An Open Letter to Moderate Muslims

[Nefer]

The PKK i don't consider a terrorist organisation. The Turks may call them terrorists, but the Turks haven't exactly been friendly to the PKK either.

Perhaps you should blame muslim leaderships for the problems of muslims.

PKK = A Marxist Communist Ideology inspired movement. and saying the Turks haven't been exactly friendly to the PKK is PKK propaganda,

Spoiler alert: PKK was created by the Gladio, because they wanted fear in the turkish public

The government wasn't nice to anyone. except the White Turks which are basicly People who have abandoned everything what the turks hold value and accepted to be regional controllers for the british and with that hold the majority of money and controlled the government indirectly in cooperation with the British CROWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and USA.

Besides the White Turks(like 0.1% of the people) everyone was oppressed, there was even a time when the Quran was Forbidden in Turkey, because they didn't wanted the turks to get strong values, because when we got strong values we got strong brotherhood, when we got strong brotherhood we can concentrate alot and when we can concentrate alot europe won't like it because we won't let you control the middle east like you want too.

Kemalist != Muslim

Also we had to deal with the Gladio and now the hopefully their latest and most effective weapon they could have the Gülen Movement.

What history are you referring to? And how does history relate to the future, which i find the only important thing?

- Lawrence,
- Gladio which we got as a present which we didn't get told when we joined NATO, and o my how terrible that was
- Installing the middle east and Africa with dictators
- Supporting the Iran Coup because it didn't fit your interests.
- Orientalist spies which made sure that parents didn't send their daughters to school........ ow wait no that were the Russian Orientalist spies.

If Europe and USA kept their noses out of Turkey, than Turkey would now be a country at least as successful as Japan and there wouldn't be any problems like the PKK, the Middle East/North Africa would have been stable, IN TURKISH TERMS.

But if that were to Happen. you would have a Strong Turkish state, there would't be any immigrants from turkey to europe, because we all would have jobs in Turkey. And we wouldn't be having this conversation

 

[VCheng]

not several decades. less than a decade.Furthermore besides the fact that the prophet was reading the Quran in 7 different ahruf's(YES ALL OF THOSE AHRUFS ARE CORRECT INCASE YOU DONT KNOW THAT EITHER), but used 1 style primarily. So the committee which were all people which had the richest knowledge about it, have written the Quran down in this style because it came the to the prophet in this style, those other styles were thought by Cebrail later.

So when they had the Quran the all decided to remove the other scriptures, in order to make sure confusions like the SANA's Manuscript wouldn't happen, and all new copies were made from this Assembled Quran. In the end Allah protects the Quran from corruption like that one time the French tried it on the Algerians.

I really hope, that just because of the existence of the Sana's Manuscript you don't presume that the Quran has been corrupted. Like the other books, no sir there is an explanation for everything, if only people take their time and trouble to research and not to stick to their own bloody prejudice. I mean the stuff what I had to write is like Quran History 101

I absolutely respect the fact that Muslims believe in the Quran as the unchanged words from Allah as a religious tenet, and therefore any claims to the contrary cannot be rationally discussed.

 

[TankMan]

Your own Pakistan IS friendly towards the Taliban

Your idea of friendly is bombing them 24/7 and killing thousands of them?

 

[Nefer]

I absolutely respect the fact that Muslims believe in the Quran as the unchanged words from Allah as a religious tenet, and therefore any claims to the contrary cannot be rationally discussed.

Cool Story Bro

 

[Hiptullha]

Your own Pakistan IS friendly towards the Taliban, who launch attacks against them.

Operation Zarb-e-Azb?

Useless post.

The Turks, like the Spanish, have invited attacks on themselves by not granting groups like the Kurds (& Basques for the Spanish) the autonomy they deserve and crave.

That sort of logic is easy to twist. The US has invited attacks by terrorist organisations because it has refused to amend its questionable foreign policy. The Iraqi government has invited attacks upon itself because it has refused to include Sunnis in the government and instead chose to alienate them.

 

[VCheng]

Cool Story Bro

What story? My comment is simple and factual.

 

[nvKyleBrown]

Who or what is a moderate Muslim? If there be any such then there must be some non-moderate Muslim also. Nah, this is not Islam. A Muslim is a Muslim is a Muslim. He submits to the Message of Islam and follows the Holy Quora'n and Sharia. Our ENEMIES have introduced various ideas/ theories to confuse and divide us.

Oh, as a non-Muslim, I love this! /sarcasm

Seriously, you're going to blame non-Muslims for Shia-Sunni split, for your internal politics in Pakistan, for Muslims killing Muslims all over? Are you saying Muslims are so weak willed and inattentive to their own scriptures and beliefs that they are easily lead to killing each other? Non-Muslims mostly see your divisions as nonsensical. Its hard enough to understand what they are, let alone use them to divide you. Accept some responsibility for your own evils. Muslims killing Muslims is the fault of Muslims. Why?? the rest of us are still trying to figure that out. Iraq coming apart after 2003 was a huge shock to most of the Western world. You had the opportunity to live free, unmolested, and establish a free and prosperous country, and instead you started killing each other. Baffling to the rest of us.

 

[nvKyleBrown]

@Horus
@WebMaster
@Chak Bamu
@Kaan

I'm seeing @Arya Desa -- "LaLaLaLaLa I can't hear you LaLaLaLaLa Shut UP LaLaLaLa" with his hands over his ears. Banning someone you disagree with doesn't make them wrong. The fact that you cannot out-argue him and need to resort to ban appeals kind of indicates YOU are wrong.

It is a fundamental problem if your only evidence for a book being holy is the book itself. The book says it's holy, so it's holy. So, do you believe all such claims?? or only just a few?

