Anti-Jihad 'Savage' Ads Going Up In NYC Subway

[funtoosh]

we dont want them to respect us..
we want them to leave us alone and mind their own business..and stop disrespecting us.

the day you guys leave others alone.. for eg, you send terror into india because some hindus and muslims had riot in Guj. you guys bomb my country becuase an old unused mosque like structure built on a temple was demolished. come on you guys have he longest noses

 

[Developereo]

Nobody is latching on to any propaganda .. Just trying to express surprise at your attempt of deflecting the blame from the real perpetrators who have given Islam and Jihad a bad name in the world.....

Nobody's deflecting anything. You are blinded by your prejudice.

As I mentioned, Christian extremists also use the word Crusade to describe their holy way, including official wars waged by the US. Yet, the word crusade hasn't accrued any negative connotations in the Western media.

http://www.itv.com/news/2012-04-18/breivik-the-crusader-claims-allegiance-to-the-knights-templar/

Right-wing fanatic Anders Breivik, who killed 77 people in bombing and shooting attacks in Norway, claims that the attacks were part of a wider crusade against Islam in Europe.

Breivik has claimed allegiance to the Knights Templar, which he described as a secret society created to extinguish reminisces of the religion. He allegedly attended a meeting of the Knights Templar in London.

 

[Bhairava]

Karan and Bhairava on a super trolling streak today. Karan is trying to be more subtle than Bhairava I will give him that. As for the ads LOL no body reads that stuff anyway, New Yorkers are way too busy to stop to read an ad.

I am politically incorrect. . But I speak the truth, or my version of it.

 

[JayAtl]

Nobody is under any illusions as to the Zionist chokehold on American society. Read my post again; the ad undoes all the hard work of the smarter Zionists to shift Israel out of the limelight and make this a fight between America and the Muslim world.

There is a fundamental naivete in your thinking. Not surprising. There is no Zionist hold in america- rather it just suits your meme. We don't get dictated by Israel or Zionist - if we did, US soldiers would have been an ally fighting aside Israel in all their wars ( 6 day war)- not just be an arms supplier. I would imagine if they had a hold on us - we would have already attacked Iran under Bush. Their PM would not be complaining about Obama.

ON THE other hand- if you want to know whom the radicals have a hold on? then look no further- the terrorists have hold on you guys ( govt. too)- as we have seen in Pakistan and other countries - when your and other govt's, capitulating to the mad mullahs and fanatics, and called for a day of protest that only resulted in more Muslim on Muslim crime and millions of dollars of destruction of private and public property.

Speaking of wishful thinking, you are desperately hoping that this ad campaign will fail. I say more power to them!

again when you have a fundamentalist attitude- you would be blind to facts. Facts are that Americans don't look at her( Pamela) efforts on such Ads as something they believe in. She is the fringe. Ask your fellow american Pakistani citizens. But do we think Muslims are a violent breed- honestly they do and with some justification no thanks to what we see around the world. I don't and nor am I one who believes in such generalization because I know Indian. Turkish ( few others) Muslims are the most moderate lot.

No one has denied that extremists use that word, just as Christian extremists use the word crusade (including George Bush describing the Iraq war!). It would help if you read what is actually written rather than latching on to any anti-Islam propaganda that suits your agenda.

The word crusade is not a fundamentalist christian believe, in fact it is a casual word used when describing a fight for a cause in the american lexicon. The " crusade " as was used centuries ago does not hold the same meaning anymore in our lexicon. " We're crusading against poverty" " I'm on crusade to eliminate crime in my neighborhood"

Again being a rabid anti american I would not expect you to know that... to you anyone who discuss the subject matter with honesty, he/she is anti-Islam. heh

 

[Developereo]

blabbering

Your ignorance of American society is a matter of record. You are 99% Indian and 1% American. The only reason I am bringing this up is because YOU made an issue of being an American and knowing American society better than others.

Just because you hide behind the American flag when ranting against Muslims, Pakistan, China, etc. doesn't make your ignorance any less comical. Both myself and the Chinese have repeatedly exposed your pitiful knowledge of American affairs. The influence of the Zionist lobby on America has been discussed here, including analyses by knowledgeable American intellectuals.

As for crusades, the word entered common usage after the Crusades. It is derived from the word crux, meaning cross, as in 'warrior of the cross'

I suggest you stick to your Indian identity instead of trying to engage in debates as an American. The ignorance is just too painful to witness.

 

[JayAtl]

Your ignorance of American society is a matter of record. You are 99% Indian and 1% American.

Just because you hide behind the American flag when ranting against Muslims, Pakistan, China, etc. doesn't make your ignorance any less comical. Both myself and the Chinese have repeatedly exposed your pitiful knowledge of American affairs. The influence of the Zionist lobby on America has been discussed here, including analyses by knowledgeable American intellectuals.

