An Honest (not racist) question about Punjabi Politics

[usher]

Punjab... the biggest, wealthiest and most powerful province of Pakistan
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Punjab..... from where hails the establishment of Pakistan (from lahore to islamabad to be exact and those, who think that its not a case anymore since mians are anti-establishment now, should have a look at the percentage of punjabis in the army which btw is around 80% and the fact that even these days kayani (who, if we go by the fatwas of mard-e-mujahids of our media i.e haroon rashids, hamid meers, urfan siddiques etc, is as away from the politics now as a pyasa kawwa from paani) phones aitazaz to give him the good news of restoration of judiciary)
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Punjab.... perhaps the most moderate province of Pakistan (when it comes to the daily life of people), provided, we take karachi out of sindh!
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Punjab, has the 2nd most liberal and educated city in the form of Lahore
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Punjab, whose first letter 'P' starts the name of Pakistan, a word which basically means "Land of pures" i.e a land of purists
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YET...
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Why Punjab still lacks a single MAINSTREAM secular party???,
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..though on the other hand, a relatively poorer and smaller province like sindh has PPP which calls itself secular (even though for some one like me it is only a so-called secular party!.. now that they have done that infamous and controversial pact like the one in swat )
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Also even the most conservative province like nwfp has secular ANP working for them since ages.(now i know that they have done a secular blasphemy recently but come on at least give these poor guys some points for just calling themselves secular as it is almost like saying "kalma-e-haq" bravely in a society which perhaps is the most religiously extremist society right now in the whole wide world)
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Why, not only the liberals & secularists but even the atheist punjabis like imran khan (some 1 whose westernized antics are known to the whole wide world and some 1 who himself admitted in an interview that he didn't believe in God until his mother died) suddenly become pro-islamic hypocrites when they enter into politics?
Is telling what you really believe in so difficult in punjab?
or is the good old "Islam card " too powerful in punjabi politics to let go of?
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Why the best we get from punjab are two clean-shaven wanna-bee "mullas" in the form of sharifs? (the kind of hypocrites who want to get the best of both worlds by being "ameer-ul-momineen" on one hand, while marrying a renowned "adulterer" of her time a.k.a Tahmeena durrani on the other)..Tahmeena, the ex-wife of Mustafa khar has admitted in her popular biography a.k.a "My feudal Lord", that she cheated on her first husband many a times with khar and GUESS WHAT she is still the 2nd wife of maulana shahbaaz shareef. !
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Why it happens only in Punjab that the "Muslim league", which was once led by a liberal & a secularist like Mohammad Ali jinnah keep getting hijacked, tempered with and abused by "streetsmart" punjabi politicians like the chahudhries, wattos, chatthas, pathas, gujars, magos, haqs and who not??, so that they can accomplish their hideous plans while selling the so-called "Islamic philosophy" of QUAID to the innocent, ignorant and passionately religious public?
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Why all the anchors of our elctronic media (most of whom, like army, just co-incidentally happen to be punjabis, suddenly become a party to issues like war on terror etc and try to keep themselves as well as public in a constant denial by asking questions like "whether it is our war or not?" at a point in time when "Tehreek-e-Talibaan-PAKISTAN" have made states with in the state of Pakistan?..yeah morons this not our war, we have just offered pakistani play grounds to both talibans and americans for this competition as there would be no cricket in pakistan for the foreseeable future.
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and lastly, why all this munafiqana "adha teetar, adha batair"/"beech ki bili" drama by mainstream punjabi politicians in a land which is otherwise known as "land of PURISTS"???
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Finally, My little advice to PuNJAB:

SAY IT LOUD IF YOU ARE RELIGIOUS (just take a leaf out of taliban book, who might be extremists in nature but earn respect as they are at least purists and not hypocrites like you )

MAKE NO BONES ABOUT IT IF YOU ARE NOT!(one should live the life with the rules that he believes in.. living, how others force you to live, is a petty death in itself)

 

[Zob]

GREAT GOING BOY....let's start ETHNIC conflicts here...hell and why not start religious conflicts as well while we at it....let's just divide ourselves shall we i think that is what you wish USHER!!!

 

[usher]

Ethnic conflicts?, i thought i was just asking a question about a society which apparently looks like any other pluralistic societies which we have in Pakistan but who has failed miserably to produce any leftist political party in its entire history.

