Ancient Pakistan - Kharosthi Script

[t_for_talli]

There is nothing in common I have with my grandad. He spoke another language, he was iliterate, he was religious, he was farmer, he wore other clothes, he never went beyond confines of village. Me - I am opposite of him in every conceivable way. But he is still my grandad and I would say "fcuk" to any Gangoo telling me otherwise.

Got the point? If I have have strayed from my grandad's ways it's no business of some Ganga from Bihar or Dravid from Chennai to start sniffing on my heritage. Go find the deeds of your own ancestors.

Again you are comparing tangible things, moreover i never said exact similarity but a reflection on way of life

another pakistani will identify that you are from pakistan or specific province based on how you speak/ wear/ behave/ eat/ likings/ not necessary to have ticks at all attributes.

Bottom line is Assets can be captured / conquered / passed on to any one, culture reflects in way of life
And there is nothing common between IVC and current day Pakistan

Vatican / Pope is leads Christianity not Syrians or Assad,
Momgolic culture has nothing common to people in subcontinent with Khan surname ,
Present Indians have nothing to do with Kung fu even though Sholin temple founder was Indian,

 

[SarthakGanguly]

The followers of the OTF(TM) always cut the noses off.

Namoh Vishnu

Panini the great Sanskrit writer was born in and did his work in Gandhara region next to Indus River

True. The western provinces shall be reclaimed by the Glorious resurgent Vedic kingdom in the coming decades.

And 99.9% of Indian's don't even speak Sanskrit.

It is sad that the former Western Provinces are totally forgetting their ancient superior language and faith. It needs to be promoted.

 

[My-Analogous]

Having consonants like Ka, Cha, Ta, Pa very much implies that it is child language born out of Sanskrit.

This is same for all Subcontinent languages even as they use different scripts.

Come on, do some research before posting anything. Sanskrit starting date is 2 B.C not 2500 B.C. May be sanskrith come from that language not Kharosthi. Not everything is vedic my friend.

 

[Al-zakir]

Mod's Can delete if they wish,


Agreed East Pakistan. Now Bangladesh

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Please keep us out of your nonsense. We are not part of this debate. You settle this with your Indian counterpart.

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[TMA]

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My point is Panini gave Sanskrit not Arabic or Persian. Hence we claim legacy to Panini on the other hand you gave up everything that he created in both letter and spirit.

No we did not give up everything. Just by accepting another faith, one does not give up his heritage.

Alaxander the great also went on a road trip from Greece and still Pakistan was intact and remained in his empire as well

So technically speaking regions we call Pakistan were at one point part of Persian Empire then Alexander's Greek Empire (which obviously was short lived after his death)

Some people claim that the Kalash people are some of the remenants of Soldiers that came with Alexander the great and they were left over and later just forgot to go back
One of tribes in Pakistan

Member of Pakistan's ancient tribes perhaps who may be connected to the soldiers / forces that came with Mecedonian Alexander the great. In old times when a region was won, the Victor Commander would leave his subordinate incharge of region and then either return home or continue journey to next city after a resting period

The bigger point I wanted to make is that Pakistan/Iran/Iraq/Syria/Egypt/Palestine/Turkey all have shared universal borders with multiple empires in past so it was common they were all citizen of same empire (same passport etc)


I loved to know the old history specially if it belong to Pakistan. Now it's quite understandable to me that almost whole territory of Pakistan was governed by Persians Empire (550 BC). Persians humbly allowed other religions to grow in Pakistan/Afghanistan territory, Jewish 10th forgotten tribe also traveled in Pakistan/Afghanistan and latter accepted Islam in our territory. After that Alexander the Great invaded Persia & Persian Empire was collapsed, Alexander also captured Indian Land But latter gifted to Ambhi (vedantist) but under Alexander rule. after the death of Alexander many nation formed newly territories including Afghanistan and India formed the newly territories but India was merged with Pakistan (part of Persian Empire) and this region was called Indus Civilization. because Alexander Gifted to vedantist so Raja Dahir (663 – 712 AD) Hindu ruled on majority Persian land (Pakistan Majority of Persian then vedantist) along with their own Indian Land (Baharat). after that Arab Leader Mohammad Bin Qasim conquered from Sindh (711 AD) and finally got victory within a year. and we Pakistani are being taught about Mohammad Bin Qasim era but not the whole history.