I suggest you stick to your Indian identity instead of trying to engage in debates as an American. The ignorance is just too painful to witness.

And you wonder why we have an opinion of you lot like we do... America bad, Israel bad, Indian bad- I see Zionist everywhere- BUT me good and I know if a word originated in one form then it must be how it it is thought of centuries later.

Look Dawn is a christian organization in Pakistan? http://archives.dawn.com/archives/65436 The Pakistani woman`s crusade against the system

How's that working on the world stage of public and govt opinion for ya?

 

[Developereo]

And you wonder why we have an opinion of you lot like we do... America bad, Israel bad, Indian bad- I see Zionist everywhere- BUT me good and I know if a word originated in one form then it must me how it it is thought of centuries later.

Look Dawn is a christian organization in Pakistan? The Pakistani woman`s crusade against the system | Latest news, Breaking news, Pakistan News, World news, business, sport and multimedia | DAWN.COM The Pakistani woman`s crusade against the system

How's that working on the world stage of public and govt opinion for ya?

Where did I say that America is bad? In fact, I specifically said that ordinary Americans will ask themselves why they are getting dragged in someone else's war.

As for dawn, what point are you trying to make? We all accept that the word crusade retains its benign meaning despite its use by Christian extremists. That's the whole point I was making.

 

[Bhairava]

Where did I say that America is bad? In fact, I specifically said that ordinary Americans will ask themselves why they are getting dragged in someone else's war.

As for dawn, what point are you trying to make? We all accept that the word crusade retains its benign meaning despite its use by Christian extremists. That's the whole point I was making.

'Ordinary Americans' elect the system through a painstaking democratic process unlike Pakistan which is owned and ruled by a few feudal families. So criticizing their Govt of being owned by Zionists is akin to criticizing the 'ordinary American' who voted them in the first place.

 

[JayAtl]

Where did I say that America is bad? In fact, I specifically said that ordinary Americans will ask themselves why they are getting dragged in someone else's war.

As for dawn, what point are you trying to make? We all accept that the word crusade retains its benign meaning despite its use by Christian extremists. That's the whole point I was making.

When I say most Americans don't agree with this woman and her tactics and ad's - you call it my wishful thinking. thereby implying Americans inherently are for such ADS. That is in my book " america bad".

You sit and say we are under the " hold of" Zionist - and mind you, you don't say that as a compliment... and when I intellectually show you that that's just rubbish? you stoop to childish insults of you no american , you Indian...

you know america so well that that you have no clue that majority of Jews vote Democrat.

There is none to rare frequency of the word " crusade" used/associated with christian fundamentalist in the US . They will use words tyranny, misuse the word 'freedom' - stuff like that but associating the word Jihad and Crusade as the same was a bad example. Honestly equating Christian fundamentalist as equal in " acts" of ****** -is" is humongous stretch.

What I don't get is why do you sympathize with that lot? Look _ I was a Hindu before being an atheist. But even when I was hindu , people like bal thackary or hindu fundamentalist who - let alone IF did not do any violent act, but were just bigoted, earned my disdain.

I don't get how you who hates an entire people- Jews, preaches to others about being intolerant.

You want to know which fundamentalist has a " hold on" which country? Then look no further than your countries and others of like mind and constitution. Your govt and others like instead of being responsible , capitulated to the fundamentalist and called for a day of protest and what was the result? Muslims killing Muslims and millions of dollars of private and public property being destroyed!

 

[xdrive]

Muslim radicals/extremists are savages, as we have seen time and time again.

 

[karan.1970]

Nobody's deflecting anything. You are blinded by your prejudice.

As I mentioned, Christian extremists also use the word Crusade to describe their holy way, including official wars waged by the US. Yet, the word crusade hasn't accrued any negative connotations in the Western media.

That name should catch on in the Islamic world just like the world Jihad has caught on in the western world due to misuse of this word by Islamic Fundamentalist..Why blame western press for that.. And I guess your question was the Western world has distorted the meaning of word Jihad to which I clarified that its the Muslim fundamentalists who are responsible for this distortion. Crusades and their treatment is neither here nor there in this...

 

[Developereo]

When I say most Americans don't agree with this woman and her tactics and ad's - you call it my wishful thinking. thereby implying Americans inherently are for such ADS. That is in my book " america bad".

Because you don't understand the concept of an ad campaign. When most Americans see that ad, they don't see "Pamela Geller", they just see the message, not the messenger. I doubt that most Americans would even know who Pam Geller is, let alone make the connection with the ad.

What is under discussion here, and for 99% of the ordinary Americans who will see the ad, is the message, not the messenger.

You sit and say we are under the " hold of" Zionist - and mind you, you don't say that as a compliment... and when I intellectually show you that that's just rubbish? you stoop to childish insults of you no american , you Indian...