As for using the word "Punjab" for referring to it, So i am afraid if you guys have named it Punjab then I have to call it "Punjab", though if you are so worried that just by mentioning its name I am going to break some kind of ethnic conflict here then why don't you just give it some other name or simply leave it unnamed? a then i could simply call it north-east Pakistan without taking some particular ethnic group name

As for religious conflict, so since when Secularism became a religion?

Why don't you simply try to give some logical comments in the context of the topic instead of being hell bent on proving that its not just a post but some kind of heinous conspiracy against the unity of Pakistan ??

 

[dabong1]

The normal rant about punjab but backed with nothing but rehashed theories.
Do tell us how many punjabis have been presidents-PM-COAS compared to the number of punjabis there are in pakistan in history.

Ethnic conflicts?, i thought i was just asking a question about a society which apparently looks like any other pluralistic societies which we have in Pakistan but who has failed miserably to produce any leftist political party in its entire history.

So the PPP under Z Bhutto was not leftist ?

As for religious conflict, so since when Secularism became a religion?

Secularism is a faith that does not worship god but man and matter,the same faith that pakistan has followed for the last 60 odd years with the odd military govt that has got us nowhere......but let me guess you think that the islamic parties have been running pakistan.

 

[usher]

1- and Since when ppp became a party which originated from punjab?..if you were observant enough and had read my post without rubbishing it, you would have easily noticed that i am actually talking about Punjab and not Pakistan.

2-Well mate Secularism doesn't worship any thing (though its funny how our extra-religious minds & parallel thoughts see every thing in terms of worshipers & non-worshipers, isn't it?)

Its just a system who doesn't really believe in forcing state to utter "Kalma" like human beings! (if you know what i am talking about)

3-and if you seriously believe that its secularism whichs give births to black laws of "hadood" & lets "only Muslmis " (no matter how corrupt & dishonest they are) to be the contenders for the highest post of a state then God may help you!

 

[dabong1]

1- and Since when ppp became a party which originated from punjab?..if you were observant enough and had read my post without rubbishing it, you would have easily noticed that i am actually talking about Punjab and not Pakistan.

So you did not say "Pakistan who has failed miserably to produce any leftist political party in its entire history.".......i was totally observant and read what you said it is you that has not
Your argument has been debunked and now you want to set your own boundarys in which you want the debate to take place.

2-Well mate Secularism doesn't worship any thing (though its funny how our extra-religious minds & parallel thoughts see every thing in terms of worshipers & non-worshipers, isn't it?)

Its just a system who doesn't really believe in forcing state to utter "Kalma" like human beings! (if you know what i am talking about)

3-and if you seriously believe that its secularism whichs give births to black laws of "hadood" & lets "only Muslmis " (no matter how corrupt & dishonest they are) to be the contenders for the highest post of a state then God may help you!

Secularism-capatalisim-democracy have killed more people then any war islam has fough or in that case any war of faith....was the first and second world war fought for god or Secularism-capatalisim-democracy .Was the nuke dropped on the japanese done for reasons of faith in god or Secularism-capatalisim-democracy.

 

[Cheetah786]

