Ancient historical sites in Syria destroyed by the Al-Assad terror regime

[al-Hasani]

I know what are u saying man. We all when comes to PDF become nutts

I have visited some Saudi Shia and Sunnis in Iran and really welcomed and respected them like Iraqis Arabs.

The Saudis women that I have seen in Iran are so veiled and men are pretty handsome.




He has two sisters. Other than PDF he has a big heart. lol

I actually have 3 sisters, mate. 2 of them older sisters. Is that what you were referring to? Anyway this is not important and none of them are in Denmark. I am sure @ResurgentIran will be fine anyway.

Well, Iranian pilgrims are one of the biggest pilgrim groups in KSA and I would love to see more interaction between locals and pilgrims from all over the world. I like the new initiatives of welcoming pilgrims with cultural custom (dances, sweets etc.) in cultural attire (Hijazi turbans and clothing etc.). To be honest with you then the Iranians I have known were good people. There have not been any problems. Here in Denmark most Arabs and Iranians get along. The only ones that don't are those on two opposites (very religious and anti-religion etc.) but I feel that this is bound in misconceptions.

PDF and such heated internet forums really turn people into lunatics. I often can't recognize myself after such nonsense discussions and regret taking part whenever it happens.

You're just biased towards me (in the sense that you like me extra) because I am fellow Hejazi

Jeg har det rigtig skidt. Sindsygt meget at läse
LOL

But it is ancient is it not, LOL. No, because I believe that you are a good person. I like you in other words. We should really stop those compliments but even when we had some heated discussions I never felt that you really meant it and I hope that you did neither. We always became "friends" right away anyway.

Oh, det samme med mig. My Danish is improving as you can see here In fact I have been slagging of late. I might get a study job (do not know what it is called in English or Danish) at a local chemistry firm here. It's a international firm with many people from across the world. It would be a good thing academically. Hope you are doing well at the hospital. Winter is arriving. Will be tough! The metro rides will be interesting! Mate, do you have a metro in Aarhus? Silly question I know but I do not know.

 

[MoshteAhani]

I have always said that the ME deserve better leaders everywhere. Compared to the leaders in Europe and the West (who are neither perfect believe me - I have lived half of my life in the West) then they are almost "saints". Our people deserve better. I could write entire books dealing with this topic but I don't want to offend anyone here, nor other Arabs or compatriots who might disagree with me politically. So I usually keep a distance unless I encounter serious discussions. Me and @Hazzy997 have had very long discussions about the visions of the region and I have discussed this with other users too.

The Syrian issue is complex but the way I see it is that Al-Assad has lost his legitimacy after what he has done. Before this conflict I had nothing against Al-Assad and if he was not doing all those crimes that he has been doing I would not have objected to his rule. The Al-Assad family actually had close ties with the House of Saud and there have even been intermarriages which you can read about if you do some research. Not that I care to be honest with you it just shows that relations were cordial.

I do not consider radicals such as ISIS and others to be representatives of the Syrian opposition. I am not sure if you know it but ISIS has been killing FSA for close to 2 years now. Anyway it is a complex situation and I do not think that we will agree politically. I just don't understand how you can support Al-Assad? I mean what is the problem with letting the Syrians decide? Let them make a coalition government. All I care about is a peaceful Syria so I can visit it again and so its problems are not going to spread to nearby countries (KSA, Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, Jordan etc.) that would make our region even more bloody and problematic. We don't need that.

For all I care let the Christians Arabs or Assyrians rule Syria. As long as peace prevails and they start from a fresh. They deserve that.

@MOHSENAM mate please delete your posts. We made peace now and we all agreed about it being a silly and unnecessary discussion as usual. We already proven that we can have serious discussions despite some political differences and misunderstandings.

I agree that Syria deserves to start from fresh and no country (even the Western ones) deserve a monarchy, its just based on one family which is wrong.

When it comes to Assad we Iranians think the alternative to Assad will be much much worse... regarding Iran.
We fear that the resistance bloc we have formed around Israel will simply crumble because the newly Syrian gov will then give too much concession to Israel and be a obstacle for the anti Israeli groups over there.

If the resistance blocs around Israel crumbles then our lines of defence will be pushed back which is dangerous for our mainland... i think you know what i am talking about.

If we get guarantees from the newly Syrian government that it wouldnt be a obstacle for anti Israeli movements then we can let Assad fall.

 

[MOHSENAM]

Well, Iranian pilgrims are one of the biggest pilgrim groups in KSA.

They are much religious.

Some of Saudis think that we worship anyone except Allah, but in fact we love Imams who are Ahlulbait.

Allah really loves that we love Prophet "Muhammad [pbuh]" and his family.

 

[ResurgentIran]

I actually have 3 sisters, mate. 2 of them older sisters. Is that what you were referring to? Anyway this is not important and none of them are in Denmark. I am sure @ResurgentIran will be fine anyway.

