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The fact that the Hindutvabadi-controlled govt. in India can do this is proof of how much they care for their fellow 'co-religionist' Hindus in Nepal. So much for Hindu solidarity. The true nature of Hindutva is now out in the open for everyone to see. It's India front and center - everything else (even Hindus from other countries) are always second class....
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Well Madheshi people must be also retarded just like their counterpart majority of the north Indians and their demand is as much insane just their protests. And Nepali Paharis should crush them if not want to be enslaved contrary to their sovereign nature. After crushing Madheshis, Nepal must be enslaved by India or China. I havent had good experience here in this forum with Madheshi/Bihar or Nepali/Pahari
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Some fanatics can't see anything without the lenses of religion.
Understanding Nepal's Constitutional Crisis: A Conversation With Prashant Jha
The Diplomat‘s Sanjay Kumar speaks with Prashant Jha about Nepal’s constitutional crisis.
By Sanjay Kumar
September 28, 2015
Nepal’s new constitution is its seventh iteration since 1950. Promulgated on September 20, 2015, the new document, which came into being after seven years of grueling effort, was supposed to be a representative document, at last compared to the previous six. However, it is proving to be as contentious and controversial as any of the past ones. Prashant Jha, a journalist who has followed Nepal’s recent evolution into a democratic republic from up close, expresses serious doubts about the inclusiveness of the constitution and its capacity to bring representative democracy to Nepal.
Author of the seminal book on Nepal, “Battles of the New Republic,” Jha spoke with The Diplomat, outlining his deep apprehension about the new constitution.
The Diplomat: Is Nepal’s new constitution a step forward or backward?
Jha: Nepal has had six constitutions so far and the problem in Nepal has not been writing the constitution but the ownership of constitutions. All the previous constitutions have not been owned by all sections of the society and all political forces. These constitutions have not been sustainable. Of course, there is a qualitative difference between the old ones and the new one. Previous constitutions were written by monarchs, but this has been written by elected people in the constituent assembly (CA). That is a positive difference.
The idea was that the CA would be a platform where people from the diverse social groups of Nepal would sit together and collectively participate in drafting a document and would have the same common rules for all. The idea was that the CA would bridge and overcome the social and ethnic divisions existing in Nepal. The idea was that the CA would create a political structure where different ethnic groups and social groups, particularly excluded ones, would get to exercise power and be a part of more inclusive order. Based on these principles, the CA has failed. It is a setback because the constitution is not owned by a substantial section of the country.
The Terai region in southern Nepal has been on strike for the last 40 days. The socially marginalized groups, like the Madhesis, who live mostly in the Terai area, Janajatis (indigenous people), and women have strong objection to the provisions of the constitution. They feel left out. So the constitution is not collectively owned by a large section of the citizenry. It represents a setback. It is not only the ownership, but also the process through which the constitution has been adopted that is questionable. The entire process has been hijacked by a few leaders, all belonging to the upper caste communities.
The CA was supposed to create inclusion and provide political access to marginalized social groups, but what has happened instead is that the constitution has been framed and political boundaries have been redrawn in a way that ensures the dominance of the traditional political elites: the upper caste people of the hills. It dilutes the principles of affirmative action and reservation. So to summarize: the CA represented a historic opportunity for Nepal, but what we finally landed up with is a lost opportunity.
Why you think that the three major parties rushed to pass the constitution?
It is inexplicable behavior if you go by rational calculations. These parties have been sitting together and writing the constitution for the last seven years; one wonders what was the immediate rush. The parties argue that the earthquake expedited the process. They say that they wanted to focus on reconstruction, but this is a claim that belies credibility. For the last four months, not a single task has been accomplished on the reconstruction front. The international treasure made available for reconstruction has not been used at all, and the parties have done little on the reconstruction front.
I think it is an excuse rather than a real reason. The real reason is convergence of the power ambitions of the leaders belonging to the three major political players in Nepal. Prime Minister Sushil Koirala aims to become the President of Nepal and leave a legacy. The leader of the second biggest party, the United Marxist Leninists (UML), Khadga Prasad Sharma Oli, wants to be a prime minister, and Maoist leader Pushpa Kamal Dahal, known as Prachanda, who is a marginal political player right now, sees an opportunity to leverage power in Kathmandu and further wants to insulate himself from any probes into his alleged financial corruption. Another Congress leader, Deb Bahadur Deuba, thought that he could become party president if the process is pushed through. Therefore, it is this convergence of power ambitions across various parties that explains the haste in constitution making.
So if one goes by your analysis, the new constitution does not guarantee stability in Nepal?
