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So today while coming over the forums I got the notification of the following post by the following member and I think it’s high time that someone seriously answers these questions but I also want to take this opportunity to answer the questions insinutated here but without the courage to actually ask them. Full disclosure first, I’m a former service member and I have served the Pakistan Navy as well.
@PaklovesTurkiye
Greetings.
Willing and able.
Hopefully, you’ll sleep tonight.
Who told you that? The submarines are in the ocean not in Karachi. I think it’ll only humiliate someone who doesn’t know how naval ops work yet has the arrogance not to learn but make some strange point which has nothing to do where the submarines are. Don’t worry, Pakistan and her awesome navy face no embarrassment from our submarines but a few of our citizens are another story.
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Why? Why not be clear?
Oh, so we have a Desi Lord Nelson here to place judgement on the navy? Please, enlighten us.
What’s the problem here? The Army Staff College is in Quetta. The Air War College is in Karachi. The forces of Pakistan spread themselves out for the purpose of making their officers well rounded and able to serve everywhere within the nation. It’s quite clear that you’ve never served because you’d have the Air Force placing its war college in the cockpit of a F-16 and the Army in the Al Khalid? These men have spent their careers on the field. Staff courses are to make them good commanders i.e. understand tactics from a strategic point of view that’s why it’s placed in a certain rank. It’s not just in Pakistan but the world over. Ask any military man and they’d answer the same. All armed forces have two componants over which they operate: command and control. In practice the former is for officers especially at the senior level and the latter is for the NCO/JCO level mid-career officers are in the transition between the two. That comes after considerable career experience in the field i.e. the air for the air force, land for the army and sea for the navy in very broad terms. Did you know that many naval officers go through the PAF War College or the Army one because they’re engineers or from the marines therefore they need to understand their own dimension but from the naval perspective nonetheless? Would the great Admiral/Marshal/General @PaklovesTurkiye be pleased if it were not so because we’re not here to defend anyone or much less fight a war but please the single greatest warrior who ever placed their finger on the keyboard?
Please. Consider this an answer: it’s in the hands of people who die if they make a mistake. They’re much more serious about it than you’d ever be. Sleep tight because the boys are up protecting you, on the ground, in the air and in the sea.
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Again, thus speaks a man who has no clue as to what he’s talking about. The HQs are in Isl/Rwp they shouldn’t be? You don’t understand these things, at least learn a thing or two before saying something that can show that you’ve no idea. The Naval war college doesn’t need to be in Karachi. The PAF already has one there. Ever noticed that? The PN already has institutions of training that are required in Karachi to be in Karachi. They aren’t here to play favourites. We learnt this lesson the hard way in 71 when our naval assets were hit badly because of their concentration before the army started developing Balochistan for OPS the navy did because diversification is key. Things can go bad.
They don’t need to operate two. They need one. No body snatched anything from Karachi. PAF has a war college there already if it’s any solace to you. Your personal issues with Lahore are not the navy’s problem. Your language is an embarrassment to your nation. Get a pressurized suit for your blood.
Karachi is Lahore and Islamabad. You’re the one who’s having problems. I’ve served in Karachi for quite some time and Karachites have served with me in Lahore and Islamabad. Each city has its own beauty; people like you are a pimple for every city.
Naval war college is where rulers are born?
Probably because the points you’re making are nonsensical. ‘Harsh aggressive attitude’ or ethnocentrism/racism.
‘I’ve many black friends’ defense.
The politics of division have always been a problem for Pakistan. As long as we don’t leave our ‘villages’ behind – meaning what we’re truly loyal to then there would be no progress for anyone. This also means thinking nationally rather than regionally. Most problems of Karachi stem out from a historical fact that it was the only metropolitan city that we had and uncontrolled urbanization and planning neglect has concentrated a huge portion of the population there; wherever there’s an significant population density then such problems arise and that problem is the tribalism of human nature. People begin to divide up themselves into groups and discriminate. The same problem is everywhere in every burgeoning urban center, the bigger it is the bigger the problem. It’s as simple as that. The main proponent of the politics of division in Karachi has lost significant face in recent times because it’s not what the city wants. Say what you want but before it wasn’t seemingly possible to achieve this. It’s now because the mentality that the user who’s made the OP has been defeated. Every Lahori belongs in Karachi and every Karchite is at home in Lahore; same goes for Peshawar, Quetta, and every other city.
It resonates with me when I was in Balochistan, ironically with the naval set up and a Bolchi responded with, ‘Apney ghar main kon darta hai?’ To a question posed to Punjabi officers if they felt unsafe in Balochistan. He wasn’t from the military if anyone is wondering. The same I think is true for every patriotic Pakistani.
Thank you, would love to read your thoughts but please maintain decorum.
@PaklovesTurkiye
Greetings.
Sure.
