Anger erupts in Vietnam over Monsanto products, Agent Orange kill & infected millions of people

[Götterdämmerung]

it is not a big deal if a company promotes its products. actually I know too little about GM corns to judge pro and con, but from what I read the vietnamese government has an ambitious plan to develop a domestic biotechnology. and mosanto plays a part of it. and syngenta. in fact, vietnam has given permission to some GM corns developed by these two companies.

it is a big business.

Wer bekommt Syngenta- Monsanto oder die Chinesen? - netzfrauen– netzfrauen

I don't know in what parallel world you are living in, but if you ndeed live in Germany, you would have known that GM food is verboten here and the absolute majority is against it. and believe me, the common German is much better informed about this than even many of your Vietnamese officials.

Yeah, it's big business, lets fall on our knees and and feel blessed.

 

[NiceGuy]

Wow, Monsanto, big name....but Im sure that 99 % VNese (including me) dont know and dont care what the hell that company is.

We won, VN war was over, and we welcome Monsanto when they bring benefit to VN now

 

[empirefighter]

Stop meaningless argue，none of you are American. For China，we should hold our food tightly in our own hands，never rely on the American agricultural products ，that is all we should care. As for Vietnam choice，none of our business，so troll is boring and stupid.

 

[William Hung]

Then vietnam is a US lapdog now. Deng is not such great leader for China after all, many of his open policy is the root of many problems in China including the honeymoon period with US which is his personal stance only , not the Chinese decision and I do not care but if you want to claim he is. If so ,then vietnam is a lapdog too. But if you want to claim Vietnam is not then Deng is also not a lapdog of US. Make your choice. I just watch the documentary of Y-10 and I hate Deng for cancelling that superb program.

No, it is your compatriots who have to make the choice, not me. Seems like a lot of your compatriots here love going around accussing other country, including VN, of being a lapdog. Read from the beginning of this, who called who a lapdog first? I’m simply reminding your compatriots that whatever VN is doing now, China has already done it in the past. So accussing VN of being a lapdog now, is the same as calling your past leaders and country a lapdog of the US in the past. So it is you and your compatriots who need to make the choice.

Here’s another thing, in what way is VN becoming a US lapdog? VN has already made it clear to the US that their will be no foreign military base in VN. So you are accussing VN of being a lapdog for growing its economic ties with the US? Lets not forget that China has a stronger economic tie with the US than VN have with the US. And I haven’t even mentioned how your country warmed its relationship with Japan from the 70s, when your country turned against the Soviet. Until this day, your economic tie with Japan is still strong regardless of the superficial war apology bantering. So did your country also sell out and became Japan lapdog too? So make your choice, is VN a US lapdog according to you? if yes, then China was also a lapdog of US and Japan from the 70s? Make your choice.

THis sounds like a whore to me?

Oh, so this is not only about being a lapdog, but also being a whore as well?

So, you still need to make the same choice. If you say VN is becaming a whore to the US now, does this mean that China also became a whore to the US and Japan from the 70s after what they have done to your soldiers and people in WWII and Korean War?? Make your choice.

 

[William Hung]

Do you welcome agent orange father back? LOL

Most of us already know what happened to China in WWII.

Then in 1972, China welcomed Japanese leaders into the country to sign this Japan-China joimt communique:

MOFA: Joint Communique of the Government of Japan and the Government of the People's Republic of China

1. The abnormal state of affairs that has hitherto existed between Japan and the People's Republic of China is terminated on the date on which this Joint Communique is issued.

2. The Government of Japan recognizes that Government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal Government of China.

3. The Government of the People's Republic of China reiterates that Taiwan is an inalienable part of the territory of the People's Republic of China. The Government of Japan fully understands and respects this stand of the Government of the People's Republic of China, and it firmly maintains its stand under Article 8 of the Postsdam Proclamation.

4. The Government of Japan and the Government of People's Republic of China have decided to establish diplomatic relations as from September 29, 1972. The two Governments have decided to take all necessary measures for the establishment and the performance of the functions of each other's embassy in their respective capitals in accordance with international law and practice, and to exchange ambassadors as speedily as possible.

5. The Government of the People's Republic of China declares that in the interest of the friendship between the Chinese and the Japanese peoples, it renounces its demand for war reparation from Japan.

