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The Caliphate shall be a nuclear armed state from the day of its inception... inshaAllah

You should get the point ;)

yes i got the point, you are talking about a state that don't exist & will never exist but it certainly exists in the mind of delusional Muslims who have broken communication with the real world.

The identity crisis of the people of this country is getting severe every passing day...
 
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Islamic states are not capable of making sound decisions based on logical calculations. They instead form a policy around their religious text and act accordingly. This is not something that is compatible with modern times unless it is highly modified and revised which in Islams case is not permitted. Secular unitary states with western capitalist concepts have proven to be the most stable and logical forms of government.

Not worthy of any serious comment... except perhaps that the Islamic states of our times have made such logical decisions and calculations such as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan...
 
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yes i got the point, you are talking about a state that don't exist & will never exist but it certainly exists in the mind of delusional Muslims who have broken communication with the real world.

The identity crisis of the people of this country is getting sever every passing day...

No you did not get the point... this is why you resort to cheap insults...

Very easy to do on the internet... Here I ll show you... You are an idiot of the highest order!!!

Next time be careful whom you call delusional... He may turn and bite you for real... haha
 
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No you did not get the point... this is why you resort to cheap insults...

Very easy to do on the internet... Here I ll show you... You are an idiot of the highest order!!!

Next time be careful whom you call delusional... He may turn and bite you for real... haha

I didn't said anything wrong, I of course stand by my word...

This country has got its mind poisoned with excess of religion
 
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What if there were 10 more of me, or 10,000 or a Million or 100 Million... Would we still be irrelevant. :D

You are irrelevant because your ideas are in the minority and do not represent the majority...

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/apr07/START_Apr07_rpt.pdf

See page 24 of the document...

Majorities even agree with the ambitious goal "to unify all Islamic countries into a single Islamic State of Caliphate" (overall average 65 %) 74 percent of Pakistanis agreed with this goal as did 71 percent of Moroccans and 67 percent of Egyptians. However in Indonesia only 49 percent agreed while 40 percent disagreed.

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Now do explain to me why you think you should be of importance to anyone?

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Alaka Ahmad Khana... The above survey goes for your probing too... Next time save yourself (and myself) some energy and accept what I m telling you... tapeesh?

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I didn't said anything wrong, I of course stand by my word...

This country has got its mind poisoned with excess of religion

and you have got your mind poisoned with excess of whatever it is thats in your head... bhoos?

Calling others as delusional... Do you go around speaking to people in this tone in real life... what a joker...
 
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Most people of different faiths worldwide are named after religious figures or based on the various names of God, be it Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism or any other faith.

Pardon me but this seems like a very extremist case to me where this man has done something that is very normal as we all do. Throwing non-required documents or cards with the name of one person one it (who happens to be named after a religious figure) is not akin to blasphemy in any way at all.

This all to me seems like an attempt to gain cheap political mileage by blaming and making the life of one person miserable. What further substantiates the futility of this case is the accused here is himself a Muslim by faith and naturally as he would have been taught during his early years, his intention would not have been to hurt the religious sentiments of people when he merely chucked a card into dustbin.

I think if civil law has any significance, I think this case should simply be repealed as it is needlessly causing distress to the accused while serves no logic of blasphemy in reality.

I actually agree... one has to show intent in such a case... simply throwing a card that he did not want and then accusing someone of blasphemy makes no sense... they did this a few years ago with a woman who named a teddy bear as Muhammad in Sudan also... even though later the woman herself said that she should have understood the sensitivity of the issue and clearly stated that she was treated very well by the Sudanese as the issue was being resolved...
 
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what we see in afghanistan is nothing but anarchy for the last 3 decades, so dont blame democracy. democracy hasnt failed in europe and america.

Afghanistan IS a democracy now my dear... has been for the past so many years... read any newspaper in the west... they all call it a democracy... which is obviously something we are not happy with... Who wants a Karzai... lol

and Democracy HAS failed in europe and america... Ask any one of the millions who are jobless despite having tremendous potential for work...

Do you get out in Cardiff much? Try to volunteer for a homeless organization for a change... or ask the man selling the big issue around Cardiff Castle area, what he thinks of Democracy...

How do you gauge success and failure?
 
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We dont base Islam on "their" history books...
1) They are as much of muslims as we are. Havent we heard it before calling them kuffar? and yes thats what pushed them to fight against us, if you are a muslim you would stand by us else if you ask for rights you arent a muslim.

