An Open Letter to Moderate Muslims

[Nefer]

Syed.Ali.Haider, I kindly suggest you, to delve into the history of the prophet and after, Please do this so I can stop Facepalming.

 

[VCheng]

Syed.Ali.Haider, I kindly suggest you, to delve into the history of the prophet and after, Please do this so I can stop Facepalming.

Actually Sir, what I quoted above is part of the history of Islam, there is no denying it. What you do with your face and your palm is none of my concern.

 

[Nefer]

Thats no way to defend your statement. By the comments u are giving, you give the image that you lack the knowledge about the prophets live and the people around him. And just go on with, LOOK I found this piece of news, which makes me not responsible for reading the real deal, because GOD KNOWS WHY

 

[VCheng]

Thats no way to defend your statement. By the comments u are giving, you give the image that you lack the knowledge about the prophets live and the people around him. And just go on with, LOOK I found this piece of news, which makes me not responsible for reading the real deal, because GOD KNOWS WHY

It is a historical fact that the Quran was compiled into its present form by consensus several decades after the Prophet's PBUH death and all other variations were destroyed on the orders of Caliph Usman, as you yourself mention below. The Sana'a manuscripts are part of that history:

I do hope you have some basic knowledge about how the Transition to paper went right.
If you are void of such knowledge, than yeah you would think that. And I hope you are aware of the many different Dialects at that time, and that Arabic was mostly a spoken language and rarely written. Its only when the Prophet came with first word of Allah, that there was a emphasis on Writing. So yeah small differences like that are bound to come forward, but if you know the history about the Quran, you should know that there was a committee, and that the result of that was something all the people agreed on and thus was the Final Version Like how the Prophet left it. Which is now referenced as the Uthmanic text.

 

[Nefer]

not several decades. less than a decade.Furthermore besides the fact that the prophet was reading the Quran in 7 different ahruf's(YES ALL OF THOSE AHRUFS ARE CORRECT INCASE YOU DONT KNOW THAT EITHER), but used 1 style primarily. So the committee which were all people which had the richest knowledge about it, have written the Quran down in this style because it came the to the prophet in this style, those other styles were thought by Cebrail later.

So when they had the Quran the all decided to remove the other scriptures, in order to make sure confusions like the SANA's Manuscript wouldn't happen, and all new copies were made from this Assembled Quran. In the end Allah protects the Quran from corruption like that one time the French tried it on the Algerians.

I really hope, that just because of the existence of the Sana's Manuscript you don't presume that the Quran has been corrupted. Like the other books, no sir there is an explanation for everything, if only people take their time and trouble to research and not to stick to their own bloody prejudice. I mean the stuff what I had to write is like Quran History 101

 

[PeaceGen]

I do hope you have some basic knowledge about how the Transition to paper went right.
If you are void of such knowledge, than yeah you would think that. And I hope you are aware of the many different Dialects at that time, and that Arabic was mostly a spoken language and rarely written. Its only when the Prophet came with first word of Allah, that there was a emphasis on Writing. So yeah small differences like that are bound to come forward, but if you know the history about the Quran, you should know that there was a committee, and that the result of that was something all the people agreed on and thus was the Final Version Like how the Prophet left it. Which is now referenced as the Uthmanic text.

Fact is, some preachers of Islam preach violence towards other cultures, they get that from the Quran, claiming such violence is God's will.

But many more read the same texts from the Quran and live peacefully by them, under peaceful Imams.

My argument that the Quran is mis-used by some priests (imams) remains standing. Because of what the world shows us today.

Wrong. The Quran is the pure word of god uncorrupted by any man. Islam is perfect.

Islam is not perfect. See the end-result in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia, as evidence.

 

[Arya Desa]

Islam is not perfect. See the end-result in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia, as evidence.

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@Kaan

 

[Hiptullha]

Fact is, some preachers of Islam preach violence towards other cultures, they get that from the Quran, claiming such violence is God's will.

But many more read the same texts from the Quran and live peacefully by them, under peaceful Imams.

My argument that the Quran is mis-used by some priests (imams) remains standing. Because of what the world shows us today.



Islam is not perfect. See the end-result in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia, as evidence.

The thing is, many Muslims are forgetting the political instability the Muslim world was going through in the 3rd and 4th caliph. We were seeing leaders twisting the word of the Prophet (pbuh) to show how they were right, and the other was wrong and slaughtering the other side. I think it would be logical accepting the Quran and the Sunnah went through some sort of distortions by Shia/Sunni clerics.

 

[Hiptullha]

Islam is not perfect. See the end-result in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia, as evidence.

