between the two countries.
7.Libya broke rank with most of the Arab states when it came out in support of Iran during the Iran–Iraq War.
8.During the Iran–Iraq War Oman remained neutral, preferring to take no sides. This allowed it to be in the position to attempt to bring Iran and Iraq into a negotiated settlement after the war in 1994.
Since then peaceful ties have continued and expanded
9.In 2001, Iran and Saudi Arabia signed a "major security accord to combat , drug trafficking and organized crime".
In 2008, the Saudi King Abdullah invited former Iranian President Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani to visit Saudi Arabia for the purpose of attending an Islamic conference. Rafsanji responded by saying that the opportunity was a way "Iran and Saudi Arabia can resolve differences in the Muslim world."
10.Iran and Syria have had a strategic alliance ever since, based partially on their common animosity towards Saddam Hussein.
11.On February 27, 1980, Iran gave formal recognition to the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic as the legitimate government of all Western Sahara. They have continued their support for the Polisario Front ever since
12.Iranian investors have a wide presence in the UAE accounting for 10 percent of the Arab country’s population. Based on recent statistics nearly 400,000 Iranians live in the UAE running 10,000 small business firms.Trade between Dubai and Iran tripled to $12 billion from 2005 to 2009

I guess this would make things a little clear, you and i don't determine the relations between states it is the governments, & in international relations there are no permanent friends or enemies.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

hummmmmmm.....
why are you so sure?
My grandfather was a qashqai (turkish speaking tribe) and also since I'm Iranian I know a thing or two about them. They're one of the most racist people on the planet. For example in Turkey insulting "turkishness" is a crime and you can be put into prison! Some of them really believe that they're more physically superior than their neighbors (kurds, Persians, Armenians etc...) and what's funny is that they're no different than these groups except that they speak Turkish!
If I've learned one thing about Turks is that they only love one group of people and that's themselves.

bro with all due respect, Turks are not as racist as pro-Shahi Iranians. My father grew up in Masshad Iran in 1960s; in those days, Turkiye was a pretty backwards country compared to Iran. Iranians used to call the Turks "Tork e Khar" .....

I lived in Turkiye for almost 3 years. I never encountered a single Turk who was racist. As far as I was concerned, I had no problems at all. In fact, they love Pakistan and Pakistanis a lot. The Kurdish issue exists only because of PKK which is a terrorist organization. Turkiye was smart; they did away with ethnic-centricism. Ataturk created a Turkish identity -- even if there were Kurds, Lors, Azari Turks, Tatars, Hazaras, etc.

Insulting Turkishness (Article 301) is a crime in Turkey. I respect that. They are a proud proud nation. It's hard anyways to meet a Turk who insults his/her country; they love it too much.



by the way, if Turks were racist and/or looked down on Iranians -- then why is Turkish Prime Minister supporting Iran's position on her quest to achieve uranium enrichment?











p.s. Arab League is a JOKE. So is the OIC. Toothless organizations where sweets, words, and gifts are exchanged. They have no clout, and hardly any leverage. Could have, but they dont.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

subjective lmao
We Parsis and the Arabs have been fighting for more than 3000 years! .........

I'm just saying that we will never be close b/c our people hate each other.

It appears faith failed (or rather people failed certain aspects of the faith)

those enmities are centuries old. Isnt it time to just move on?


In all honesty, I dont blame the Iranians. The Arabs collectively were hostile towards Iran ---especially as Saddam was planning the long war with Iran (even Kuwait).

But there comes a point in time where you need to let go of these old rivalries; man up; and realize that divisions based on ethnicity or even sect are unhealthy and disastrous.