Well, Iranian pilgrims are one of the biggest pilgrim groups in KSA and I would love to see more interaction between locals and pilgrims from all over the world. I like the new initiatives of welcoming pilgrims with cultural custom (dances, sweets etc.) in cultural attire (Hijazi turbans and clothing etc.). To be honest with you then the Iranians I have known were good people. There have not been any problems. Here in Denmark most Arabs and Iranians get along. The only ones that don't are those on two opposites (very religious and anti-religion etc.) but I feel that this is bound in misconceptions.

PDF and such heated internet forums really turn people into lunatics. I often can't recognize myself after such nonsense discussions and regret taking part whenever it happens.



But it is ancient is it not, LOL. No, because I believe that you are a good person. I like you in other words. We should really stop those compliments but even when we had some heated discussions I never felt that you really meant it and I hope that you did neither.

Oh, det samme med mig. My Danish is improving as you can see here In fact I have been slagging of late. I might get a study job (do not know what it is called in English or Danish) at a local chemistry firm here. It's a international firm with many people from across the world. It would be a good thing academically. Hope you are doing job at the hospital. Winter is arriving. Will be tough!

No I dont mean those things I say.
Sometimes I even feel bad afterwards (even if its just internet), after saying mean stuff. Im a softie lol

 

[MOHSENAM]

Bed needs me, See u u freinds.

 

[al-Hasani]

They are much religious.

The Iranians that arrive are indeed religious. But religious or not we must look at the values of people. I have no problem with atheists or whatever people believe in as long as they are good people. Of course what is "good" have different interpretations but hopefully you get what I mean.

Personally I have not been pleased with the interaction between locals and foreigners in recent years. There have been too little. This is why I am happy about the new initiatives and I hope it will expand and continue for long. Today you have 2 million pilgrims so it is very difficult and it is all mechanic (unfortunately) in many ways but this is the reality of our modern world. Not long ago (when my father was still young (he was born in the early 1950's) people of both Makkah and Madinah were hosting pilgrims in their own homes and sometimes for WEEKS! Because the pilgrimage was such a huge thing for pilgrims arriving as far as Indonesia etc. It was often the trip of your lifetime. Literary speaking. Many also chose to stay and this is why Makkah is one of the most diverse places on earth. As I told you there are also people of Persian and Iranian ancestry and every other imaginable ancestry. Some of the descendants of Sahih al-Bukhari (ra) live in Hijaz for instance. Same with those of Salman al-Farsi (ra). Many local dishes also derive from Central Asia (rish dishes etc.)

@Mosamania should confirm what I say.

 

[ResurgentIran]

@al-Hasani

I really miss @Hazzy997
What about you?

 

[al-Hasani]

No I dont mean those things I say.
Sometimes I even feel bad afterwards (even if its just internet), after saying mean stuff. Im a softie lol

Same here as I wrote.

@al-Hasani

I really miss @Hazzy997
What about you?

Of course. I don't agree with everything when it comes to @Hazzy997 (mostly the Muslim Brotherhood and how they conducted themselves in Egypt and in some countries) but he is very much like us in many ways. A good-hearted but also emotional person. I think that he was judged unfairly by some. I get the impression that he deeply cares about Islam and our region and hopes for the best. A lot of good users have disappeared. But we all will that eventually.

Saudis and Iranians are bound to put their differences aside eventually, we are geographical neighbours and both of us are here to stay for as long as earth and humans are here, things just got a bit out of hand with the 1979 fiascos, the Iranian revolution coupled with the Saudi socio-political solution for the grand mosque seizure both were devastating for the region.

I don't know enough about the internal politics of Iran so I won't comment on the issue, but at least in Saudi Arabia the religious situation is being reversed, and in a big way. A more lax and liberal government and society is going to be the outcome in KSA in 10 years time at maximum. I hope by that time this whole Sunni-Shia none sense is resolved.

Very well written Mosab. Not sure about the religion aspect that you have written about (obviously the clergy will have to reform on some areas) but I also know that you have your views about religion which I respect. I know that faults have been made and I do not agree with everything but KSA becoming atheist is very unlikely in our lifetime if ever. That's also fine. The problems are some other. What is certain is that it cannot be much worse than it is now. No, I don't ever think that KSA or the GCC as a whole will enter a war with Iran. Not really any reason to do so other than destroy each other for no reason.

 

[ResurgentIran]

Same here as I wrote.



Of course. I don't agree with everything when it comes to @Hazzy997 (mostly the Muslim Brotherhood and how they conducted themselves in Egypt and in some countries) but he is very much like us in many ways. A good-hearted but also emotional person. I think that he was judged unfairly by some. I get the impression that he deeply cares about Islam and our region and hopes for the best. A lot of good users have disappeared. But we all will that eventually.



Exactly. Not sure about the religion aspect that you have written about (obviously the clergy will have to reform on some areas) but I also know that you have your views about religion which I respect. What is certain is that it cannot be much worse than it is now. No, I don't ever think that KSA or the GCC as a whole will enter a war with Iran. Not really any reason to do so other than destroy each other for no reason.

