Another Indian shot dead in US

[Attila the Hun]

I disagree. I believe you contributed very positively.

Thanks. I try my best

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

Rip.

 

[adil_minhas]

If this was about some woman in US who got into bother because of her Hijab this thread would have Indian's falling on each other with facetious comments like "their country their rules". So I find it rather ironic that after helping to light the fire the fire is consuming so many Indians.

Not a fair equivocation sir.

The Indians shot here were not flaunting any rules of America. Yet they were shot.

The "their country their rules" about the Hijab are usually for European countries that have banned such garments, rightly or wrongly. By due process.

ppl getting killed for no fault of their own is bad , Indian or some other nationality makes no difference.
posts here more or less are happy about Indian getting killed. Makes no sense to engage in such cheap threads which celebrates innocents death.

I'm sorry I misunderstood then. But I am certainly concerned. In my case, I am Indian and Muslim. A double whammy.

 

[Mugwop]

indians be like it doesn't matter as long as the perp is a Islamaphobe.

 

[Nilgiri]

So I find it rather ironic that after helping to light the fire the fire is consuming so many Indians.

How did we light the fire?

Most of the fire was literally lit by people crashing planes into buildings (and the following mass stereotyping/general yet specific ethnic xenophobia)....and there were hate crimes/burglary going on well before that and since in the US as well (for a myriad of reasons and causes), embers if you will that every society has.

You ever see how many black people get killed each year past and present...a significant portion of them because of hate (sometimes from people from the same ethnic group)? Happened before trump, will happen during trump and will happen after trump.

Get rid of this whole idea that trump unleashed some bogeyman that wasnt present before. You need a year or two to have any clear data that points at a trend to establish your fear-mongering claim.

Something that goes like this:

The murder rate in the US was about 3.9 per 100,000 residents in the US in 2013.

There are about 4 million Indian - Americans in the US as of 2016.

We can expect on average about 150 - 160 of them to be murdered in a year if they fit the national average (if anyone has more specific Indian-American murder victim rate - please post it)

So lets compile how many get killed this year shall we and see how it matches up to that....and if there is some "Trump" phenomenon (i.e massive increase in hate related portion of this....given the peak year was probably the murder of the sikhs at their temple which happened in 2012....under Obama's tenure)

So far 1 hate crime and 1 burglary related one (at this point) that would have both most likely happened if Hillary Clinton or anyone else won (as though that would have any bearing on the events that already transpired on 9/11 and how it instilled real lasting and actionable hate among a minority of people in the US).

If any have some that didn't make the front page news, they can post it here too. Lets get this going and see if the evidence matches the proposed hypothesis.

This stuff has been going on for quite some time after all:

http://pluralism.org/research-repor...nds-muslims-sikhs-hindus-and-jews-in-the-u-s/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/15/us/sikh-hate-crime-victims/

Did the mass shooting of sikhs happen under Trump's watch? Could anyone even foresee him running for president back then?

Does anyone propose such violent xenophobia is absent in every other country and society? 0 hate crimes take place back home in India, Pakistan, Middle East, China, Europe, Africa etc?

Lets get some solid evidence and facts going to back up claims please.

"Their country, their rules" is the most asinine thing you could say too. Since when does the US not recognise murder as a crime...much less condones it as a national policy based simply on identity?

 

[Hold up]

Not a fair equivocation sir.

The Indians shot here were not flaunting any rules of America. Yet they were shot.

The "their country their rules" about the Hijab are usually for European countries that have banned such garments, rightly or wrongly. By due process.

Please change your name to Ram Lal, you are a disgrace to our community.

Banning hijab? You don't even even know the difference between hijab and burkha, I wonder what Muslim mohalla you stay in?

Just log off dude

 

[Indus Pakistan]

@Nilgiri I am not going into long details with this but I will make a few observations here. Indian's are amongst the most conspicious groups in the West - only the Blacks are more conspicious. Yet all too often they show support for far right groups. Because right now the Muslims are the target of the far right, Indian's try to ride that horse to vent their hatred of Pakistan which of course they see as bastion of Islam. This is pretty evident even on PDF. As I always say to them take a look at the mirror.

The fact is many Middle Eastern Muslims are almost inconspicous in the West. What Indian's need to wake up to is the very groups who peddle hatred for Muslims are actually driven by racism. Today they might be after Muslims but tomorrow it will be Indians. Adam Purinton in Kansas City perfectly demonstrated that.

 

[Sugarcane]

May the misconception/misunderstanding continues until the things comes under control.

R.I.P.

 

[VCheng]

So far 1 hate crime and 1 burglary related one (at this point) that would have both most likely happened if Hillary Clinton or anyone else won (as though that would have any bearing on the events that already transpired on 9/11 and how it instilled real lasting and actionable hate among a minority of people in the US).

And in both instances, the justice system will find and prosecute the criminals as swiftly as possible. Rule of Law shall prevail.

 

[VCheng]

Trump will sort that out, dont you worry

Actually, the courts are sorting out Trump already.

 

[Dragon Ball]

Not that I am wishing for it, but why are Pakistanis not getting shot?

Indians there (and here) need to ask themselves some hard questions.

There are 5 times more Indians than there are Pakistanis in USA and they are twice as successful as Pakistanis. Indians stand out because of their professional success. A few years ago there were many cases of home burglaries especially targeting Indians because word was out that every Indian house was loaded with gold jewellery.

There, I hope I answered your hard question.

Two Indians getting gunned down is not enough for you to respond?

When our guys were getting beaten up in Australia we were on the streets.

The guys beating up Indians in Australia were North Africans and Arabs. It was not the Australians. Likewise here it is not the whites or the blacks targeting Indians for their ethnicity or religion but it is just normal crime scene. US has a homicide rate which is higher than India's.

 

[Sky lord]

Not that I am wishing for it, but why are Pakistanis not getting shot?.

Because there are many fewer of them. There are now more than 3 million Indians in the US , so by the law of averages , are more likely to be victims of crime. It is harder for a Pakistani to get an US visa than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.

 

[xyxmt]

B.S.
The last week's shooting happened because shooter though the victim's were Muslims.

everytime this happens you can take solace in that he was mistaken as a muslim.

 

[Sky lord]

@Nilgiri I am not going into long details with this but I will make a few observations here. Indian's are amongst the most conspicious groups in the West - only the Blacks are more conspicious. Yet all too often they show support for far right groups. Because right now the Muslims are the target of the far right, Indian's try to ride that horse to vent their hatred of Pakistan which of course they see as bastion of Islam. This is pretty evident even on PDF. As I always say to them take a look at the mirror.
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I have to agree! With some provisos! I have never understood this Indian love affair with far right groups in the west. It is IMO driven by a cultural dislike of Muslims. " an enemy's enemy is your friend" However, this is like a child playing with matches, eventually you are going to set your own house on fire.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

There are 5 times more Indians than there are Pakistanis in USA and they are twice as successful as Pakistanis. Indians stand out because of their professional success. A few years ago there were many cases of home burglaries especially targeting Indians because word was out that every Indian house was loaded with gold jewellery.

There, I hope I answered your hard question.

So you're saying that Americans are getting jealous of Indian community success and thus resorted to violence against you....???

Its trump effect, hating every non white person...So why were you getting happy about Trump just because so he will ban Muslims/Pakistanis...

I didn't realize karma will come that soon...Beganey ki shaadi me Abdullah Diwana...Mauqa dekh k dance shru...perfectly describes Indians