Arab and Muslim supporters of democracy and Israel

[Mootaz-khelifi]

So Israel isn't to be condemned for what it really does, just because it is. That's what people are getting tired of, as this psychic distortion isn't just limited to Israel but has cascaded through their societies, creating and multiplying injustices everywhere.

Stick it in the appropriate threads...no, I can see it's appropriate here. But where were you back when I was demonstrating for democracy in the Arab world? Sucking up to the powers-that-be? Maybe you're just claiming you demonstrated afterwards, to gain the cachet that isn't rightly yours.

what you mean clear ur words

 

[Solomon2]

what you mean clear ur words

I don't think you risked your butt demonstrating for democracy at all; you're just claiming having done so afterwards. As far as I know Tunisia's pro-democracy demonstrators were anti-regime, not anti-Israel - but there were militants taking advantage of the relaxation of order afterwards, the pro-terrorist sort of people who set fire to Jews' synagogues and businesses in Djerba. I think you're more likely one of them than a pro-democracy activist like me.

 

[Mootaz-khelifi]

I don't think you risked your butt demonstrating for democracy at all; you're just claiming having done so afterwards. As far as I know Tunisia's pro-democracy demonstrators were anti-regime, not anti-Israel - but there were militants taking advantage of the relaxation of order afterwards, the pro-terrorist sort of people who set fire to Jews' synagogues and businesses in Djerba. I think you're more likely one of them than a pro-democracy activist like me.

i'm anti israel not jew tunisian jew who refuse to go to israel are human not like the other animals ( israeli) and i'hate who attack a Tunisian people what ever the religion except who don't have religion i don't care about them i know only 3 religions that is jew , christian and Islam only and by the way 99% of tunisian hate israel are anti israel ( 1% are jew i don't know thing about them only they are patriot to tunisia and they refuse to go to israel )
and me i do protest in the revolution and going to the army this September (in shaa allah ) to kill the terrorist

 

[Hussein]

i'm anti israel not jew tunisian jew who refuse to go to israel are human not like the other animals ( israeli) and i'hate who attack a Tunisian people what ever the religion except who don't have religion i don't care about them i know only 3 religions that is jew , christian and Islam only

sorry to say but just this means a lot about you

 

[Solomon2]

i'm anti israel not jew tunisian jew who refuse to go to israel are human not like the other animals ( israeli)

So you justify your feelings and politics on the grounds that Israelis aren't human beings. Anybody, Jew or not, can be labeled an Israeli or pro-Israeli and demonized and deprived of their life or civil rights (since they have become "animals") the same way.

So whatever you are fighting for, it isn't about democratic freedoms. How much longer can you expect to keep the freedoms you say you've won if you continue this Israelis-aren't-human-so-kill-them thinking?

 

[iranigirl2]

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[Mootaz-khelifi]

So you justify your feelings and politics on the grounds that Israelis aren't human beings. Anybody, Jew or not, can be labeled an Israeli or pro-Israeli and demonized and deprived of their life or civil rights (since they have become "animals") the same way.

So whatever you are fighting for, it isn't about democratic freedoms. How much longer can you expect to keep the freedoms you say you've won if you continue this Israelis-aren't-human-so-kill-them thinking?

to they have to leave our land , Palestine is ours it's Arabic land land for all religions not the zion ( religion base nation go to hell to that ) so to me they will stay animals until they leave our land of Palestine
me i wish that occupy USA movement succeed that will lead to america stop here support to israel and israel be an enemy for usa and occupation of palestine ends

 

[TheJewverine]

to they have to leave our land , Palestine is ours it's Arabic land land for all religions not the zion ( religion base nation go to hell to that ) so to me they will stay animals until they leave our land of Palestine
me i wish that occupy USA movement succeed that will lead to america stop here support to israel and israel be an enemy for usa and occupation of palestine ends

And as per your other post, you intend on attacking Israel with your army of 27,000 soldiers?

Well Ok then, good luck with that endeavor...

