An open letter to Maulana Ilyas Qadri

[mikkix]

Bro you cant compare quran with Hadeeth,
Allah promised that not any changes will be made in quran but he didn't take the responsibility of Hadeeth.
There are some zaeef Hadeeths, every firqa carries its own hadeeth then what will you do to tackle the problem, i m with the hadeeth, my point is we all muslims whether any firqa should come together and prepared one hadeeth that is acceptable for all.
can you tell when hadeeth was first written in history as a book and why it was deliberately(my research) not written as a book for so many years??

 

[mikkix]

Islam and Pakistan are compulsory to each other. There are only two states which came into being on ideology.
1. Pakistan
2. Israel

Israel is not Liberal, it is rather extremist in a way called Zionism.

I can tell you something, Quran always quoted the word for bani Israel or Yehoodi,
do you know who were bani israel and yehoodi, they are the sons of Yaqqob(A.s). Quran always told that Moosa and Issa spread the messages of Islam and all the prophets were spreading Islam,
but Bani israeli people didn't obey that.
Yehoodi were the tribesmen at the time when Quran spoke about them, now this thought, way of life can be in Islam or in other religion.
Quran told us bani Israeli had thought that we are superior to others, similarly some muslims also thinks that, then what is the differnce between them and us.??

 

[mikkix]

muslims individuals and countries can be zionists because of their approach to life and way of thinking.

 

[FreekiN]

Islam and Pakistan are compulsory to each other. There are only two states which came into being on ideology.
1. Pakistan
2. Israel

Israel is not Liberal, it is rather extremist in a way called Zionism.

You are confusing liberalism with secularism... as many other members also do...

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

assalam alaikum

Mughal1 brother thanks for ur info, may be u r right that the ulema failed to make sense of the info or may be we don't wanna understand or don't want to commit our self to that info. Brother our history didnot start from present day pakistan it started from the days of Prophet ( PBUM ) and his compainions and tab3een. i don't think these ppl have failed to provide that sense otherwise islam would have stayed in makkah and madina ( may be u think otherwise it is upto u).

Brother i agree with u we r not making the effort but even if u and me make the effort still if u take an example of pakistan not every muslim pakistani can be as committed as u or can make or able to make that effort. Again millions of muslims gonna have to trust those ulema and bashing them will not do any good.

Our brother r saying that hadeeth r somehow contradictary but quran is not coz Allah promised to protect it. I know if these same ppl r pressed on quranic verses they will jump to ahadeeth. Besides i m not gonna take understanding of islam from unknown nick names

Mughal bhai Allah hum sub ko hidayat dain aameen

i m gonna repeat my question which i posted on page 6

Guys can u stop these mullahs by bringing some well known mufties , well known ulema's fatwas who will oppose death penalty on blasphmers? we know in all of our 1400 history what has been done to the them and don't give us the post colonial countries laws on blasphemy. We r not ganna take understanding of quran and hadeeth from unknown nicknames

i m waiting

TARIQ
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[mikkix]

assalam alaikum

Mughal1 brother thanks for ur info, may be u r right that the ulema failed to make sense of the info or may be we don't wanna understand or don't want to commit our self to that info. Brother our history didnot start from present day pakistan it started from the days of Prophet ( PBUM ) and his compainions and tab3een. i don't think these ppl have failed to provide that sense otherwise islam would have stayed in makkah and madina ( may be u think otherwise it is upto u).

Brother i agree with u we r not making the effort but even if u and me make the effort still if u take an example of pakistan not every muslim pakistani can be as committed as u or can make or able to make that effort. Again millions of muslims gonna have to trust those ulema and bashing them will not do any good.