We should teach the whole history about our land so that we can understand our territory better.

here i got three points.

1. Our ancestor have been living in our territory (Pakistan) Since Indus Civilization was formed which mainly contain Afghanistan-Pakistan-India. but the part of Persian Empire Afghanistan & Pakistan majority latter accepted the Islam.

2. we mainly/mostly belong to almost all phenotype and genotype except few African and Chinese (all form). we had upper cast Ancestors although we dont believe on cast system according to Islam there should not be a upper or lower casts but only taqwa

3. A person who lived near Indus valley (mostly Muslims) Geographically was started to call Indians/Hindu due to Raja Dahir Government which was actual Pakistan on the other side it was Baharat the actual Land for vedantist.

But it got me confuse here that why Indians linked Hindu name with Religion. because Hindu means a person who live near Indus valley which is Pakistan now, and Pakistan Root was Persia not baharat. so India should be called Vedantist rather then Hindu.

In short Kashmir belong to Indus valley it is integral part of Pakistan no doubt about it.

Or "India" should be called Gangia.

 

[Nexus]

^ And western Pakistan Khorasan ?

I guess the Egyptians can't claim the Pyramids and their cultural artifacts as their own now? Do you know certain ancient Chinese practices and the old Han clothing were preserved by Japan, does it mean those are not Chinese heritage? The same goes for Pakistan, they are the inheritors of the IVC, not India, just because they don't believe in idol worshiping, doesn't make them less native than you. In Shang dynasty, we sacrificed servants with the Kings, we don't do it now, does it mean I am not Chinese? Religion and civilization are two different things, religion is a part of civilization, you may change your religion but not your civilization.

My village have 22 major and Monor SSC sites in diameter of 100kms. including kyoto and New york/London of Ancient India.

i suggest you to stick to chinese section untill you get proper knoledge of Indian History.

 

[Narcissist]

"c. 189 AD: Demetrius succeeds his father Euthydemus and proceeds to the conquest of Gandhara, the Panjab an the Indus Valley. He makes his capital at Taxila."

page 41, A Guide to Taxila by John Marshall

Can't find this one. I have the book open. It talks briefly about Demetrius taking the land, never mentions it becoming the capital.

As for the 1st one, those are the indo-scythians. That was a regional capital, not a kingdom capital. They had 3 capitals...

 

[Kambojaric]

Can't find this one. I have the book open. It talks briefly about Demetrius taking the land, never mentions it becoming the capital.

As for the 1st one, those are the indo-scythians. That was a regional capital, not a kingdom capital. They had 3 capitals...

"c. 189 AD: Demetrius succeeds his father Euthydemus and proceeds to the conquest of Gandhara, the Panjab an the Indus Valley. He makes his capital at Taxila."

https://books.google.se/books?id=JE...lley. He makes his capital at Taxila.&f=false

Another excerpt

"In Taxila, the capital of Gandhara, it would appear that the Indo-Greek Apollodotos II (ca. 85-65) acceded to power, but his relationship to Maues is not known. "

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/indo-scythian-dynasty-1

As for the Indo-Scythians, fair enough, yet a capital Taxila still remains.

 

[Mian Babban]

LOL!! Taxila? WTF? The capital was initially Charssadda, and during the Kushans (i.e. only it's golden era) the capital was moved to Peshawar. For most of Gandhara's history, the capital was Peshawar. It was never Taxila.

Taxila was a part of Gandhara (but also the Mauryan empire), but to claim it was the capital is stealing heritage and lying about the past. If you want to lie to yourself, be my guest. But some people come here thinking a long winded diatribe is indicative of intellectual authority. Such is certainly not necessary, and flaws should be pointed out. The sad part is, the rest of the opening post was pretty decent. The location of capital was way off the mark though. Not to mention there was no mention of Peshawar. It destroys the value of the entire initial post.