 

[Nima]

Hi,
here is some thing which might go against your 3000 years old fighting between Iran and Arabs
1.In the recent 2006 UN vote on Iran's nuclear programme, Algeria abstained from voting ( I WONDER WHY THEY DID THIS)
2.Iran and Bahrain are beginning to enjoy closer relations again and have engaged in many joint economic ventures.
3.Since the fall of Saddam Hussein Iran was the first country in the middle east to establish full diplomatic relations with the new Iraq government. President Ahmadinejad has visited Baghdad, and on numerous occasions the Iraqi leadership has visited Tehran
4.According to figures from Jordan's Central Bank, "trade between Jordan and Iran reached $20 million in 2001, up some 46 percent on the previous year's $13.7 million."
On September 2 and 3, 2003, King Abdullah II visited Tehran, making him the first Jordanian king to visit "Tehran since the launching of the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979"
5.n February 2006, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad vistied Kuwait opening a new chapter in relations between the two countries. The well reported visit was the first to Kuwait by a high-ranking Iranian official in 27 years
6.Lebanon President visited Tehran in 2008 and the signed a military and economic agreement between the two countries.
7.Libya broke rank with most of the Arab states when it came out in support of Iran during the Iran–Iraq War.
8.During the Iran–Iraq War Oman remained neutral, preferring to take no sides. This allowed it to be in the position to attempt to bring Iran and Iraq into a negotiated settlement after the war in 1994.
Since then peaceful ties have continued and expanded
9.In 2001, Iran and Saudi Arabia signed a "major security accord to combat , drug trafficking and organized crime".
In 2008, the Saudi King Abdullah invited former Iranian President Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani to visit Saudi Arabia for the purpose of attending an Islamic conference. Rafsanji responded by saying that the opportunity was a way "Iran and Saudi Arabia can resolve differences in the Muslim world."
10.Iran and Syria have had a strategic alliance ever since, based partially on their common animosity towards Saddam Hussein.
11.On February 27, 1980, Iran gave formal recognition to the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic as the legitimate government of all Western Sahara. They have continued their support for the Polisario Front ever since
12.Iranian investors have a wide presence in the UAE accounting for 10 percent of the Arab country’s population. Based on recent statistics nearly 400,000 Iranians live in the UAE running 10,000 small business firms.Trade between Dubai and Iran tripled to $12 billion from 2005 to 2009

I guess this would make things a little clear, you and i don't determine the relations between states it is the governments, & in international relations there are no permanent friends or enemies.

