An interview with Hafiz Saeed - August 24, 2012

[Ticker]

I think most posters have missed the point Babar Ayaz is trying to make.

Taliban existed much before 9/11. You can call them good Taliban if you like as these were only in Afghanistan. However, all the sectarian killers of Laskhar Jhangvi used to run into Afghanistan for support and safe havens. A lot of the Afghan Taliban were in fact Pakistanis. Many studied in Allama Binori Madrasah in Karachi. Please read this news.

Moinuddin Haider's Afghanistan visit likely to fail

You will note SSP Senator Tariq Azam appearing with Maulana Sami ul Haq for Council of Defence of Afghanistan! This is 7 months before 9/11.

Pakistanis were fighting at Kunduz with Mulla Omer's Taliban. All these sectarian parties have now combined under the name of TTP. Simply changes of name, people are the same.

Some members here have even brought up Kushans and thousand years of history to argue their point. The point is not that at all.

Babar Ayaz is trying to say that liberals such as myself believe that Pakistan was not meant for theocracy. Mainly because JU Hind ( Deobandis) as well as JI were dead against creation of Pakistan. Muslim League did not coin the phrase “Pakistan ka matlab kiya, la ilaha il Allah) and almost all Mulsim league leaders were liberal.

However, it is also a fact that Muslim leaders including the Quaid exploited the Hindu/ Muslim religious split; evidenced by Quaid changing his attire into sherwani and cap; thereby creating the impression that Pakistan was going to be an Islamic state. By implication the law should be sharia.

This has caused the crisis of identity on the structure of the state and gave the opportunity to JI and people like Hafiz Saeed to exploit Islam to their benefit.

For example; PPP led gov’t and her allies claim that it is our war whereas JI, JUI, PML-N and PTI claim that it is not our war and we are killing our own people due to US pressure. 40,000 Pakistani killed by TTP are simply ignored or again blamed on the US; as Hafiz Saeed says , US created jihadis (CIA actually did in 1979, including Osama) thus US is responsible. Strange logic but based on fact.

All this creates confusion among the common man. We have not yet decided on what shape state of Pakistan should take? Should Pakistan be a progressive liberal state as the Quais stated in his 11th august 1947 address or should it be an Islamic emirates on the model of Mulla Omer’s Afghanidstan with sharia law based on Wahhabi maslak with no room for non Muslims or anyone that Wahhabis declare as non Muslims.

This is the crisis of identity that Babar Ayaz refers.

Sir,

The crisis of identifying between Mulla Umar's particular maslak based sharia Afghan government or a progressive liberal state does not in any case defines a crisis of identity of a nation.

The identity of a nation does not depend on the system of governance a nation follows.

If this is what Babar Ayaz refers to, and says that we as a nation have an identity crisis because we can not find a proper governance order for us, the premise in my opinion is not only wrong, it is highly misleading.

When Mulla Umar's format of particular maslak based governance failed in Afghanistan, how can it succeed in Pakistan.

Did we ever in Pakistan have a theocratic governance based order. We never did, and what are we fighting against now - we are fighting against imposition of such a system which may be forced upon us by a very limited number of armed zealots.

The large majority of population of Pakistan is not in favor of such a system.

On the other hand, Babar Ayaz is suggestive of a progressive liberal state as per his perception of Quaid's speech.

What is a progressive liberal state he is talking about. A state based on European liberality model.

In my opinion and particularly considering the ground reality, overwhelming majority of Pakistanis would follow a progressive and tolerant Islamic state rather than a progressive European liberal state model. And this is what I believe that we are gradually heading towards.

We also need to identify as to what is the difference between a progressive liberal state and a progressive and tolerant Islamic state, within the binds of being an overwhelmingly Muslim country.

In any case, though some may like to identify the governance order with identity of a nation, I strongly disagree with it. Governance orders may change over a period of time but the nation’s identity never changes.

And this fashion of sorts, of saying again and again that we are losing our identity as a nation is a farce which needs to be stopped and killed in the bud. This fashion is being propounded by our own neo-liberal European minded elite. Their number is very small as is the number of those seeking Mulla Umar type of Islamic theology.

Overwhelming majority of Muslim Pakistanis need a progressive, modern and tolerant Muslim state and that is what we should work for.

kyonji tumhare do haath-pair jada hain jo different ho.....

ha ha ha ....... at times you do leave people speechless, don't you.

Waisay meray pass hunza Water hai jo tumharay pass nahin hai.

 

[iPhone]

This guy reeks of malevolence. Listen to him a bit and you can smell deceit on his breath. Pakistan can do without these poisonous snakes. You can just imagine him sitting in a roomful of young boys and men, brainwashing them against the west and Pak army. Encouraging and celebrating TTP attacks on Pak forces.

He should be monitored and investigated for his hand in attack in India and any terror attacks in Pakistan. Some good coordination needs to be setup with India in evidence sharing against this man.

 

[airmarshal]

This guy reeks of malevolence. Listen to him a bit and you can smell deceit on his breath. Pakistan can do without these poisonous snakes. You can just imagine him sitting in a roomful of young boys and men, brainwashing them against the west and Pak army. Encouraging and celebrating TTP attacks on Pak forces.

He should be monitored and investigated for his hand in attack in India and any terror attacks in Pakistan. Some good coordination needs to be setup with India in evidence sharing against this man.

He has answered a lot of your reservations in his interview.

 

[Bang Galore]

We are two different people and that is how we should remain.

Would not have it any other way & for that Mr.Jinnah is a hero whom countless Indians owe a combined 1.2 billion thanks.

 

[ajtr]

Would not have it any other way & for that Mr.Jinnah is a hero whom countless Indians owe a combined 1.2 billion thanks.

Why -o- Why thanks????

ha ha ha ....... at times you do leave people speechless, don't you.

Waisay meray pass hunza Water hai jo tumharay pass nahin hai.

When people faces the truth sure everyone becomes speechless.

As for hunza you keep it we will keep the indus then

 

[Desert Fox]

Pakistanis and indians are indeed different people both culturally and ethnically/lingually, except for a small minority though.

 

[Jackdaws]

Pakistanis and indians are indeed different people both culturally and ethnically/lingually, except for a small minority though.

Which small minority?

 

[Ticker]

Why -o- Why thanks????

When people faces the truth sure everyone becomes speechless.

As for hunza you keep it we will keep the indus then

Indus originates from Tibetan Plateau near Mapam Yumco (Lake Manasarovar) in China. For the little while that it passes through Indian Occupied Kashmir, you can enjoy keeping it.

Magar Hunza Water siraf hamaray pass hi hai.