An open letter to the West from a Muslim!

[Hiptullha]

Never made any claim as that. I asked a question, answer to which I am yet to get. But I won't get that from you. I get that. Today is a good day, and I don't want to descend to a lower level to play on even terms.

Don't try to jump on a moral high horse, buddy. You have none. I've clearly stated my point in regards to your question. Right now it seems that political Islamists, Shias, Sunnis, socialists, leftists, and non-Muslims are being targeted by this monolithic oppressive Islamic entity you've conjured up.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Don't try to jump on a moral high horse, buddy. You have none. I've clearly stated my point in regards to your question. Right now it seems that political Islamists, Shias, Sunnis, socialists, leftists, and non-Muslims are being targeted by this monolithic oppressive Islamic entity you've conjured up.

I agree. Morality and the horses that come free with it are the exclusive monopoly of you.

 

[Hiptullha]

I agree. Morality and the horses that come free with it are the exclusive monopoly of you.

It's amusing seeing you respond to the irrelevant part of my posts then chastising me for not answering your questions.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

It's amusing seeing you respond to the irrelevant part of my posts then chastising me for not answering your questions.

No problem. The pleasure is all mine.

 

[Hiptullha]

No problem. The pleasure is all mine.

Good banter we're having.

 

[Pride]

When US/UK and their cronies like Israel/India do meddling in other countries affairs, it is strategic interests, when the Muslim countries do the same, it is terrorism.

Nobody in above mentioned countries shout Religious slogans when they meddle. It is only you or your Ummah brother do it so yes that is terrorism of different level.

 

[doppelganger]

It's funny because most of the immigrants in the West right now were invited in the 1960s (specifically countries like UK and Germany) due to labour shortages whereas the US and Western coalition stepped in Iraq and Afghanistan. You're comparing two completely different things.

I am not debating the right or wrong of it, but the reality.

Reality #1 - Muslims the world over are inching closer to the point of becoming persona non grata in their adoptive Western lands. Worst case scenario, German and Polish Jews of modern times.

Do you refute this assertion of mine?

Reality #2 - Even if Western countries do start driving muslim immigrants from their lands, either legally through legislation, or at a societal level via a xenophobic purge, it would still not stop them from encroaching on your lands or interfering in your affairs as they are doing today. You have oil. They want your oil. Simple. Once your oil is over, they will leave you to do what you want. Not a day before that. So there is not going to be a quid pro quo in terms of a mutual hands off. They will cleanse their lands of you, and keep up their presence in yours, maybe even more so.

Do you see this as remotely implausible?

 

[Hiptullha]

Reality #1 - Muslims the world over are inching closer to the point of becoming persona non grata in their adoptive Western lands. Worst case scenario, German and Polish Jews of modern times.

If you have a bad feeling, it's because the media is stubbornly trying to portray any movement or party calling for immigration control as anti-Islamic, pro-Nazi, and pro-fascist. No one dislikes Muslims, they dislike the spineless government incapable of doing anything about terrorists and increasing numbers of asylum seekers.

I was being spoonfed that UKIP was a racist and exclusionist party which hated my type. After watching several debates, I had learnt that Nigel Farage was more strongly opposed to European immigration than immigration from Pakistan or Bangladesh,

Reality #2 - Even if Western countries do start driving muslim immigrants from their lands, either legally through legislation, or at a societal level via a xenophobic purge, it would still not stop them from encroaching on your lands or interfering in your affairs as they are doing today. You have oil. They want your oil. Simple. Once your oil is over, they will leave you to do what you want. Not a day before that. So there is not going to be a quid pro quo in terms of a mutual hands off. They will cleanse their lands of you, and keep up their presence in yours, maybe even more so.

That, I agree with.

 

[doppelganger]

If you have a bad feeling, it's because the media is stubbornly trying to portray any movement or party calling for immigration control as anti-Islamic, pro-Nazi, and pro-fascist. No one dislikes Muslims, they dislike the spineless government incapable of doing anything about terrorists and increasing numbers of asylum seekers.

I was being spoonfed that UKIP was a racist and exclusionist party which hated my type. After watching several debates, I had learnt that Nigel Farage was more strongly opposed to European immigration than immigration from Pakistan or Bangladesh

Europeans problem with Islam is not from the subcontinent. Cant say the same for the UK though, but Europe is different, has always been different.

The point is, the world is seeing a muslim problem. The world is not seeing a African muslim or a Middle Eastern Muslim or a Subcontinental muslim or an Indonesian muslim or a European muslim problem. It is seeing a muslim problem.

When one single faith, across race and ethnicity and nationality and color and creed, across continental divides, gets the sort of bad press that yours is getting, forget the reasons or the motivations, then soon there develops a swell of resentment and suspicion against the faith as a whole, not against specific groups of people.

That is when everyone gets painted with the same brush.

And what contributes to this is that muslims themselves see themselves as a single people first, nationalities and races and language groups next. A distant next.

So the world also buys into that narrative. And reacts in the same vein.

 

[Hiptullha]

The point is, the world is seeing a muslim problem. The world is not seeing a African muslim or a Middle Eastern Muslim or a Subcontinental muslim or an Indonesian muslim or a European muslim problem. It is seeing a muslim problem.


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Perhaps. But you're going down an awfully long slippery slope. From Muslims being seen as a problem (figures like Le Pen and Geert Wilders, while expressing negativity about Islam have made it clear that Muslims are not a problem), to being the next Jews of Europe is absurd.

 

[doppelganger]

Perhaps. But you're going down an awfully long slippery slope. From Muslims being seen as a problem (figures like Le Pen and Geert Wilders, while expressing negativity about Islam have made it clear that Muslims are not a problem), to being the next Jews of Europe is absurd.

It might sound as absurd now.

How do you think such a "slippery slope" would have sounded in pre 1939 Germany?

 

[Hiptullha]

How do you think such a "slippery slope" would have sounded in pre 1939 Germany?

You can't compare pre-1939 Germany with 2015 Europe.

 

[doppelganger]

You can't compare pre-1939 Germany with 2015 Europe.

People don't change.

Not in such a short time span.

Europe is still very much the same it has always been. Bosnia should have alerted the muslims to where things are moving.

 

[Hiptullha]

People don't change.

Not in such a short time span.

Europe is still very much the same it has always been. Bosnia should have alerted the muslims to where things are moving.

Bosnians were just a piece of the number of ethnic wars taking place in Yugoslavia.

 

[doppelganger]

Bosnians were just a piece of the number of ethnic wars taking place in Yugoslavia.

Is it any coincidence that some of the most virulent European muslim anarchy comes from that region?

Cause and effect. Which came first?