Willing and able.
Hopefully, you’ll sleep tonight.
Who told you that? The submarines are in the ocean not in Karachi. I think it’ll only humiliate someone who doesn’t know how naval ops work yet has the arrogance not to learn but make some strange point which has nothing to do where the submarines are. Don’t worry, Pakistan and her awesome navy face no embarrassment from our submarines but a few of our citizens are another story.
Firstly, water is H2O not CO2 that’s carbon dioxide. Again Pakistan Navy deploys its submarines in the ocean and not Karachi. Second part, the Naval HQ and Naval War College are located in Islamabad and Lahore respectively so the Navy definitely has seen them. Your point is?
I guess I’ll have to do.
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Why? Why not be clear?
SOME people will definitely gonna understand what actually I am trying to convey here
Oh, so we have a Desi Lord Nelson here to place judgement on the navy? Please, enlighten us.
What’s the problem here? The Army Staff College is in Quetta. The Air War College is in Karachi. The forces of Pakistan spread themselves out for the purpose of making their officers well rounded and able to serve everywhere within the nation. It’s quite clear that you’ve never served because you’d have the Air Force placing its war college in the cockpit of a F-16 and the Army in the Al Khalid? These men have spent their careers on the field. Staff courses are to make them good commanders i.e. understand tactics from a strategic point of view that’s why it’s placed in a certain rank. It’s not just in Pakistan but the world over. Ask any military man and they’d answer the same. All armed forces have two componants over which they operate: command and control. In practice the former is for officers especially at the senior level and the latter is for the NCO/JCO level mid-career officers are in the transition between the two. That comes after considerable career experience in the field i.e. the air for the air force, land for the army and sea for the navy in very broad terms. Did you know that many naval officers go through the PAF War College or the Army one because they’re engineers or from the marines therefore they need to understand their own dimension but from the naval perspective nonetheless? Would the great Admiral/Marshal/General @PaklovesTurkiye be pleased if it were not so because we’re not here to defend anyone or much less fight a war but please the single greatest warrior who ever placed their finger on the keyboard?
Please. Consider this an answer: it’s in the hands of people who die if they make a mistake. They’re much more serious about it than you’d ever be. Sleep tight because the boys are up protecting you, on the ground, in the air and in the sea.
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Again, thus speaks a man who has no clue as to what he’s talking about. The HQs are in Isl/Rwp they shouldn’t be? You don’t understand these things, at least learn a thing or two before saying something that can show that you’ve no idea. The Naval war college doesn’t need to be in Karachi. The PAF already has one there. Ever noticed that? The PN already has institutions of training that are required in Karachi to be in Karachi. They aren’t here to play favourites. We learnt this lesson the hard way in 71 when our naval assets were hit badly because of their concentration before the army started developing Balochistan for OPS the navy did because diversification is key. Things can go bad.
They don’t need to operate two. They need one. No body snatched anything from Karachi. PAF has a war college there already if it’s any solace to you. Your personal issues with Lahore are not the navy’s problem. Your language is an embarrassment to your nation. Get a pressurized suit for your blood.
Karachi is Lahore and Islamabad. You’re the one who’s having problems. I’ve served in Karachi for quite some time and Karachites have served with me in Lahore and Islamabad. Each city has its own beauty; people like you are a pimple for every city.
Naval war college is where rulers are born?
Probably because the points you’re making are nonsensical. ‘Harsh aggressive attitude’ or ethnocentrism/racism.
‘I’ve many black friends’ defense.
The politics of division have always been a problem for Pakistan. As long as we don’t leave our ‘villages’ behind – meaning what we’re truly loyal to then there would be no progress for anyone. This also means thinking nationally rather than regionally. Most problems of Karachi stem out from a historical fact that it was the only metropolitan city that we had and uncontrolled urbanization and planning neglect has concentrated a huge portion of the population there; wherever there’s an significant population density then such problems arise and that problem is the tribalism of human nature. People begin to divide up themselves into groups and discriminate. The same problem is everywhere in every burgeoning urban center, the bigger it is the bigger the problem. It’s as simple as that. The main proponent of the politics of division in Karachi has lost significant face in recent times because it’s not what the city wants. Say what you want but before it wasn’t seemingly possible to achieve this. It’s now because the mentality that the user who’s made the OP has been defeated. Every Lahori belongs in Karachi and every Karchite is at home in Lahore; same goes for Peshawar, Quetta, and every other city.
It resonates with me when I was in Balochistan, ironically with the naval set up and a Bolchi responded with, ‘Apney ghar main kon darta hai?’ To a question posed to Punjabi officers if they felt unsafe in Balochistan. He wasn’t from the military if anyone is wondering. The same I think is true for every patriotic Pakistani.
Thank you, would love to read your thoughts but please maintain decorum.
but for our beautiful home! 