I honestly can't be bothered rehashing that again. The links and the academic studies have been provided; you can search google or this forum if you like. Or not.

you know america so well that that you have no clue that majority of Jews vote Democrat.

When it comes to foreign policy, especially Israel, there is very little difference between both parties. Also, this discussion is about Zionists, not Jews. Did you know that there are arguably more Christian Zionists in the US than there are Jewish ones?

What I don't get is why do you sympathize with that lot?

I don't sympathize with 'that lot', but there is an extremist segment in the West which deliberately equates all Muslims to the extremists. It is that deliberate attempt to conflate the two which I am opposing.

This ad is a perfect example: it paints anyone opposing Israel as a savage jihadist.

I don't get how you who hates an entire people- Jews, preaches to others about being intolerant.

Sigh, here we go again...

Opposing Zionism is not anti-Semitism.

Neturei Karta - Orthodox Jews United Against Zionism

 

[Bhairava]

Sigh, here we go again...

Opposing Zionism is not anti-Semitism.

Neturei Karta - Orthodox Jews United Against Zionism

In the same sense, opposing Jihadism is not opposing Islam.

 

[JayAtl]

Because you don't understand the concept of an ad campaign. When most Americans see that ad, they don't see "Pamela Geller", they just see the message, not the messenger. I doubt that most Americans would even know who Pam Geller is, let alone make the connection with the ad.

I was not only making the claim on her but also such ads as crossing the line clearly in my initial post. if only you look before leaping.

I honestly can't be bothered rehashing that again. The links and the academic studies have been provided; you can search google or this forum if you like. Or not.

Are you serious, you are citing me books and Google search to claim the greatest melting pot that allows even Muslims to be a part of the fabric of our country- is beholden to a singular group? This where you lose on any intellectual thought. They have a such great hold that most Jews vote democrats LOL. They have such great Hold that Iran is yet to be attacked or not once did Americans fight side by side with Israel.

You want to know which fundamentalist has a " hold on" which country? Then look no further than your countries and others of like mind and constitution. Your govt and others like instead of being responsible , capitulated to the fundamentalist and called for a day of protest and what was the result? Muslims killing Muslims and millions of dollars of private and public property being destroyed!

When it comes to foreign policy, especially Israel, there is very little difference between both parties. Also, this discussion is about Zionists, not Jews. Did you know that there are arguably more Christian Zionists in the US than there are Jewish ones?

I thought you knew america. Majority Jews vote democrats. Democrats is whom Israeli PM dislikes.. so really the best chance of war with Iran, which Zionist would love was Bush or Romney next. Zionist hold would have made sure we did not have any relationship with any Arab countries let alone fund billions to one of them. Zionist Hold at worst would not have supported the Arab spring in Egypt- look what they got instead " the Muslim brotherhood" . The biggest Jewish concentration state NY, where this Ad is placed- If had a Zionist hold then they would NOT have the govt ban it at first.

I don't sympathize with 'that lot', but there is an extremist segment in the West which deliberately equates all Muslims to the extremists. It is that deliberate attempt to conflate the two which I am opposing.

Yes you do and you sure have funny way of calling everyone that points out their follies as being anti-Islam.

This ad is a perfect example: it paints anyone opposing Israel as a savage jihadist.

To Americans " jihadist= terrorist" . Just like you guys call Israelis savage terrorist on the Palestine issue... pot meet the kettle.. we Americans we don't agree with the ad, but you as a majority sympathize with your fringe

Sigh, here we go again...

Opposing Zionism is not anti-Semitism.

Neturei Karta - Orthodox Jews United Against Zionism

you try to paint it under the guise of difference, when called out- but you think/ your posting here always speaks like the state of Israel and an entire people Jews are Zionist.

the problem we have is - we never hear you guys protesting when your lot kills Muslims , Christians etc. But get a Muslim dictator murdering his people then you want christian Judea america to come rescue it. " Hey amerika come kill the TTP in my country" "Hey amerika come kill Ghaddfai" " Hey amerika come help the Syrian muslim people"

 

[Developereo]

'Ordinary Americans' elect the system through a painstaking democratic process unlike Pakistan which is owned and ruled by a few feudal families. So criticizing their Govt of being owned by Zionists is akin to criticizing the 'ordinary American' who voted them in the first place.

Zionism is concerned with foreign policy, whereas most elections are about domestic issues. Barring extreme cases, most voters don't give much weight to a candidate's foreign policy views. The Zionist propaganda is not about winning elections, but giving political cover for foreign policy decisions by the administration.

Why blame western press for that..

It's not a matter of blaming anyone but recognizing the dominant power of the Western media to set the global tone. For better or for worse, the Western bias permeates the global airwaves.

In the same sense, opposing Jihadism is not opposing Islam.

Opposing radical Islamism is not opposing Islam, I agree. Most of us here oppose the radical Islamists too.