The constitution, by alienating the Terai, has introduced instability from the word “go.” The people in the area have close linguistic and ethnic ties with people across border in Bihar and Uttar Pradesh in India. These are the people who have felt deeply alienated by the hill-dominated political structure. We have seen many such ethnonationalist movements taking a different kind of political shape across the world. The Nepali political elite has played with fire in ignoring and alienating the Terai.
Why did Nepal refuse to heed India’s advice and went ahead with the constitution despite New Delhi’s objections?
The fact is that India has been consistently telling Nepal for the past year to write a constitution based on consensus, a document that represents the aspirations of all sections of the society. In the past weeks, we saw the foreign minister issue a statement, the Indian foreign secretary, S. Jaishankar, going as Prime Minister Modi’s special envoy. We also saw the Indian ambassador in Kathmandu making public pronouncements. Despite all this, we saw that the Kathmandu-based political elites went ahead. They are actually trying to consolidate the power of the politically dominated communities and that became their primary political consideration.
They did not listen to Indian advice because, at the core, they just want to entrench elite power in Nepal. We have seen in the past when it comes to these kind of base political calculations external actors cannot play greater role. It is an internal balance of power which was in the favor of the upper caste groups. Another reason is the shared ambition. The ambition of various parties has come together; they all realize that they are in the same boat and they have their own political aspirations. This is more important than any Indian advice. Third, India reacted a bit late. It should have woken up to the crisis earlier. We know that the Indian embassy in Kathmandu was reporting on developments there on a regular basis. I think there was a bit of an absence of attention at the higher bureaucratic and political levels in Delhi. By the time India reacted, events had already unfolded in Nepal.
So this constitution won’t be sustainable?
This constitution, in the current form, is not going to sustain for long.This document has to go through substantial review to hold for long.
Understanding Nepal’s Constitutional Crisis: A Conversation With Prashant Jha | The Diplomat
None of the major Madhesh-based parties signed the Constitution, which has serious flaws. The new Constitution has a provision for a 165-member Parliament, but the constituencies have been demarcated in such a way that the people of the hill and mountain region would get 100 seats, despite the fact that their share in Nepal's total population is less than 50 per cent. On the other hand, the Terai region constituting over half of the country's population has been allocated only 65 seats.
Nepal's New Constitution: An Analysis from the Madheshi Perspective | Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses
Understanding Nepal's Constitutional Crisis: A Conversation With Prashant Jha
The Diplomat‘s Sanjay Kumar speaks with Prashant Jha about Nepal’s constitutional crisis.
By Sanjay Kumar
September 28, 2015
Nepal’s new constitution is its seventh iteration since 1950. Promulgated on September 20, 2015, the new document, which came into being after seven years of grueling effort, was supposed to be a representative document, at last compared to the previous six. However, it is proving to be as contentious and controversial as any of the past ones. Prashant Jha, a journalist who has followed Nepal’s recent evolution into a democratic republic from up close, expresses serious doubts about the inclusiveness of the constitution and its capacity to bring representative democracy to Nepal.
Author of the seminal book on Nepal, “Battles of the New Republic,” Jha spoke with The Diplomat, outlining his deep apprehension about the new constitution.
The Diplomat: Is Nepal’s new constitution a step forward or backward?
Jha: Nepal has had six constitutions so far and the problem in Nepal has not been writing the constitution but the ownership of constitutions. All the previous constitutions have not been owned by all sections of the society and all political forces. These constitutions have not been sustainable. Of course, there is a qualitative difference between the old ones and the new one. Previous constitutions were written by monarchs, but this has been written by elected people in the constituent assembly (CA). That is a positive difference.
The idea was that the CA would be a platform where people from the diverse social groups of Nepal would sit together and collectively participate in drafting a document and would have the same common rules for all. The idea was that the CA would bridge and overcome the social and ethnic divisions existing in Nepal. The idea was that the CA would create a political structure where different ethnic groups and social groups, particularly excluded ones, would get to exercise power and be a part of more inclusive order. Based on these principles, the CA has failed. It is a setback because the constitution is not owned by a substantial section of the country.
The Terai region in southern Nepal has been on strike for the last 40 days. The socially marginalized groups, like the Madhesis, who live mostly in the Terai area, Janajatis (indigenous people), and women have strong objection to the provisions of the constitution. They feel left out. So the constitution is not collectively owned by a large section of the citizenry. It represents a setback. It is not only the ownership, but also the process through which the constitution has been adopted that is questionable. The entire process has been hijacked by a few leaders, all belonging to the upper caste communities.