lets clarify a few things first
There are arabs and then there are saudis. Before Islam we were treating them like garbage and they always had a grudge against "the ajams." After Islam they did the same to us.This has been going back and forth for thousands of years. Today they are trying to change the name of the Persian Gulf to ****ian gulf!!
Our relation with these new fake countries like Bahrain etc... are not real, it's out of need that we deal with each other. Also I say again, our government is an Arab government. Our people don't want anything to do with the arabs. Now lets get to your examples.
1) yeah so what? Libya was helping us out against it's arab brother Iraq during the 8 year war. It doesn't mean jack. And Algeria is in Africa. They didn't have to deal with the back and forth historical bull **** that Iran and the arab countries in the ME have gone through.
2) Bahrain is an Iranian Island. It was only 3 decades ago that Bahrain got independence. Half of Bahrain can speak Persian and have Persian blood, they're also Shia.
3) LOL Why do you think that is? Maliki and his crew practically lived the second half of their lives in Iran while Saddam kicked them out. They're also shia. Wait till a sunni govt takes charge of Iraq and you will see how much they hate us. Sunni Iraqis hate Iranians more than Saudis and all other countries on the planet combined. And most shia Iraqis , while friendly with shia Iran, are nationalistic towards their arab identity and country. They still view us as "ajams."
4) 20 million? are you serious? A few years ago an Iranian guy here in West Vancouver bought a house for 15 mil. You're working against yourself with such examples.
5) Kuwait is worried about the Bushehr reactor and they should be. In the case of a melt down they will be affected more than most Iranian cities b/c of the winds in the region. They need assurances and for that they have to establish ties. Plus Iran is becoming stronger in the region and they need to talk. And how does this mean Iranian people and the arab people like each other?
6) and? Military and economic agreement doesn't mean friendship between people. Our regime does w/ever the heck it wants. It will establish ties with the devil if it sees fit. We're a dictatorship not a democracy.
7) the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Iran is arming the Taliban today. Do we like them?
8) Good for Oman, but that still doesn't mean the avg arab and the avg Iranian like each other. And oman is a shia country not sunni, that explains a lot.
9) lmao
THAT WAS THE DUMBEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD
What you said was this. Iran's reformist govt at the time was trying to establish friendly ties with the kingdom but failed and the usual bs took over.
Last month the Islamic solidarity games were canceled because Saudi Arabia didn't agree with Iran writing Persian gulf on the medals.
Saudi Arabia will allow the Americans and the Israelis to bomb Iran and use its air space.
Saudi Arabia condemns Iran regarding its treatment of sunnis on a regular basis and Iran responds in kind times 10000.
Iranian pilgrims are treated like **** during haj.
Iran provides arms and training for shia rebels in the arabian peninsula.
The saudis do the same with anti Iran groups.
I can go on and oooooooooooooooooooooon
10) you answered your self lol
11) did you even understand what I said originally? I said we (Persians) and them (arabs) don't like each other based on cultural, historical and religious differences. I didn't say we want to exterminate each other did I? I'm saying that Iran will NEVER IN A MILLION light years have a BROTHERLY relations ship with an arab state. It will always be out of need and necessity.
12) same thing. You don't really understand what I'm saying.
It's need that drives us to Dubai. Where would Iran get its stuff if it wasn't for Dubai? NEARLY ALL electronics that come to Iran come through the ports in Dubai. All contatcs made between Iranian and western companies is done through dubai. Iran is disconnected from the Western world but with Dubai things are a little easier. NEED isn't the same as friendship. Tomorrow Iran might have its sanctions removed and the regime could topple. We could have a nationalist leader like ataturk and be fighting UAE in a few decades. You say me and you don't establish what govts do and that's correct, but you're looking at it in the short term. I'm looking at it in the long term. Iran and the arab world will only move further and further with time.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I heard that Iran has good relations with Syria.

Is that true or just randomness?

Extremely close. Economic and military.

Also logistically. Iran arms Lubnany Hezbollah Militia via Syria.

Iran was annoyed though by recent initiatives taken by Syria to cool down tensions with israel and U.S. --most of which stem via Syria's position on (occupied) Golan heights.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Nima Jan, Nima Jan!!!

Aroom bash, lotfan!!



(calm down bro!)

 

[Nima]

bro with all due respect, Turks are not as racist as pro-Shahi Iranians. My father grew up in Masshad Iran in 1960s; in those days, Turkiye was a pretty backwards country compared to Iran. Iranians used to call the Turks "Tork e Khar" .....

I lived in Turkiye for almost 3 years. I never encountered a single Turk who was racist. As far as I was concerned, I had no problems at all. In fact, they love Pakistan and Pakistanis a lot. The Kurdish issue exists only because of PKK which is a terrorist organization. Turkiye was smart; they did away with ethnic-centricism. Ataturk created a Turkish identity -- even if there were Kurds, Lors, Azari Turks, Tatars, Hazaras, etc.

Insulting Turkishness (Article 301) is a crime in Turkey. I respect that. They are a proud proud nation. It's hard anyways to meet a Turk who insults his/her country; they love it too much.



by the way, if Turks were racist and/or looked down on Iranians -- then why is Turkish Prime Minister supporting Iran's position on her quest to achieve uranium enrichment?











p.s. Arab League is a JOKE. So is the OIC. Toothless organizations where sweets, words, and gifts are exchanged. They have no clout, and hardly any leverage. Could have, but they dont.

pro shahi?
90 percent of Iran calls turks, turke khar!
Even Azeris who speak Turkish don't like Turks. Some of them hate it when you call them Turk and you have to correct yourself and call them Azeri.
Our problem with Turkey dates back to the Ottoman era and the mongul invasion and the wars that happened not too long ago. They killed millions of Iranian people (kurds, Persian, Armenians in Iranian territory etc...).
Today there are hundreds of thousands of Armenians living in Iran and they all ran away from the Ottomans. Thousands of them died on the way. This was even before the Armenian genocide.
Our problem with them is based on the wars etc...
And I agree, in general we're a racist and ignorant nations ourselves but the Turks are on a different level.

