Another option for PAF is F -111

[melb4aust]

:?: Pakistan did purchase some old retired mirages from australia, and they are proving to be very handy for PAF. Now pakistan has another good chance of purchasing some F111 Bombers because Royal Australian Airforce is going to phase them out very soon. Its a fairly good chance to purchase those jets at a very cheap and reasonable price from australia. And pakistan can replace those aegeing A-5's for time being till JF-17 will arrive. JF-17 program is constantly being getting delayed due some technical modifications.

The specifications of F111 are:

http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/f-111_aardvark.pl

Take care Guys. :thumbsup:
Long live Pakistan.

 

[ISI2003]

could be a great plane, but it would be inducting a new type of plane, and this plane is old (i know it has to only go for 10 years)

it has to get US approval, etc. long road, would be ok option, but in reality, it wouldn't happen

 

[Best of the Best]

Hummmm not a bad option at all but like ISI2003 said is it worthed and will the US approve it can be a deadly bomber if upgarded a little more.

 

[Sharjeel]

this is a tactical bomber. the thunder is a multirole fighter.
big difrence. we doent need this plane as we have missiles to do the job instead.

if we do consider it, it would depend on how much life it has left?
maintenance. (this is a swing wing&#33
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[miroslav]

Originally posted by Yahya@Jan 17 2006, 09:49 PM
this is a tactical bomber. the thunder is a multirole fighter.
big difrence. we doent need this plane as we have missiles to do the job instead.

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Dosent make sense.

The mother of all missiles are with US and Russia.

Still they have world&#39;s most sophisticated Tactical and Strategic bombers in service with no plans to retire any one of them unless they grow old enough to retire.

Miro

 

[Sharjeel]

Originally posted by miroslav@Jan 17 2006, 05:52 PM
Dosent make sense.

The mother of all missiles are with US and Russia.

Still they have world&#39;s most sophisticated Tactical and Strategic bombers in service with no plans to retire any one of them unless they grow old enough to retire.

Miro

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ever since the fall of the soviet union the tactical bombers such as b52 etc are being decomisioned/adapted into new roles. b2 is still in service because it is very good at delivering non conventional munition such as LGBs.

f111 is a relic. it is easily spotted and shot by varius detection systems. (radar passive/active, infrared)

f111 is no longer in service with the USAF since they have developed newer more efficient methods of droping bombs. such as b2 and f117. f111s only reason for remaining in service was to deliver a nuke up the bears arse. but the bear had a heart attack so no more worry. there fore the USAF does no longer maintain its numbers of strategic bombers to bomb moscow with nukes and the bombers they did have are being decomishioned/used for conventional war.

the only use we would have for this is for bombing special targets deep inside india. but we already have/are acquiring systems which can do the same task far more efficiently. the other reason is maintenance. but i suppose iaf should purchase it since they have more mony and since they need something like this for china who is superior to them.&#33; (only use india had left for those mig25s was to recon on enemy but now they have sattalites so they decomisioned them)

 

[melb4aust]

Im Not sure that these aircrafts need any authorization from US. Pakistan has purcased some old mirages from Australia in past, and Australians are gonna implement new aircrafts very soon, most likely F35 as they are the member for joint production with US for F35 program. Belive me it is a very good chance for pakistan to get these, at the moment Australians are looking for customers, Malaysia, Indonesia as well as Singapore are the likely ones. Plus they are gonna sell some air-air-missiles as well.

I guess its worth of trying.

I did read all that in Australian Newspaper, and they are looking for customers, and and the name of Pakistan was there as well. Lets see......... :lips:

 

[Hammad]

Australia is indeed looking for a good replace, as it sees a threat of China, because of the edge China has versus Austrialian F-18s. Australia really fears of Russian made Su-27 series.

Many people think that Pakistan needs a bomber, but well why do we need it? We dont have a fight with any country that is really far, unless you want to keep the damn thing in reserve, because i dont think PAF will be able to maintain that big thing, not to mention of the operational costs, and spare parts problem.

Pakistan should only go for it, if it has enough bonus funds for it. Otherwise it is a useless aircraft for PAF. However, i think IAF should go for it, if it gets an approval, seeing that they can handle it.

 

[Zeeshan S.]