The CA was supposed to create inclusion and provide political access to marginalized social groups, but what has happened instead is that the constitution has been framed and political boundaries have been redrawn in a way that ensures the dominance of the traditional political elites: the upper caste people of the hills. It dilutes the principles of affirmative action and reservation. So to summarize: the CA represented a historic opportunity for Nepal, but what we finally landed up with is a lost opportunity.
Why you think that the three major parties rushed to pass the constitution?
It is inexplicable behavior if you go by rational calculations. These parties have been sitting together and writing the constitution for the last seven years; one wonders what was the immediate rush. The parties argue that the earthquake expedited the process. They say that they wanted to focus on reconstruction, but this is a claim that belies credibility. For the last four months, not a single task has been accomplished on the reconstruction front. The international treasure made available for reconstruction has not been used at all, and the parties have done little on the reconstruction front.
I think it is an excuse rather than a real reason. The real reason is convergence of the power ambitions of the leaders belonging to the three major political players in Nepal. Prime Minister Sushil Koirala aims to become the President of Nepal and leave a legacy. The leader of the second biggest party, the United Marxist Leninists (UML), Khadga Prasad Sharma Oli, wants to be a prime minister, and Maoist leader Pushpa Kamal Dahal, known as Prachanda, who is a marginal political player right now, sees an opportunity to leverage power in Kathmandu and further wants to insulate himself from any probes into his alleged financial corruption. Another Congress leader, Deb Bahadur Deuba, thought that he could become party president if the process is pushed through. Therefore, it is this convergence of power ambitions across various parties that explains the haste in constitution making.
So if one goes by your analysis, the new constitution does not guarantee stability in Nepal?
The constitution, by alienating the Terai, has introduced instability from the word “go.” The people in the area have close linguistic and ethnic ties with people across border in Bihar and Uttar Pradesh in India. These are the people who have felt deeply alienated by the hill-dominated political structure. We have seen many such ethnonationalist movements taking a different kind of political shape across the world. The Nepali political elite has played with fire in ignoring and alienating the Terai.
Why did Nepal refuse to heed India’s advice and went ahead with the constitution despite New Delhi’s objections?
The fact is that India has been consistently telling Nepal for the past year to write a constitution based on consensus, a document that represents the aspirations of all sections of the society. In the past weeks, we saw the foreign minister issue a statement, the Indian foreign secretary, S. Jaishankar, going as Prime Minister Modi’s special envoy. We also saw the Indian ambassador in Kathmandu making public pronouncements. Despite all this, we saw that the Kathmandu-based political elites went ahead. They are actually trying to consolidate the power of the politically dominated communities and that became their primary political consideration.
They did not listen to Indian advice because, at the core, they just want to entrench elite power in Nepal. We have seen in the past when it comes to these kind of base political calculations external actors cannot play greater role. It is an internal balance of power which was in the favor of the upper caste groups. Another reason is the shared ambition. The ambition of various parties has come together; they all realize that they are in the same boat and they have their own political aspirations. This is more important than any Indian advice. Third, India reacted a bit late. It should have woken up to the crisis earlier. We know that the Indian embassy in Kathmandu was reporting on developments there on a regular basis. I think there was a bit of an absence of attention at the higher bureaucratic and political levels in Delhi. By the time India reacted, events had already unfolded in Nepal.
So this constitution won’t be sustainable?
This constitution, in the current form, is not going to sustain for long.This document has to go through substantial review to hold for long.
Understanding Nepal’s Constitutional Crisis: A Conversation With Prashant Jha | The Diplomat
None of the major Madhesh-based parties signed the Constitution, which has serious flaws. The new Constitution has a provision for a 165-member Parliament, but the constituencies have been demarcated in such a way that the people of the hill and mountain region would get 100 seats, despite the fact that their share in Nepal's total population is less than 50 per cent. On the other hand, the Terai region constituting over half of the country's population has been allocated only 65 seats.
Nepal's New Constitution: An Analysis from the Madheshi Perspective | Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses
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"hindutva" this "hindutva" that. do you people think of anything else? this 'defence' website is a joke. even the mods here have low iq and get their kick by banning indians.
you people should stop being so insecure and learn to look at things with some fraction of intellect
lets start with a baby step: nepal is the worlds only 'hindutva' country
you people should stop being so insecure and learn to look at things with some fraction of intellect
lets start with a baby step: nepal is the worlds only 'hindutva' country
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Already having a discussion with him here:
Across Nepal, Hindi channels will be closed tomorrow | Page 11
Quick reminder: Not whole of south is protesting.
India Has Halted The Everyday Goods Nepal Needs To Survive - BuzzFeed News
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Trucks are waiting at Nepal border because they cannot enter an extremely disturbed zone.
I have had enough conversations to let you know what has happened.