I wonder why he omitted word Hashtnagar (charsadda) from the caption of the following picture. It runs as "The Indo-Greek Hashtnagar Pedestal symbolizes bodhisattva and ancient Kharosthi script".

 

[Srinivas]

So? Sanskrit and Avestan (Iranian) are sister languages. What is the upshot of this? Sanskrit moved from Indus region into Ganga. Not the other way around. Panini the great Sanskrit writer was born in and did his work in Gandhara region next to Indus River not too far from Taxila and modern capital of Pakistan, Islamabad. So I don't understand what your "implies" means in this context.

No. Dravidian languages do not have root in Sanskrit and you should know that.

It was the trade routes that spread the wisdom from India to Central Asia. Not the other way around. The fact that there is no similar civilization or great sanskrit works in Central Asia proves this point.

Kharosti was used from 3 rd century B.C to 3 rd century A.D, when compared to Brahmi script this is a short period of time. BRahmi predates Kharosti, there is evidence in srilanka that as early as 6th B.C this script is being used. Kharosti and Brahmi has commonality.

In the past Pakistani scholars tried hard to make a separate identity but failed.

 

[StraightShooter]

Come on, do some research before posting anything. Sanskrit starting date is 2 B.C not 2500 B.C. May be sanskrith come from that language not Kharosthi. Not everything is vedic my friend.

Mahabharata (Dvapara Yuga) goes back to ~5000 BCE while Ramayana (Treta Yuga) goes back to ~10,000 BCE. Sanskrit is even older than these historical events going back all the way to Satya yuga

Panini just documented the grammar rules of Sanskrit. He did not create Sanskrit.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

when compared to Brahmi script this is a short period of time.

Good for you. Go celebrate Brahmi. This thread is about Gandhara region of Ancient Pakistan and Kharosthi script. Why are you getting constipated?

Not interested about your India. No go and take a Puja in your Ganga.

 

[Srinivas]

Good for you. Go celebrate Brahmi. This thread is about Gandhara region of Ancient Pakistan and Kharosthi script. Why are you getting constipated?

Not interested about your India. No go and take a Puja in your Ganga.

I am not talking about whether you are interested in India or not, non of my business.

I am only pointing to the history. Talking of pakistan , there is a term called 'east of Indus and west of indus'. East of Indus is always under influence of Bharat, where as west of Indus is under the influence of Bharat and Persia.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I am not talking about whether you are interested in India or not, non of my business.

I am only pointing to the history. Talking of pakistan , there is a term called 'east of Indus and west of indus'. East of Indus is always under influence of Bharat, where as west of Indus is under the influence of Bharat and Persia.

And the backass side of the Moon was also under Bharat's influence. You do know I do read. English happens to be almost my primary language. I have access vast number of books. Now tell me where it says "Bharat had influence on east of Indus". And don't give me some faggoty Hindutwa Wiki articles. Or books written by Indian nationalists which claim that Maratha's took over all the way to Attock when I busted one of your countrymen by using his own source which showed Marathas only took over for 15 months the country east of Chenab.

Anyway gave me some primary sources that estanblishes your claim about this (i) Bharat (ii) that it held sway on east banl of Indus. And I reiterate do not give me some hocus pocus Hindu scripture as referance - please.

 

[Srinivas]

And the backass side of the Moon was also under Bharat's influence. You do know I do read. English happens to be almost my primary language. I have access vast number of books. Now tell me where it says "Bharat had influence on east of Indus". And don't give me some faggoty Hindutwa Wiki articles. Or books written by Indian nationalists which claim that Maratha's took over all the way to Attock when I busted one of your countrymen by using his own source which showed Marathas only took over for 15 months the country east of Chenab.

Anyway gave me some primary sources that estanblishes your claim about this (i) Bharat (ii) that it held sway on east banl of Indus. And I reiterate do not give me some hocus pocus Hindu scripture as referance - please.

You read the actual history not your 'pakistan studies'.