Our brother r saying that hadeeth r somehow contradictary but quran is not coz Allah promised to protect it. I know if these same ppl r pressed on quranic verses they will jump to ahadeeth. Besides i m not gonna take understanding of islam from unknown nick names

Mughal bhai Allah hum sub ko hidayat dain aameen

i m gonna repeat my question which i posted on page 6

Guys can u stop these mullahs by bringing some well known mufties , well known ulema's fatwas who will oppose death penalty on blasphmers? we know in all of our 1400 history what has been done to the them and don't give us the post colonial countries laws on blasphemy. We r not ganna take understanding of quran and hadeeth from unknown nicknames

i m waiting

TARIQ
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bro can you tell me that does anyone has the courage to stand against those ulmas fatwas or do fatwas against them, if he do he will suffer the same like Taseer, current Muslims ulmas dont have the patience to listen, these mufties are like mafias, they control the Islam and they will present there islam not Mohammad's(pbuh) and Allah's islam.
They are not ready to accept that they were wrong and for that purpose they are continuing to do the same.
does they call meeting for social injustice, poverty, inflation, NO.
They are not islamic mufties, they are brailvi, deobandi, wahabi, shia, ahle sunnat mufties and they have a firm stand on their firqa.

 

[mikkix]

^^^ plz go and asked them how we offer prayers, what is bidat, Yazeed was good or bad, plz tell me the history of islam.
they always have different answers.
They as a whole dont know Islam clearly, i dont need there fatwas,
Quran is there, Hadiths can helped us and thats it.
Dont make islam too difficult otherwise no one is there to understand it.

 

[Last Hope]

Add my name too,

Hassan Adnan, creator MCA Pakistan

 

[Awesome]

They dont have balls to speak for plight of Muslims in their own country. They are just playing ball with us here.


This is hypocrisy. everyone is trying to wash their hands in flowing ganga because its Pakistan.

i would appreciate them only if they show same balls in their own case.

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They are still fighting for the Babri Masjid...

 

[Abu Basit]

has this movement gained enough strength b4 we start taking it seriously.........

 

[Khalids]

Khalid Mahmood Shaheen

 

[Safron Slayer]

I once again ask moderators to either close this thread or name it as "Pakistan Liberal Defense forum"

 

[DV RULES]

having seen your posts i wont bother justifying anything to you.
i will just say one thing may allah be with pakistan to save it from extremists.

& may Allah give you Indians right mind to understand not to kill innocent Kashmiries, you already killed 120 000 Kashmiries & and i didn't see any open letter to UN from Indian members, but here killed one person and you all rushed to show your humanity to Illyas Qadri?

 

[DV RULES]

Killing of Salman Taseer: An open letter to Maulana Ilyas Qadri | TwoCircles.net

Aassalam-o Alikum

We are unable to restrain ourselves from writing to you with regard to the recent killing of Mr. Salman Taseer, governor of Punjab (Pakistan), because it is learnt that the man allegedly responsible for this killing is a cadre of your organization Dawate-islami (jamat).

We would like to request you to ponder if this is in conformity with the teachings of Islam and the path which the Prophet has shown us. We reproduce below some verses of the naa’t, describing Prophet’s personality, which we have heard on your channel several times.

salaam us par ke jis ney khoon key pyason ko qabain deen
salaam us par ke jis ney gaaliyaan sun kar duaien deen
salaam us par ke asrare mohabbat jis ney sikhlaeen
salaam us par ke jis ney zakhm khaa kar phool barsaey
salaam us par ke jo majruh huaa bazaar-e Taif mein …

The person responsible for the killing seems to be the anti-thesis of the above-mentioned aspects of the greatest personality ever born on this earth.

Can a true follower of Islam forget the scene of Taif, where our great prophet was being beaten; though badly injured, he did not even utter a word of hatred for those who were throwing stones at him; on the contrary, he prayed for their well-being. It seems that your followers have forgotten important lessons from the life of our beloved prophet.

Please recall that, in the light of Islam, the killer of prophet’s uncle, Hazrat Hamza, was forgiven by the prophet.

Please recall that Ubai bin Salool kept on torturing prophet all through his life, but Prophet led the proceedings at his funeral service.

Your organization claims to follow sufis (saints). Please enlighten us if that is the way shown to us by the likes of Moinuddin Chishti, Hazrat Nizamuddin Auliya, Data Saheb, Baba Fareed.