Punjab... the biggest, wealthiest and most powerful province of Pakistan
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Punjab..... from where hails the establishment of Pakistan (from lahore to islamabad to be exact and those, who think that its not a case anymore since mians are anti-establishment now, should have a look at the percentage of punjabis in the army which btw is around 80% and the fact that even these days kayani (who, if we go by the fatwas of mard-e-mujahids of our media i.e haroon rashids, hamid meers, urfan siddiques etc, is as away from the politics now as a pyasa kawwa from paani) phones aitazaz to give him the good news of restoration of judiciary)
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Punjab.... perhaps the most moderate province of Pakistan (when it comes to the daily life of people), provided, we take karachi out of sindh!
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Punjab, has the 2nd most liberal and educated city in the form of Lahore
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Punjab, whose first letter 'P' starts the name of Pakistan, a word which basically means "Land of pures" i.e a land of purists
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YET...
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Why Punjab still lacks a single MAINSTREAM secular party???,
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..though on the other hand, a relatively poorer and smaller province like sindh has PPP which calls itself secular (even though for some one like me it is only a so-called secular party!.. now that they have done that infamous and controversial pact like the one in swat )
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Also even the most conservative province like nwfp has secular ANP working for them since ages.(now i know that they have done a secular blasphemy recently but come on at least give these poor guys some points for just calling themselves secular as it is almost like saying "kalma-e-haq" bravely in a society which perhaps is the most religiously extremist society right now in the whole wide world)
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Why, not only the liberals & secularists but even the atheist punjabis like imran khan (some 1 whose westernized antics are known to the whole wide world and some 1 who himself admitted in an interview that he didn't believe in God until his mother died) suddenly become pro-islamic hypocrites when they enter into politics?
Is telling what you really believe in so difficult in punjab?
or is the good old "Islam card " too powerful in punjabi politics to let go of?
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Why the best we get from punjab are two clean-shaven wanna-bee "mullas" in the form of sharifs? (the kind of hypocrites who want to get the best of both worlds by being "ameer-ul-momineen" on one hand, while marrying a renowned "adulterer" of her time a.k.a Tahmeena durrani on the other)..Tahmeena, the ex-wife of Mustafa khar has admitted in her popular biography a.k.a "My feudal Lord", that she cheated on her first husband many a times with khar and GUESS WHAT she is still the 2nd wife of maulana shahbaaz shareef. !
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Why it happens only in Punjab that the "Muslim league", which was once led by a liberal & a secularist like Mohammad Ali jinnah keep getting hijacked, tempered with and abused by "streetsmart" punjabi politicians like the chahudhries, wattos, chatthas, pathas, gujars, magos, haqs and who not??, so that they can accomplish their hideous plans while selling the so-called "Islamic philosophy" of QUAID to the innocent, ignorant and passionately religious public?
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Why all the anchors of our elctronic media (most of whom, like army, just co-incidentally happen to be punjabis, suddenly become a party to issues like war on terror etc and try to keep themselves as well as public in a constant denial by asking questions like "whether it is our war or not?" at a point in time when "Tehreek-e-Talibaan-PAKISTAN" have made states with in the state of Pakistan?..yeah morons this not our war, we have just offered pakistani play grounds to both talibans and americans for this competition as there would be no cricket in pakistan for the foreseeable future.
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and lastly, why all this munafiqana "adha teetar, adha batair"/"beech ki bili" drama by mainstream punjabi politicians in a land which is otherwise known as "land of PURISTS"???
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Finally, My little advice to PuNJAB:

SAY IT LOUD IF YOU ARE RELIGIOUS (just take a leaf out of taliban book, who might be extremists in nature but earn respect as they are at least purists and not hypocrites like you )

MAKE NO BONES ABOUT IT IF YOU ARE NOT!(one should live the life with the rules that he believes in.. living, how others force you to live, is a petty death in itself)

Divide And rule i take it mr usher thats your job.

 

[Zob]

Punjab... the biggest, wealthiest and most powerful province of Pakistan

Biggest in terms of POPULATION AGREED....WEALTHIEST...in terms of agriculture AGREED.....powerful through sheer numbers agreed!!!

with such a huge population and with an "ENEMY" just a few miles away ofcourse PUNJABIS are born and breed to hate INDIA hence ofcourse most of them end up in the ARMY....PATRIOTISM is never found lacking in PUNJABIS. Lahore has been a cultural capital of SOUTH ASIA since 100's of years so ofcourse it is rightly the fashion capital of pakistan....


Also even the most conservative province like nwfp has secular ANP working for them since ages.

Ok as for SECULAR party.....well define SECULAR....because i think if you look at things that a secular party does then i guess PML(Q) came up with the idea of ENLIGHTNENED MODERATES...they also blew up LAL MASJID.....

now you must be wonderign why i am saying blowing up a MOSQUE IS SECULARISM....well because you were calling SHARIF's mullah....so if u can be so DRAMATIC ICAN BE AS WELL!!


please let me know what i might have failed to answer.....

 

[Awesome]

Idiotic thread... Mind you when you declare all Punjabis hypocrites, insinuate they all join the Taliban, you're being racist, you're being treacherous too by advocating 65% of Pakistanis join hands with the enemy, that is Taliban.

Idiocy closed.