6. The Government of Japan and the Government of the People's Republic of China agree to establish relations of perpetual peace and friendship between the two countries on the basis of the principles of mutual respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity, mutual non-aggression, non-interference in each other's internal affairs, equality and mutual benefit and peaceful co-existence.

The two Governments confirm that, in conformity with the foregoing principles and the principles of the Charter of the United Nations, Japan and China shall in their mutual relations settle all disputes by peaceful means and shall refrain from the use or threat of force.

7. The normalization of relations between Japan and China is not directed against any third country. Neither of the two countries should seek hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region and each is opposed to efforts by any other country or group of countries to establish such hegemony.

8. The Government of Japan and the Government of the People's Republic of China have agreed that, with a view to solidifying and developing the relations of peace and friendship between the two countries, the two Governments will enter into negotiations for the purpose of concluding a treaty of peace and friendship.

9. The Government of Japan and the Government of the People's Republic of China have agreed that, with a view to further promoting relations between the two countries and to expanding interchanges of people, the two Governments will, as necessary and taking account of the existing non-governmental arrangements, enter into negotiations for the purpose of concluding agreements concerning such matters as trade, shipping, aviation, and fisheries.

Then years later, Japan-China relationship became this:

^^^^^ Thats the former CCP Secretary and Japan Prime Minister in Beijing.

So who welcomed who back?

Let me remind you again an important statement that China has made in the 1972 Japan-China joint communique:

“The Government of the People's Republic of China declares that in the interest of the friendship between the Chinese and the Japanese peoples, it renounces its demand for war reparation from Japan.”

Like what I said before, be careful of how you troll because it can just backfire on you.

@mike2000 is back

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

It is easier to overlook the past, since we are the winner of the war.

Look, chinese are still crying to Nanking rape until today, why? because they could do nothing, but just cry and wait the Soviet's red army came to free them...

 

[Beast]

We worship them? HAHAHAHA


You used old history to paint the modern present period? LOL

Vietnamese is desperate. They continue in self denial becos China now is too strong for them.

 

[xunzi]

Vietnamese is desperate. They continue in self denial becos China now is too strong for them.

I don't get this Vietnamese. They got pray Agent Orange. Not only did they forget the suffering of their people, they even embrace it. Strange.

 

[William Hung]

Ok, we are in the 70s. So now Vietnam is a whore to US and Japan. We have passed that period.

Actually, I have never said that China nor VN have been/are a lapdog or a whore. I dont even consider South Korea and Japan to be a lapdog of anyone.

The joke is on you for saying with your own mouth that your country was a whore and a lapdog of US/Japan from the 70s.

You used old history to paint the modern present period? LOL

Answer me this first, do you also consider your country to be a whore and a lapdog of Japan/US in the 70s/80s??? seems like you are agreeing with @Beast on this.

 

[Beast]

Actually, I have never said that China nor VN have been/are a lapdog or a whore. I dont even consider South Korea and Japan to be a lapdog of anyone.

The joke is on you for saying with your own mouth that your country was a whore and a lapdog of US/Japan from the 70s.



Answer me this first, do you also consider your country to be a whore and a lapdog of Japan/US in the 70s/80s??? seems like you are agreeing with @Beast on this.

Your trick is old. If you say vietnam is not whore. Automatically, China is not. Do you want to flip back and take a look at what I wrote? As I say Vietnamese is desperate of the wide gap between China and vietnam. Desperate measure, desperate time. If I am vietnamese, I too will be desperate and have low esteem which result in using small trick and cheap underhand method like smearing and whoring. But thankfully, I am not vietnamese.

 

[William Hung]

Your trick is old. If you say vietnam is not whore. Automatically, China is not.

Ummm, thats exactly what I’ve just said previously, I don’t consider China to be a whore. Where have I ever said China was a whore? I don’t even consider South Korea or Japan to be a whore.

It is you who have said previously that China was a whore in the 70s.

Do you want to flip back and take a look at what I wrote?

In post #32, you said your country was a whore back in the 70s.

As I say Vietnamese is desperate of the wide gap between China and vietnam. Desperate measure, desperate time. If I am vietnamese, I too will be desperate and have low esteem. But thankfully, I am not.