I am pained that those claiming to be Muslim are responsible for, and have rejoiced, the heinous murder, whereas the true followers of Islam ought to condemn this brutal killing. We demand that you apologize to the family members of late Salman Taseer on behalf of your organization. In order not to tarnish the image of Islam, Prophet and Sufis, we request you to renounce the politics of murder and mayhem in their name.

Signatories to the open letter:

Asad ashraf -- NSAF
Dayaan hussain -Advocate -ASSAM
Faisal khan - NAPM -Delhi
R. kauser -socaial activist -West Bengal
Nasir pathan --RTI activist -Gujarat
Ehtisham Hashmi- Advocate --MP
kaleemullah - Social activist - Bihar
Shahab Ul Haque- J & K
Nazim Abbasi – Musician, New Delhi
Wassem Khan – Saudi Arab
Fahad Hasan – AJK Mass Communication, J.M.I
Shakeel Ahmed- Management Student, Delhi
Maulana Mujeeb Qasmi – Student, Deoband
Mohsin Ali – NSAF, Saharanpur
Danish Qureshi- J.M.I, New Delhi
Syed Perwaiz- Journalist
Enab Khizra – Pioneer Foundation of India
Maulana Feroz- Kargil student forum
Mehdi Hasan – Social Activist Dhubri, Assam
Maaz Khan- Journalist- E.T.V
Hammad Khan- R.T.I Activist, Amroha, U.P
Atiq Ahmed- Ghar bachao,Ghar bano, Mumbai
Mohd Khalid –Software Engineer, Mumbai
Mohd.Asghar-Social Activist, Orissa
Mohd.Ahmed,Asha Pariwaar, Haryana
Mohd.Anwar-K.K.Trust, Chennai
Dr.Zakia Akhtar – Research Scholar, New Delhi
Mohd.Abid.Youth movement of India, Bhilwara, Rajasthan
Syed.Ali Akhtar- Yuva Koshish, New Delhi
Mehboob Subhani-Student leader-Nellore, A.P
Maulana.Fateh Mohd. Nadwi-U.P
Shah Alam-Filmmaker-Ayodhya
Shariq Ahmed- Advancement of social Action, Uttarakhand
Jabir Boga- Social Activist,Vapi, Gujarat
Shamsul Rehman- Advocate, Assam
Zahid Khan- Journalist, New Delhi
Farah Kausar – Student, Delhi
Akram Akhtar- Student leader, Delhi University
Zubair Darzi – Photographer
Adil Khan- Poet, Panipat, Haryana
Syed Anisur Rehman-Student, Jamia Miliia Islamia
Shawaiz Danish-P.N.,Delhi
Shoaib Akhtar- P.N.I
Dr.Zubair Ahmed – Medical Student, Ghaziabad
Ali Adil khan-Editor –Isma Times, Delhi
Syed.Rishad Ikmal, Orissa
Asif Mazhar Ansari- S.S Engineering College, Mumbai
Mohd.Tariq-M.S.W, Aligarh Muslim University
Salaman- Asha Pariwar-Delhi
Danish Ahmed- Political Activist, Gujarat
Dr.Islam- Jind, Haryana
Mohd.Gufran Khan –Prominent Photographer
Mohd.Shafi- Social Activist, Godhra, Gujarat
Mohd.Kaunain Rizvi- Haideri Foundation
S.Aleemuddin- Khera, Gujarat
Ghulam Rabbani- Social Activist, Delhi
Feroz Vani-Social Activist, Srinagar
Yousuf Ansari-Chairman-Salam India Foundation
Fazal Abbas-Social Activist
S.Mohd.Akhtar- Software Engineer- Gurgaon
Sana Maryam- Ajk Mass Communication, Jamia Millia Islamia
Asim Aquil - Administrator, Defence.pk

Mr. Asim Aquil

I criticize this letter because it already has proven (Investigation agencies officially announced about it) that Mumtaz hussain Qadri was not member of any religious organization, so on what bases this letter is addressed to Illyas Qadri?

 

[Awesome]

Mr. Asim Aquil

I criticize this letter because it already has proven (Investigation agencies officially announced about it) that Mumtaz hussain Qadri was not member of any religious organization, so on what bases this letter is addressed to Illyas Qadri?

Your link of this being proven?