2) Who is basing Islam on their books. But yes history is going to be based on both the accounts and not one.


Mistakes were done by both sides at that time (I am not an apologist for the idiots who were running west Pakistan at that time)... as for your assertion that the west was doing things in guise of Islam... that is downright silly... the Islamic political parties like JI were never in power at that time... General Yahya was no example of Islam so they may say all that, it does nt change the fact that we were not looking at Islam rather we were talking nationalism... Its not much different from what the BLA goons are doing nowadays... what is working in our favor is that Baluchistan is geographically attached to the rest of Pakistan!!!


Bingo, you just said the magic word, GEOGRAPHICAL attachment. Thats what defines nationhood, had baluchistan been located thousands of miles away, islam would not have been enough to keep tem with us.

As for the point of the bond of religion being a weak bond... I totally agree with that... You could have a case if you could prove that I m talking about a religious bond... there is a difference between ideological and religious bond... Islam for all we know it is an ideology... not just a religion...
heard enough of that, Islam is a religion just like judaism and christianity. As a matter of fact we muslims claim that its a continuation of those religions and the followers of those religions were also muslims as were Musa and Isa. So just like them Islam is also a religion.

As for your point of clashes during the time of the Rashideen... My friend the principle you need to focus on there is that History is a very good teacher and the wise keep the lessons of history in mind... its a different thing that we keep repeating history foolishly... The reason why there was clash between Muslims is discussed in great detail... the actions of the Munafiqeen, the Khawarijeen, the Yahood, The Parsis and the corrupt amongst Muslims as well... its all there (nowadays you could add... the nationalists ;))

Aint that funny? for everything bad blame somebody else. Whether its from your past or your future.

History is also a judge to ehat worked and what did not and the history of even khilafat-i-Rashida tells us something. Open another thread and we can discuss why Hazrat Usman was not allowed to be burried in a muslim cemetery and how his body lay in his house for three days. Or we could also discuss other details but this thread is about is caliphate imminent and necessary? You have not provided any sources making it mandatory.

How do you define sects?
Ask those who have lost loved ones cause of "FIRQA-warana fasadat". Or those who are killed every muharram and the list goes on and on.



And what is a Muslim? :D
are all muslims practicing? Yahya khan was also a muslim ;-)

There is a difference between a muslim country and an Islamic state.

You seem upset... are you alright?
Why would I be?

I m sure you have proved nothing... The Caliphate is part and parcel of Islam...

Well I alongwith many disagree unless you prove otherwise, which you haven't so far.
 
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Not worthy of any serious comment... except perhaps that the Islamic states of our times have made such logical decisions and calculations such as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan...

They are too busy with giving conspiracy theory speeches to the United Nations.

YouTube - Iran President talks 911 conspiracy at UN

While the other one is trying to get the U.S. to drop bombs on them and enjoy Wahhabi agenda.

YouTube - WIKILEAKS RELEASE - SAUDI ARABIA URGED ATTACK ON IRAN

The rest which is busy dealing with Islamic terrorism and civil war.






Guess what ? The U.S. may have economic problems but it is not stuck in the 14th century on moral and ethical issues.
 
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Majorities even agree with the ambitious goal "to unify all Islamic countries into a single Islamic State of Caliphate" (overall average 65 %) 74 percent of Pakistanis agreed with this goal as did 71 percent of Moroccans and 67 percent of Egyptians. However in Indonesia only 49 percent agreed while 40 percent disagreed.

Statistics eigh..

"Statistics are like a Bikini, What the reveal is suggestive, What they conceal is vital"...

Trust me Mr. Bin-Qasim, there are far more of us then there are of you. Those who side with you are just as fickle as the Muslims of the arab world who despite all their wealth and clout cannot help their fellow arab's ( let alone Muslims).

Caliphate...

Muslims can't agree on who is a Muslim: Is it Sufi, Sunni, Shia...

Muslims have no unity... Despite their wealth and clout they can;t even unite to help Palestine...

Muslims have no honour...

Caliphate... thanks, but no thanks.. i would rather prefer the sanctity of the mosque not be blighted by the cancer of politics.

Please keep mosque and parliament separate. Stop living in the 16th Century Mr Qsim and step into the light. Welcome to the 22nd Century.
 
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You are irrelevant because your ideas are in the minority and do not represent the majority...

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/apr07/START_Apr07_rpt.pdf

See page 24 of the document...