Do you guys think that it is in entrust of Pakistan to have long range bombers? Dont you think first we need a strong 4th generation fighters?

 

[EagleEyes]

Originally posted by mysterious@Jan 19 2006, 03:21 AM
Do you guys think that it is in entrust of Pakistan to have long range bombers? Dont you think first we need a strong 4th generation fighters?

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That is indeed true, but since the deal of getting this bomber is cheap, we should consider it.

 

[melb4aust]

:thumbsup: Im quite agree with Webmaster, If the deal is cheap Pakistan should go for it, as those aircrafts can serve the navy round about for the next decade, thats what Australians ave been doing for the last 10 to 15 years. If the question is about offence stuff, why would australia keep such bombers, while they have nothing to do with others, as Australia is not an offence country.

From my point of view Pakistan should go for these aircrafts, if they get them on reasonable cheap price( And I bet they surely will do), as our neighbouring countries such as India, China Russia also have long range bombers.

Avail the oppertunity guys :wink:

 

[Sharjeel]

Originally posted by melb4aust@Jan 20 2006, 03:22 AM
:thumbsup: Im quite agree with Webmaster, If the deal is cheap Pakistan should go for it, as those aircrafts can serve the navy round about for the next decade, thats what Australians ave been doing for the last 10 to 15 years. If the question is about offence stuff, why would australia keep such bombers, while they have nothing to do with others, as Australia is not an offence country.

From my point of view Pakistan should go for these aircrafts, if they get them on reasonable cheap price

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Price is not an issue. we will have to setup new training systems, and a lot of recourses of our academies, etc etc will be used which will need to be upgraded, we will need to train new technicians, develope new ovehaul and upgrade sections in kamra, deploy more men through ISI to mark targets inside india incase of war. train those men, we have to obviusly escort these with fighters that is another vital recourse wasted...

to deliver weopens we have dispensible missiles&#33;&#33;&#33; which doent need as much of infastructure as the f111 would.

of and Indian Navy has very efficient and accurat means to destroy these aircraft...because of their large RCS and Infrared signiture....

 

[Zeeshan S.]

First of price is an issue. To setup a new training system can be achieved without any expense, it will be their job to provide us training when or if we purchase the aircraft. Regarding ISI to mark targets inside india incase of war.

If we purchase a new aircraft that means the other already military related targets will be changed? No they wont, there will be no need for more spies in India for finding out military targets, as most of them will remain same. The only thing might happen is India might back up its important military targets since now we have a bomber as a treat for them.

As for the weapons that can be used with F-111 should also come with it, otherwise there is no use for F-111 when a fighter jet can perform the same thing except for the payload.

Indian Navy, where does it come from? No need to take that route to get into the enemys territory can always use the back door. I agree with you in RCS, etc but than AWACs are as same as vulnerable that Pakistan will be getting.

 

[melb4aust]

Price and training offcourse is not an issue, neither the targets. If there is no need for bombers then why pakistan have A-5&#39;s in there inventory. And F-111 is a alot more better aircraft than A-5.

And the question is about escorting them with other fighters, there&#39;s no need for that they are the fighters itself, can take on other aircrafts. The F-111 has variable-sweep wings that allow the pilot to fly from slow approach speeds to supersonic velocity at sea level and more than twice the speed of sound at higher altitudes. The variable-sweep wings allows the aircraft to fly at extreme low level, to avoid radar detections, and the ability to short take-off and landing.

As i mentioned earlier as well its good to have variety, and different modes to attack and defend. Lets suppose if by any chance missile delivery system fails, they can come very handy for Pakistan. There long range makes em enable to deliver nukes any where in India, plus can be modified to lanch babur, as they can take heavy payload.

There Armament is:

Up to four nuclear bombs on four pivoting wing pylons, and two in internal weapons bay. Wing pylons carry total external load of 25,000 pounds (11,250 kilograms) of bombs, rockets, missiles, or fuel tanks.

Carrying four nuclear bombs is some thing, if an aircraft can defend its self, can engage into dogfight and can fight with anyaircraft.

They are not just the piece of puppets flying around.
Rethink Dude..............

 

[melb4aust]

Sorry my mistake can carry 6 nuclear bombs at a time.