 

[Arya Desa]

I'm seeing @Arya Desa -- "LaLaLaLaLa I can't hear you LaLaLaLaLa Shut UP LaLaLaLa" with his hands over his ears. Banning someone you disagree with doesn't make them wrong. The fact that you cannot out-argue him and need to resort to ban appeals kind of indicates YOU are wrong.

It is a fundamental problem if your only evidence for a book being holy is the book itself. The book says it's holy, so it's holy. So, do you believe all such claims?? or only just a few?

You need to find Jesus. Please refer to my post on China to be world largest Christian country in less than a generation | Page 6

Religion comes as naturally as to man as breathe; the soul longs for union with God. Atheists are unnatural, their mindset deviant, and their way of life unsustainable. I will never trust one who doesn't believe in a higher power.

 

[PeaceGen]

PKK = A Marxist Communist Ideology inspired movement. and saying the Turks haven't been exactly friendly to the PKK is PKK propaganda,

Spoiler alert: PKK was created by the Gladio, because they wanted fear in the turkish public

The government wasn't nice to anyone. except the White Turks which are basicly People who have abandoned everything what the turks hold value and accepted to be regional controllers for the british and with that hold the majority of money and controlled the government indirectly in cooperation with the British CROWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and USA.

Besides the White Turks(like 0.1% of the people) everyone was oppressed, there was even a time when the Quran was Forbidden in Turkey, because they didn't wanted the turks to get strong values, because when we got strong values we got strong brotherhood, when we got strong brotherhood we can concentrate alot and when we can concentrate alot europe won't like it because we won't let you control the middle east like you want too.

Kemalist != Muslim

Also we had to deal with the Gladio and now the hopefully their latest and most effective weapon they could have the Gülen Movement.



- Lawrence,
- Gladio which we got as a present which we didn't get told when we joined NATO, and o my how terrible that was
- Installing the middle east and Africa with dictators
- Supporting the Iran Coup because it didn't fit your interests.
- Orientalist spies which made sure that parents didn't send their daughters to school........ ow wait no that were the Russian Orientalist spies.

If Europe and USA kept their noses out of Turkey, than Turkey would now be a country at least as successful as Japan and there wouldn't be any problems like the PKK, the Middle East/North Africa would have been stable, IN TURKISH TERMS.

But if that were to Happen. you would have a Strong Turkish state, there would't be any immigrants from turkey to europe, because we all would have jobs in Turkey. And we wouldn't be having this conversation

You're just like many muslims here - blaming outside influences for all your problems.
I'm done talking to you.

Your idea of friendly is bombing them 24/7 and killing thousands of them?

I'm talking about all those peacetalks you Pakistanis had with your Taliban, as they had you in the grip of violence against the government. The fact that with outside help you've come to your senses and are currently fighting the Taliban, is helpful, but doesn't address the underlying issue of Pakistan fostering the Taliban as an extra army they hope to, but can't, control.

 

[Nefer]

You're just like many muslims here - blaming outside influences for all your problems.
I'm done talking to you.

I never said we were far from being guilty. But it thats your stance, don't blame the immigrants in the Netherlands for the worsening economic and criminal situation.


I Will be Social Engineering Holland, Dont blame me if gets worse okey

 

[TankMan]

I'm talking about all those peacetalks you Pakistanis had with your Taliban, as they had you in the grip of violence against the government. The fact that with outside help you've come to your senses and are currently fighting the Taliban, is helpful, but doesn't address the underlying issue of Pakistan fostering the Taliban as an extra army they hope to, but can't, control.

Seriously? We've had about 7 long military operations there since 2004, even during the ceasefires and peace talks Pakistan Army was actively conducting raids and intelligence operations. We didn't need any "outside help" once we entered this "War on Terror", it's always been pretty clear that the Taliban and other militants were our enemies.

The reasons we Pakistanis (Imran Khan, mostly) wanted peace talks was because simply bombing and murdering doesn't REDUCE terrorism, it INCREASES it. All the displacement and collateral damage results in more recruits for the Taliban. Has killing terrorists EVER worked? With force you can weaken them, you can destroy their infrastructure, you can kill some of their leadership, most of the times they will go into hiding, get more recruits, new leadership, new infrastructure and come back and bite you in the arse.

Imran Khan and other Pakistanis who wanted peace talks basically wanted a more intelligent method to deal with terrorism. He even said that he was in full support of a military operation as long as it was part of a larger strategy, like this one I coined (based on some of Imran Khan's speeches)

-Negotiate with tribes/militants willing to negotiate, eliminate them from the terrorism equation and use those who are willing to help as assets against terrorists
-Improve relations with the relatively peaceful people to eliminate the Taliban support base (providing education and work being the main steps here)
-Conduct military operations against those unwilling to negotiate (such as the Taliban themselves or any hardline supporters)
-Ensure that the area is given attention in the long-term to prevent any terrorism issues from arising again.

but doesn't address the underlying issue of Pakistan fostering the Taliban as an extra army they hope to, but can't, control

Any plans the military or ISI would have had to control the Taliban and use them as a proxy went out the window a decade ago, when they started bombing schools and mosques.

If you want to talk about an underlying issue, take the main issue of our beloved Uncle Sam not learning that militant proxies can't be trusted. They made that mistake with Afghanistan during the soviet invasion (result=Taliban and Al Qaeda), Syria during the civil war (result=ISIS) and now they're doing the same with the Kurds and other Militants in the area to fight ISIS. It doesn't look like anything good will come out of this.

And no, i'm not blaming Pakistan's issues on the US. Pakistanis made the mistakes, other Pakistanis paid with their lives for those mistakes. However, there is no denying that the US and other superpowers played a major role in further destabilizing many other (Muslim) countries. That instability is what gives birth to terrorists and needs to be addressed more than the "problems in Islam" everyone keeps talking about.