 

[Mootaz-khelifi]

And as per your other post, you intend on attacking Israel with your army of 27,000 soldiers?

Well Ok then, good luck with that endeavor...

1st i don't say tunisia is going to attack israel because we don't go military fast we go by politic then if it fail we will wait egypt to lead the way
2nd tunisian army is 60 000 soldier ( wiki data is old )

 

[Solomon2]

@iranigirl2: your above post is off-topic as it is solely anti-Israel without any discernible element of pro-democracy. As such, it belongs in another thread.

 

[Solomon2]

to they have to leave our land , Palestine is ours it's Arabic land land for all religions not the zion

In that case the Zionists have proved themselves far better caretakers than the Arabs have. During the illegal occupation of Jerusalem and the West Bank by the Jordanians (unlike the Jews, Jordan had no right in international law to claim sovereignty there) the Arabs worked hard to dismantle Jewish sites of worship and restricted access to Jews' holy sites. Israel allows access and maintenance to holy sites of all religions.

I don't doubt, though, that your current response now consists of rationalizations and your true reason remains, that you consider Israelis to be sub-humans.

 

[Desert Fox]

I'd like Pakistanis here to contribute positively to this thread, please. Doing so will at least weaken my opinion - built up through years of experience, not prejudice - of Pakistanis as moral and intellectual cowards.

Interesting thread Solomon, i'm glad you opened it.

Israel is a country which was created by Arabs. In fact, no one has done more for the creation of The Jewish State of Israel than the Arabs themselves.


Now, as a Pakistani, my views towards Israeli-Arab conflict are rather neutral. And i believe every Pakistani should maintain a neutral stance regarding the middle eastern disputes since it does not involve us.

 

[Solomon2]

Now, as a Pakistani, my views towards Israeli-Arab conflict are rather neutral. And i believe every Pakistani should maintain a neutral stance regarding the middle eastern disputes since it does not involve us.

Then what do you do when your Pakistani political opponent charges you with being a secret Zionist, since you're trying to remain neutral while he's trying to justify lies and tyranny? If you stay neutral people will think you're really a Zionist and if you agree with him you then you defeat your purpose because you've legitimized the very tyranny Chamma and Hashemi despise.

You see, as long as anti-Zionism is a political issue in your country, you have to be openly pro-Israel if you are going to be pro-democrat. And to do that, you're going to have to learn how to justify being pro-Israel in the face of those who wish to destroy the Jewish state.

 

[Desert Fox]

Support Israel? Well excuse me for not supporting a brutal illegal occupation, illegal settlements, state sponsored terrorism, industrial terrorism, warcrimes, racist country,...

Well, do Arabs, or Muslims for that matter, bother looking in the mirror before pointing fingers at others?

Admitted that israel's human rights record isn't all that clean. But i still can't imagine a peaceful middle east even if lets say israel didn't exist.

11 million Muslims and Arabs have died at the hands of fellow Muslims since 1948. Now one can only imagine the combined casualties of Muslim vs. Muslim slaughter since the passing away of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and the Sunni-Shia divide.

The number might be very high.

 

[Armstrong]

Then what do you do when your Pakistani political opponent charges you with being a secret Zionist, since you're trying to remain neutral while he's trying to justify lies and tyranny? If you stay neutral people will think you're really a Zionist and if you agree with him you then you defeat your purpose because you've legitimized the very tyranny Chamma and Hashemi despise.

You see, as long as anti-Zionism is a political issue in your country, you have to be openly pro-Israel if you are going to be pro-democrat. And to do that, you're going to have to learn how to justify being pro-Israel in the face of those who wish to destroy the Jewish state.

I think you misunderstood my brother @Desert Fox ! He & I just don't care whether the Zionist State Or Palestine exists or not - If they do...fine...if they don't...just as fine !

Whatever exaggerations, conjectures, lies & half-truths that either side puts forth to justify why they are in the 'right' - Go ahead do it...knock yourself out but don't expect us to 'care' either way !