Well, Africa was already in turmoil even before the advent of Islam. The majority of the countries are engaged in ethnic and tribal wars rather than wars based on religion. The Middle East was a hotspot because of the tension between Iran and the Gulf, which could be attributed to Sectarian hatred. However, lets remember, the sectarian hatred is based less on the religious beliefs of a person and more on the position of the group. I know it's hard to understand, but it can be explained by looking at Iraq where there is hatred for Shias because the current government was filled with Shias who alienated the Sunnis of the state, the Shias were responsible for militancy in Saddam's era, and that they are friends of the Iranians. Asia, well, specifically Pakistan and Afghanistan have suffered a long time from political instability and corruption resulting in a brain drain. With a power vaccum, hardcore militants took power. It was only a few decades ago that the same areas were suffering from Communist/socialist unrest, which should make you wonder if Islam is the true reason for the problem.

 

[Nefer]

Fact is, some preachers of Islam preach violence towards other cultures, they get that from the Quran, claiming such violence is God's will.

But many more read the same texts from the Quran and live peacefully by them, under peaceful Imams.

My argument that the Quran is mis-used by some priests (imams) remains standing. Because of what the world shows us today.

Fritz Neumark a refugee from Nazi Germany in 1933, when was asked by the europeans can't love the turks or islam one of the 10 points was.

7- The Selcuk state and especially the ottomans, if they didn't sacrifice everything, Islam would only be present in Saudi Arabia.
And comming to Wahabism, the starters of that movement were the men of the British Colonial Secretary, and while the west
is perversing Islam everywhere, the ottomans preserved it.

So yeah, Thank you European Orientalists for the conflicts all over the world.

Islam is not perfect. See the end-result in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia, as evidence.

Again Thats because of Europe, give it 20 years orso, it will stabilize. BUT when that does say hello to CHAOS and ARMAGEDDON in Europe (West to be exactly, Germany, Holland, Britain(specially them), French). So what I am trying to point out peacefan, The stability of Europe depends on the conflicts in the middle east and Africa, once those are gone. Europe can't continue to act reckless with its budgets like it is today, financing Terrorist organisation, Degenerative Movements, perverted orientation of Islam so they might get a chance to implement it and thus control the Middle east.

I mean Europe is so Guilty, more then the USA in that regard. Yes USA seems to be more racist, but europeans are generally stabbing you in the back.

 

[PeaceGen]

I mean Europe is so Guilty, more then the USA in that regard. Yes USA seems to be more racist, but europeans are generally stabbing you in the back.

You're full of nonsense. You're a spoiled muslim kid in Europe, spoiled on our right to free speech and real security provided by the Dutch state.

We europeans support many things, but the fact is plenty of terror groups started out as freedom fighters then degenerated into muslim extremism. Once they do that, degenerate into muslim extremism, we Europeans and Americans fight them.

We support moderate muslims, anywhere and anyhow we can. It's muslim leaderships who cause the suffering for muslims, not the europeans or americans who motivate and criticize them into more moderate and tolerant attitudes.

 

[Nefer]

You're full of nonsense. You're a spoiled muslim kid in Europe, spoiled on our right to free speech and real security provided by the Dutch state.

Great security mate, letting criminals taking leave from jails <_<..... But no. If you dared to read into the history of europe you would agree with me.

We europeans support many things, but the fact is plenty of terror groups started out as freedom fighters then degenerated into muslim extremism. Once they do that, degenerate into muslim extremism, we Europeans and Americans fight them.
We support moderate muslims, anywhere and anyhow we can. It's muslim leaderships who cause the suffering for muslims, not the europeans or americans who motivate and criticize them into more moderate and tolerant attitudes.

ASALA, PKK Great job, I have sugestion. Don't support anyone;.... Just care about. you know the Netherlands, like fight the corruption, the criminals.. pff I mean the netherlands have bigger problems to worry about than some insurgents in a country many miles away

 

[PeaceGen]

The PKK i don't consider a terrorist organisation. The Turks may call them terrorists, but the Turks haven't exactly been friendly to the PKK either.

Perhaps you should blame muslim leaderships for the problems of muslims.

Great security mate, letting criminals taking leave from jails <_<..... But no. If you dared to read into the history of europe you would agree with me.

What history are you referring to? And how does history relate to the future, which i find the only important thing?

 

[Hiptullha]

The PKK i don't consider a terrorist organisation. The Turks may call them terrorists, but the Turks haven't exactly been friendly to the PKK either.

Point? No country is friendly to terrorist organisations which launch attacks against them. Some European nations have also listed the PKK as a terrorist org.

 

[PeaceGen]

Point? No country is friendly to terrorist organisations which launch attacks against them. Some European nations have also listed the PKK as a terrorist org.

Your own Pakistan IS friendly towards the Taliban, who launch attacks against them.

The Turks, like the Spanish, have invited attacks on themselves by not granting groups like the Kurds (& Basques for the Spanish) the autonomy they deserve and crave.