 

[Hammy007]

i think the iranian racism is very high, arabs in general are not so racist, i think, its the iranian racism more than the arab nationalism that is keeping the two neighbors apart.

 

[Nima]

i think the iranian racism is very high, arabs in general are not so racist, i think, its the iranian racism more than the arab nationalism that is keeping the two neighbors apart.

no this is keeping the nerighbors apart

"The Sassanid Empire fell to the Arabs mainly due to internal issues and the exhaustion of the Sassanid army because of continuous war with the Roman empire, the White Huns, Kushans, Khazars and other Steppe people. The entire war had been decisively summed up in the battle of Qadisiya. After the subjugation of the Persian army, the Arabs marched straight into the heart of Sassinid Persia, where countless libraries and books, such as the ones in Ctesiphon, were destroyed and burned with the approvement of Caliph Omar. Countless artifacts were destroy; the tomb of Cyrus the Great and Takhte-Solyman (an ancient Zoroastrian fire temple) were to be destroyed, but the Iranians lied to the Arabs and told them that Cyrus's tomb was the tomb of Prophet Suleiman's mother and Takhte-Solyman was Prophet Suleiman's tomb. Kaveh Farrokh states in his book Shadows in the Desert: Ancient Persia at War "The local inhabitants made a desperate last stand at Veh Ardashir against the Arabs who finally broke into all of Ctesiphon in 637. For the first time the Arabs witnessed the riches, luxuries, arts architecture and sophistication of one of the world’s great empires. Looting reached epic proportions. One fifth of the looted goods were sent from Ctesiphon to Caliph Omar at Medina. So great was the haul of booty that every Arab soldier was able to appropriate 12000 Dirhams worth of goods roughly the equivalent of 250,000 US Dollars at the time of writing. Nearly 40,000 captured Sassanian noblemen were taken to Arabia and sold as slaves." The population of Rayy, Isfahan and Hamadan were exterminated thrice due to revolts. Much of this invasion and enslavement of the Persian people and onslaught of the Sassanids has left a bitter taste in Iranian people's mouth."


"Anti-Iranian sentiment (ایرانی ستیزی also ایران ستیز&#1740 refers to feelings of hostility, hatred or prejudice towards Iran, its culture and its citizens.

Historically, prejudice against Persians particularly on the part of Arabs following the Islamic conquest of Persia may be described as anti-Persian sentiment."

""Ajam"

According to Encyclopædia Iranica, the word "ajam" in Arabic "is applied especially to Persians" and means "to mumble and speak indistinctly"[39] (similar to the Slavic use of words from the root nemoy ("mute") to refer to the Germans; see Names for Germany), which is the opposite of the meaning of speaking "chaste and correct Arabic language."[40]

"The distinction of Arab and Ajam is already discernible in pre- and early Islamic literature Cf. the Ajam Temtemī ("stuttering barbarian")."[41] (also mentioned in[42])

"In general, ajam was a pejorative term, used by Arabs because of their contrived social and political superiority in early Islam."[43]

Dehkhoda Dictionary also verifies this, stating the meaning as "کند زبانان" i.e. "one who mumbles". For another detailed discourse on this subject see:

* Ignaz Goldziher, 'Arab und 'Agam. Muhammedanische Studien I. Halle. 1889-1890. I p. 101. tr. London 1967-1971, I, p. 98[C. E. Bosworth.
"


Palestinians

Despite getting much financial, political and military support from Iran, Palestinians have been an unreliable ally.[82] Yasser Arafat actively supported Saddam Hussein in his war against Iranians.[83] Interesting is the fact that even for Hamas, Pan-Arabism and anti-Iranian sentiment got the upper-hand when Hussein was executed. Hamas condemned the verdict. [6] Although Hamas is known to be ideologically close to Tehran, this did not prevent the Islamist Party from expressing its opinion on the issue.[84] In its statement soon after the verdict was announced, Hamas recalled the help Hussein provided to the Palestinians in their hour of need, "We, as the Palestinian people, support whoever supports our people and President Hussein was one of those."