Majorities even agree with the ambitious goal "to unify all Islamic countries into a single Islamic State of Caliphate" (overall average 65 %) 74 percent of Pakistanis agreed with this goal as did 71 percent of Moroccans and 67 percent of Egyptians. However in Indonesia only 49 percent agreed while 40 percent disagreed.

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Now do explain to me why you think you should be of importance to anyone?

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Alaka Ahmad Khana... The above survey goes for your probing too... Next time save yourself (and myself) some energy and accept what I m telling you... tapeesh?

:cheers:

reading page 24 and before, i read this about sharia, not khilafat:

Most respondents express strong support for expanding the role of Islam in their societies, a view that is consistent with the goals of al Qaeda. Large majorities in most countries—an average of 71 percent (39% strongly)—agree with the goal of requiring “strict application of Shari’a law in every Islamic country.” Pakistanis were the most enthusiastic with 79 percent agreeing. About three in four Moroccans (76%) and Egyptians (74%) also agreed. Indonesians showed the lowest support: 53 % and 40% disagreed.

and i also saw this one:

In all four countries polled, strong majorities (67% overall) said they considered “a democratic political
s about a democratic political system…Would you say it is a very good, fairly good
governing their country. Support for democracy was highest in Egypt, where an overwhelming 82 percent saw it as good and a 52 percent majority called it “very good.” In Indonesia, democracy was endorsed by 65 percent, though with less intensity (only 14 percent said very
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called democracy a good way of governing their country (28% very good). In Pakistan, 61 percent called democracy a good way to govern (20% very good).
 
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and yes... afghanistan is a greater nonsense than the west... but look... the west call it a democracy now!!!

Mr. Qasim, for your kind information we have reached peak of development, peace and prosperity as compared to most non-democratic countries using the system of democracy. Afghanistan's current state is to be blamed on Taliban and its aides who first tried to turn the country into a 12th century tribal empire under fanatical and absolutely intolerant laws under which no human would like to live.

In my past engagements on this forum, I have gone in depth about how this all began with the Soviet-Afghan war which is simply the cause of Afghanistan's pain today. Please don't blame democracy for the follies of intolerant and fundamentalist organizations like the Taliban.

Putting the result of regional miseries on West doesn't solve your problem; Democracy's record has been made clear by the number of immigration applications that we receive every year from your much-assumed 'wonderful' non-democratic countries and the stark economic contrast even in your own neighbourhood.
 
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Statistics eigh..

"Statistics are like a Bikini, What the reveal is suggestive, What they conceal is vital"...

Trust me Mr. Bin-Qasim, there are far more of us then there are of you. Those who side with you are just as fickle as the Muslims of the arab world who despite all their wealth and clout cannot help their fellow arab's ( let alone Muslims).

Caliphate...

Muslims can't agree on who is a Muslim: Is it Sufi, Sunni, Shia...

Muslims have no unity... Despite their wealth and clout they can;t even unite to help Palestine...

Muslims have no honour...

Caliphate... thanks, but no thanks.. i would rather prefer the sanctity of the mosque not be blighted by the cancer of politics.

Please keep mosque and parliament separate. Stop living in the 16th Century Mr Qsim and step into the light. Welcome to the 22nd Century.

You really are something Mr Paladin... At first you yourself talk numbers... when it is shown to you that the majority does not agree with your ideas, you resort to Statistics are like a Bikini...

admit it... you have been defeated in your own game... and now you are trying to sew a Shalwar for yourself :no:

Have nothing else to say to you dear... Be happy...
 
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Mr. Qasim, for your kind information we have reached peak of development, peace and prosperity as compared to most non-democratic countries using the system of democracy. Afghanistan's current state is to be blamed on Taliban and its aides who first tried to turn the country into a 12th century tribal empire under fanatical and absolutely intolerant laws under which no human would like to live.

In my past engagements on this forum, I have gone in depth about how this all began with the Soviet-Afghan war which is simply the cause of Afghanistan's pain today. Please don't blame democracy for the follies of intolerant and fundamentalist organizations like the Taliban.

Putting the result of regional miseries on West doesn't solve your problem; Democracy's record has been made clear by the number of immigration applications that we receive every year from your much-assumed 'wonderful' non-democratic countries and the stark economic contrast even in your own neighbourhood.

Mr Para... Who has been in power and government in Afghanistan for the last 8 to 9 years? Taliban?

Yeah... lets keep blaming them anyway... helps everyone stay in line...
 
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