I have told you numerous times that there are no protest customs too where trucks could pass easily.
I have also told you that if Indian trucks dont feel like coming fine but they should atleast allow Nepali Oil corporation tankers queued up.
If you prefer to spread false agendas and justify whatever India is doing today. Sure go ahead.
I have told you numerous times that there are no protest customs too where trucks could pass easily.
I have also told you that if Indian trucks dont feel like coming fine but they should atleast allow Nepali Oil corporation tankers queued up.
If you prefer to spread false agendas and justify whatever India is doing today. Sure go ahead.
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Brother, the problem is that you are only 'claiming' so. But even the link posted by you above (not a credible link though) also mentions about protests and blockades and tear gas firing, there has been deaths also, and then the writer squarely blames India for not doing enough to clear up the protest. Those truck drivers are ordinary civilians, why should they risk their lives and their trucks even if the Indian government asks them to do so? India is the one who must take all the blames for the utter failure of the Nepal government, right?
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Uh, you know Horus is the site administrator right? This is his forum.
And it's the Nepalese government which is accusing India of mounting an unofficial blockade of Nepal.
Is the Nepalese government lying?
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Nepal pledges to accord priority to China over India
Allaying concerns over the fall of pro-Beijing Prime Minister K P Sharma Oli's government, a top Nepalese leader on Wednesday said Nepal accords a priority to China in its foreign relations and abides by the 'One-China' policy.
Newly elected Prime Minister Prachanda's special envoy Deputy Prime Minister Krishna Bahadur Mahara made the remarks here during his meeting with Chinese Premier Li Keqiang, state-run Xinhua news agency reported.
Mahara said Nepal will strengthen coordination and cooperation with China, and implement all consensus already reached between the two countries.
His visit comes following anxieties in Beijing over the fate of several projects connecting China and Nepal signed by former Prime Minister Oli to reduce landlocked Nepal's dependence on India.
Li said China appreciates the importance attached to relations with Beijing by the new Nepalese government.
He said China will work with Nepal in the spirit of friendship, sincerity, and mutual benefit, to jointly promote bilateral relations as well as peace, stability and prosperity in the region.
China plans to expand bilateral cooperation in such areas as trade, connectivity and infrastructure construction.
China will also help Nepal in natural disaster relief and post-disaster reconstruction, Li added.
Mahara was visiting Beijing just two weeks after Prachanda was elected as Nepal's new prime minister.
He also met with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi and Song Tao, head of the International Department of the Communist Party of China Central Committee.
China considers Taiwan and Tibet as part of the country and requires other nations to accept it as "One-China" policy.
China is also worried over supporters of Tibetan spiritual leader Dalai Lama fleeing from Tibet to India via Nepal.
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Source: https://defence.pk/threads/anti-india-protests-erupt-in-nepal.400267/page-2#ixzz4Hpth0OX0
Allaying concerns over the fall of pro-Beijing Prime Minister K P Sharma Oli's government, a top Nepalese leader on Wednesday said Nepal accords a priority to China in its foreign relations and abides by the 'One-China' policy.
Newly elected Prime Minister Prachanda's special envoy Deputy Prime Minister Krishna Bahadur Mahara made the remarks here during his meeting with Chinese Premier Li Keqiang, state-run Xinhua news agency reported.
Mahara said Nepal will strengthen coordination and cooperation with China, and implement all consensus already reached between the two countries.
His visit comes following anxieties in Beijing over the fate of several projects connecting China and Nepal signed by former Prime Minister Oli to reduce landlocked Nepal's dependence on India.
Li said China appreciates the importance attached to relations with Beijing by the new Nepalese government.
He said China will work with Nepal in the spirit of friendship, sincerity, and mutual benefit, to jointly promote bilateral relations as well as peace, stability and prosperity in the region.
China plans to expand bilateral cooperation in such areas as trade, connectivity and infrastructure construction.
China will also help Nepal in natural disaster relief and post-disaster reconstruction, Li added.
Mahara was visiting Beijing just two weeks after Prachanda was elected as Nepal's new prime minister.
He also met with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi and Song Tao, head of the International Department of the Communist Party of China Central Committee.
China considers Taiwan and Tibet as part of the country and requires other nations to accept it as "One-China" policy.
China is also worried over supporters of Tibetan spiritual leader Dalai Lama fleeing from Tibet to India via Nepal.
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Read more at http://www.thestatesman.com/news/wo...ign-relations/160609.html#0uiROothRbSjwo5A.99
Source: https://defence.pk/threads/anti-india-protests-erupt-in-nepal.400267/page-2#ixzz4Hpth0OX0
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