Modern times

It was in Baghdad where the first Arab nationalists, mainly of Palestinian and Syrian descent, formed the basis of their overall philosophies. Prominent among them were individuals such as Mohammad Amin al-Husayni (the Mufti of Jerusalem) and Syrian nationalists such as Shukri al-Quwatli and Jamil Mardam. Sati' al-Husri, who served as advisor to the Ministry of Education and later as Director General of Education and Dean of the College of Law, was particularly instrumental in shaping the Iraqi educational system. Other prominent Pan-Arabists were Michel Aflaq and Khairallah Talfah, as well as Sati' al-Husri, Salah al-Din al-Bitar, Zaki al-Arsuzi and Sami Shwkat (brother of Naji Shawkat). These individuals formed the nucleus and genesis of true pan-Arabism.

Satia Al-Husri's campaigns against schools suspected of being positive towards Persia are well documented[65]. One dramatic example is found in the 1920s when the Iraqi Ministry of Education ordered Husri to appoint Muhammad Al-Jawahiri as a teacher in a Baghdad school. A short excerpt of Husri's interview with the teacher is revealing[66]:

"Husri: First, I want to know your nationality.
Jawahiri: I am an Iranian.
Husri: In that case we cannot appoint you."

Saddam Hussein Al Majid Al Tikriti forced out tens of thousands of people of Persian origin from Iraq in the 1970s, after having been accused of being spies for Iran and Israel[67][68]. Today, many of them live in Iran[69][70].


Some Arab states show hostility to Iran. Al-Salafi magazine, quoted in The New York Times, states, "Iran has become more dangerous than Israel itself. The Iranian revolution has come to renew the Persian presence in our region. This is the real clash of civilisations."[85]

In January 2007, Saudi Arabian King Abdullah said that attempts to convert Muslim Sunnis to the Shi'a branch of Islam would not succeed and that Sunnis would always make up the majority of the world's Muslims. Although Abdullah did not mention Iran by name, his comments appeared to be aimed at easing Arab concerns over the Persian Shi'a nation's growing influence in the Middle East. [7] "We are following up on this matter and we are aware of the dimensions of spreading Shi'ism and where it has reached", Abdullah told the Kuwaiti Al-Siyassah daily. "However, we believe that this process will not achieve its goal because the majority of Sunni Muslims will never change their faith", he added. Ultimately, "the majority of Muslims seems immune to any attempts by other sects to penetrate it (Sunnism) or diminish its historical power." While there have been no specific examples of Iranians trying to convert Sunnis, Arabs fear such conversions would accompany Iran's growing powers.[86]

WITH TURKEY
In Turkey
See also: Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey

Iran's Minister of Culture Hossein Saffar Harandi has called the disrespect to the Persian Shahnameh by some Pan-Turkists as the "introduction to Anti-Iranianism".[94][unreliable source?] Canadian author Kaveh Farrokh claims that pan-Turkist groups have encouraged anti-Iranian sentiments.[95]

Historically, the Shia Muslims were discriminated in the Ottoman Empire as they were associated with their Iranian neighbors. In Turkey, relatively large communities of Turks, Kurds and Zazas are Alevi Shia, while some areas in Eastern Anatolia, notably Kars and Ağrı, are Twelver Shia. Even in modern Turkey, Kurds and other Iranic peoples are targets of discrimination and violence (e.g. the 1993 Sivas Massacre)....[96]

In 2008, the celebration of Nowruz, the traditional new year celebration of the Iranian peoples by Kurds, resulted into two deaths and the arrest of 130 Kurds by the Turkish riot police.[97][98]

Although Turkey under Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and Abdullah Gül has good relations with Iran, in December 2007 the Turkish Ambassador to Israel assured the Israeli side that Turkey will offer support to some Iranian regionalist movements and their allies in the republic of Azerbaijan and made some irredentist claims towards the Iranian nation and its national unity.[99]

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

pro shahi?
90 percent of Iran calls turks, turke khar!

whatever floats your boat!!