I don’t even understand what you are trying to say here. This thread was about VN and Monsanto, nothing to do with China. But then a few Chinese jumped in anyway to talk about VN being US lapdog, then you joined in to talk about being whore. Then you said your country was a whore in the 70s. So what is this got to do with Vietnamese self-esteem?

If anything, it is you that has a low self-esteem problem for calling your country a whore in the 70s.

 

[Beast]

It is you who have said previously that China was a whore in the 70s.



In post #32, you said your country was a whore back in the 70s.

You are slandering me, do you want to quote what I wrote? I didn't expect you stood to such low level. Pity you

I don’t even understand what you are trying to say here. This thread was about VN and Monsanto, nothing to do with China. But then a few Chinese jumped in anyway to talk about VN being US lapdog, then you joined in to talk about being whore. Then you said your country was a whore in the 70s. So what is this got to do with Vietnamese self-esteem?

If anything, it is you with a low self-esteem problem for calling your country a whore in the 70s.

So you are one of them joining in to accusing others of name calling and whoring? Aren't you guilty too and your desperate low hand method of accusing China of whoring makes you a guilty party. And why would I need to have low self esteem when China is a world sport powerhouse with many world record and gold medals. A technology powerhouse like fastest super computer in the world and the world second largest economy with largest foreign forex reserve. You mean I shall have low self esteem compare to vietnam current statistic?

 

[William Hung]

You are slandering me, do you want to quote what I wrote? I didn't expect you stood to such low level. Pity you

In post #32, you quoted this post/question of mine:

Oh, so this is not only about being a lapdog, but also being a whore as well?

So, you still need to make the same choice. If you say VN is becaming a whore to the US now, does this mean that China also became a whore to the US and Japan from the 70s after what they have done to your soldiers and people in WWII and Korean War?? Make your choice.

Then you replied in the same post #32 by saying yes your country was a whore:

Ok, we are in the 70s. So now Vietnam is a whore to US and Japan. We have passed that period.

So clearly you answered my question to say that China was a whore in 70s. This is your own assertion, not mine.

So you are one of them joining in to accusing others of name calling and whoring? Aren't you guilty too and your desperate low hand method of accusing China of whoring makes you a guilty party....blah blah blah

No, I have not accused China or anyone of being a whore or anything. I have just simply reminded you and your compatriots that what VN is currently doing, China has also done the same thing in the past. So to call VN a whore or lapdog is also to say China was being a whore or lapdog in the past. I just asked you guys to make your decision on this.

And your decision, as per post #32, is to call your country a whore in the 70s.

Clearly you have some short term memory problem and I think I’m just wasting my time here.

 

[Beast]

In post #32, you quoted this post/question of mine:



Then you replied in the same post #32 by saying that your was a so:



So clearly you answered my question to say that China was a whore in 70s. This is your assertion, not mine.



No, I have not accused China or anyone of being a whore or anything. I have just simply reminded you and your compatriots that what VN is currently doing, China has also done the same thing in the past. So to call VN a whore or lapdog is also to call China a whore or lapdog in the past. I just asked you guys to make your decision on this.

And your decision, as per post #32, is to call your country a whore in the 70s.

You called that as evidence of I say China is a whore? I say we are in the 70s, meaning still under Maos time. and I claimed we have passed that times of mao's era. What does that got to do with the evidence of falsely accusation you throw at me? I did not say China is whore and you are the one trying hard to push that accusation on China and now you falsely accuse me?

Mr vietnamese, I expect better than you but I think I was wrong. Your low hand method of falsely accusing me is such a degrade of your own character and speak more or less of your low self esteem. Lol...

 

[William Hung]

You called that as evidence of I say China is a whore? I say we are in the 70s, meaning still under Maos time....blah blah blah

lol you are desperately trying to escape from the schit you got yourself into. Dont you feel embarassed?

Your post, number #32, is there clearly for everyone with a brain to see what you were saying.

Clearly, you were saying in response to my post that “OK, we are whores in the 70s.”

not,

“OK, we are still under Maos time in the 70s.”

Your post #32 is clear for everyone to see. LOL you are so desperate to rat your way out. I will end our conversation here to stop you from further embarrassing yourself.