Yeah Hazzy997, even though I disagreed with him on many issues (like MB), had guts to stand up for his beliefs. Even if he got into trouble with almost everyone LOL
I hope his ban is not permanent and he comes back.
He made this forum way more exciting. He was a good friend also

 

[dexter]

@al-Hasani Brother nice post
Now i understand how Syria nad Iraq will go to the hands of Other party before arrival of Imam Mahdi (R.A).

 

[Chak Bamu]

How do you give a positive rating? And I dont mean the "thanks" button, but what you did with al-Hasani's post.
There is no option to do it, as far as I can see.

That is an option available to title-holders (mods, TTC, TTA, Professionals, etc...) There is a vetting process and if a poster qualifies, they get a title. One has to be knowledgeable, exhibit good on-line behavior, have good analytical skills, etc....

There are a number of non-Pakistanis who have these privileges. Most people from ME section are interested in quarrels and fights, so they disqualify themselves. Serpentine can give positive or negative ratings because he is an International Mod. So can Kaan. They are moderators of Iranian and Turkish sections respectively. A good number of Chinese and Indians have titles. We have Japanese, Indonesian, and Caribbean title-holders too.

Anyone reasonably intelligent can become a title-holder. Its just a matter or self-discipline, temperament, and interest.

 

[ResurgentIran]

Anyone reasonably intelligent can become a title-holder. Its just a matter or self-discipline, temperament, and interest.

Then Im out. LOL

 

[Chak Bamu]

@al-Hasani Brother nice post
Now i understand how Syria nad Iraq will go to the hands of Other party before arrival of Imam Mahdi (R.A).

Brother if you are in that "Dajjal and Imam Mehdi" phase, I urge you to put it behind you. Its no use discussing it on this forum. This is not a religion-based forum. These ideals have no practical application. We have to use our heads, and not books.

Please post something relevant to this thread, if you can.

 

[al-Hasani]

Yeah Hazzy997, even though I disagreed with him on many issues (like MB), had guts to stand up for his beliefs. Even if he got into trouble with everyone LOL
I hope his ban is not permanent and he comes back.
He made this forum way more exciting. He was a good friend also

Yes, exactly. What I liked is the same thing you say. It's also something I try to do. Have my own views. This also gets me in trouble, LOL. We have discussed the MB and Egypt many times and we agree with the fundamentals. He basically wants Islam to be a part of life and believes that political parties based on Islam can do a better job than the secular dictators of that part of the world (Egypt, West Bank government etc.) which I kind of understand. Where are differences begin is how to include those that do not necessarily agree. Again in the ME (regardless of whatever political group we talk about) it is either my way or the highway. There is no tradition of compromises. Hence the extreme. But we want the same aspirations for the people of the region. More direct participation, less corruption, more justice etc.

People in KSA and Iran who have experienced religious rules basically (both ironically since 1979 mostly) due to the Iranian Revolution and the Grand Mosque Seizure in 1979 (rules change dramatically in KSA and this is from this moment onwards that you find some of the laws that I consider outright idiotic in KSA) sort of know life before and after Islam. 120 year ago the ME was basically the same everywhere more or less politically speaking. The law was religious and people were mostly apolitical and how some of our peasants are to this day. Later came European political influences such as nationalism, socialism etc. and the first parliaments etc. emerged. I wish that a lot of things changed in KSA but at the same time I am also realistic and know that Islam is not the problem.

This idiotic and shameful law that prohibits women from driving has for instance nothing to do with Islam and I do not understand why it is still out there. Same with other dumb laws. But does that mean that I want to go "all French Revolution" tomorrow and change the society totally? No, not really. I believe in moderation, improvement (constant) and dialogue. I think that you have similar aspirations. Secular or not let the people decide.

 

[Mosamania]

Exactly. Not sure about the religion aspect that you have written about (obviously the clergy will have to reform on some areas) but I also know that you have your views about religion which I respect. What is certain is that it cannot be much worse than it is now. No, I don't ever think that KSA or the GCC as a whole will enter a war with Iran. Not really any reason to do so other than destroy each other for no reason.

The current clergy form is unsustainable, and there is a lot of disdain from the inside towards them, you do know how the vast majority of the Saudi population currently view Al-Mutawa as of course, especially with the whole Daesh situation they have lost a lot of power and support from both people and government, Minister of Education is currently in the process of eliminating them whole sale from the educational process, because a civil society has never ever been a religious society, and the reasons to eliminate them from the education process and in essence distance them from Saudi society and religious brainwashing is many folds.

The only reason the past way of clerical utopia even exist is due economical dependence on Oil, and if you want to change that you have to eliminate completely all forms of religious involvement in the decision making it is just common sense, you can't have people who still dispute wither the earth is flat or spherical (Al-Fozan *wink wink*) in high governmental positions. It is just down right insane. I for once do not accept a word such a person says, someone who apparently doesn't have the science knowledge of my little toe alone.

The clergy's death sentence was signed twice, once when the internet was allowed despite their continuous pleas to ban it, and the second signature was when King Abdullah ordered the Foreign Grant system in western countries which they opposed vehemently as well to the point where the organized armed resistances against "Western brainwashing of the young", and now the entire ISIS situation was the guillotine with which their execution is being carried out.