Iran used to be ahead of Turkiye even 2-3 decades ago. Now the economies are pretty much on par, and they aren't even an oil-export driven country

Even Azeris who speak Turkish don't like Turks. Some of them hate it when you call them Turk and you have to correct yourself and call them Azeri.

I disagree with that statement. Iranian Azeris don't like Azerbayjan, as they resort to nationalism and claim that Azerbayjan is Iran Zameen.

Please mend this thinking.

Our problem with Turkey dates back to the Ottoman era and the mongul invasion and the wars that happened not too long ago. They killed millions of Iranian people (kurds, Persian, Armenians in Iranian territory etc...).

those were the days of empires. By 1600s the Ottoman were already on the decline.

Are you going to hold a grudge over some sh*t that happened that long ago?

Today there are hundreds of thousands of Armenians living in Iran and they all ran away from the Ottomans.

good!! and they should stay there and not venture back.

the Armenians were traitors of the Ottomans. They got what was coming to them.

How do you feel about Iranians in Mujahideen e Khalq embracing Saddam Hussein and supporting him prior to and during his invasion of Iran?

Thousands of them died on the way. This was even before the Armenian genocide.

"genocide" ?

Our problem with them is based on the wars etc...
And I agree, in general we're a racist and ignorant nations ourselves but the Turks are on a different level.

I beg to differ.

Most of the ultra-nationalist (Grey Wolf) Turks who are racist live in Germany and Switzerland.

The ones in Turkiye are not racist at all. Like I said, I lived in Turkiye and I never encountered a single racist; never heard any racist talk. I had maybe one or two friends who made fun of indians -- but that was only because they knew I was Pakistani and that it would maybe please me to hear an indian joke.

Nationalist, they are. Racist, i dont think so. At least not the ones I've met

 

[Nima]

whatever floats your boat!!

Iran used to be ahead of Turkiye even 2-3 decades ago. Now the economies are pretty much on par, and they aren't even an oil-export driven country




I disagree with that statement. Iranian Azeris don't like Azerbayjan, as they resort to nationalism and claim that Azerbayjan is Iran Zameen.

Please mend this thinking.






those were the days of empires. By 1600s the Ottoman were already on the decline.

Are you going to hold a grudge over some sh*t that happened that long ago?




good!! and they should stay there and not venture back.

the Armenians were traitors of the Ottomans. They got what was coming to them.

How do you feel about Iranians in Mujahideen e Khalq embracing Saddam Hussein and supporting him prior to and during his invasion of Iran?



"genocide" ?



I beg to differ.

Most of the ultra-nationalist (Grey Wolf) Turks who are racist live in Germany and Switzerland.

The ones in Turkiye are not racist at all. Like I said, I lived in Turkiye and I never encountered a single racist; never heard any racist talk. I had maybe one or two friends who made fun of indians -- but that was only because they knew I was Pakistani and that it would maybe please me to hear an indian joke.

Nationalist, they are. Racist, i dont think so. At least not the ones I've met

wow you're a peace of work
Millions of Armenians were systematically killed and driven off by the turks, have a little respect by at least not questioning it! Don't tell me that the holocaust was a lie as well.
Look at any map you want and you'll see Armenia as a country where Turkey is right now. They were invaded and were killed in the millions. Turks today would do the same to the kurds if they could. Do you think the Kurds are traitors and they should be killed as well? They don't like turkey one bit.