An Era of Darkness: The British Empire in India’

[Spring Onion]

You could add the vast irrigation canals in your part of the Punjab , the formation of Waqf board , the recognition of the Aligarh Muslim University as an independent university , the separate electorates , the kid gloves treatment to the Muslim League also to that list.

Btw - not a single Muslim League leader spent a single night in jail in the cause of Indian independence .

One can see why you feel so grateful to the British .

There are many good things which are legacy of British rule. I have mentioned few.

As far as the bold colored part in your comment PLEASE keep aside your Muslim phobia at least in this thread. It is very sad that extremist Hindus in India divide the freedom struggle on the basis of religion.

The role of Muslims in freedoms struggle is an important part and going to jails is not the only vital contribution. There are many things which narrow minded Indians like you skip.

Let me mention few names (most of whom Indians like you may not be knowing which a very bad history BTW).
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• Abul Kalam Azad - he needs no introduction, does he?

• Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan, also known as "Frontier Gandhi", almost single-handedly led the independence movement in the north-western corners of India. He was referred to as the "one man frontier army" by Lord Mountbatten. He had initiated the Khudai Khidmatgar movement that indulged in non-violent struggle against the British empire on Gandhian principles. He also staunchly opposed the creation of Pakistan.
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• Asaf Ali, a noted lawyer, defended Bhagat Singh and Batukeshwar Dutt in court in their last trial and was also a part of the defence team in the INA trials. He was elected to the Central Legislative Assembly in 1935 and after independence he became India's first ambassador to the US.
  
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• Ashfaqulla Khan planned and executed the Kakori conspiracy along with Ram Prasad Bismil. He was sentenced to death along with his accomplices for the same.
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• Saifuddin Kitchlew was a nationalist leader from Punjab. He is mostly remembered for leading the protest against the draconian Rowlatt Act and it was his arrest that led to the protesters gathering at Jallianwala Bagh and ultimately the Jallianwala Bagh massacre.
  
• 
  
• Maghfoor Ahmad Ajazi was a noted Urdu poet, writer and orator. He vehemently opposed Jinnah's Two-nation theory and the creation of Pakistan. He founded the All-India Jamhur Muslim League to counter Jinnah's Muslim League, and served as its first general secretary. He formed the 'Ajazi Troop' to promote and train youngsters for freedom struggle. He started the mutthia drive to collect funds for nationalist activities. Under this drive, Ajazi and his followers went door to door urging people to contribute one mutthi (fistful) of donation towards India's freedom struggle.
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• Maulana Mazharul Haque organised the Home Rule movement in Bihar and was its president in 1916. He actively participated in the Champaran Satyagraha along with fellow eminent nationalists Rajendra Prasad, Anugrah Narayan Sinha and Brajkishore Prasad for which he was sentenced to 3 months imprisonment. Subsequently, when the Non Cooperation and Khilafat Movements were launched, Mazharul Haque gave up his lucrative legal practice and his elected post as member of the Imperial Legislative Council as a mark of protest against the infamous Rowlat Act of 1919. He also started "The Motherland" an English weekly journal (later bi-weekly) which was used to propagate thoughts and ideals of the Non Cooperation Movement.
• Mahmud al-Hasan, also known as Shaykh-ul-Hind, was a Deobandi scholar who organised efforts to start an armed revolution against British rule from both within and outside India. He launched a programme to train volunteers from among his disciples in India and abroad who joined this movement in a large number. He, along with Maulana Ubaidullah Sindhi, planned the Silk Letter Movement that aimed at freeing India from the British rule by allying with Ottoman Turkey, Imperial Germany, and Afghanistan. However, the plot was uncovered by the police midway and its planners imprisoned.
  
• Abdul Hafiz Mohamed Barakatullah was one of the founders of the revolutionary Ghadar Party. Later he became the first prime minister of the Provisional Government of India established on 1 December 1915 in Kabul with Raja Mahendra Pratap as its president. Barkatullah went to several countries of the world with a mission to rouse politically the Indian community and to seek support for the freedom of India from the famous leaders of the time in those countries.
  
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• Badruddin Tyabji was the first Muslim president of the Indian National Congress. He worked actively for the emancipation of women and co-founded the Bombay Presidency Association on 1885.
• 
  
• Rafi Ahmed Kidwai was a prominent leader of the Khilafat Movement and a social reformer. He became the Home Minister of UP after the formation of the provincial governments for the first time in 1937. He also became India's first Minister for Communications after independence.
  
• Hakim Ajmal Khan was a Unani physician who participated in the Non-co-operation movement, led the Khilafat Movement, and became the fifth Muslim President of the Indian National Congress in 1921. He also founded the Jamia Millia Islamia University along with several other educational institutions.

• Syed Hasan Imam, hailed by many as the finest Indian barrister in British India, led the Khilafat Movement and the Civil Disobedience Movement in Bihar. Among other things, he was a social reformer who worked for the amelioration of the position of women and the depressed classes.]

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As far as me grateful to British empire well you need to use words carefully, BUT anyway Some good things brits did should be praised.

 

[lonelyman]

If you hate the Japanese so.much , why did you accept their investment 30 years ago? Why is Japan still the biggest investor in PRC ? Aren't you sucking up to the Japanese ?

We speak their language , play their game , have taken the best that their culture & society has to offer coz we don't hate the British .We have our grudges against them but hatred isn't part of it.

You & your people are a different species in that respect .But you know your lot better.

They came to do business, not conducting war, what's not to like? we are not hypocrites and delusional like u, proud speaking masters tongue and bitching master. Who said Japan is the largest investor? Did we speak Japanese, adopt their language proudly as a national language and mock other people not speaking well? what your elites are doing, busy taking bribes and kickbacks and send them to their children in Britain?

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

There are many good things which are legacy of British rule. I have mentioned few.

As far as the bold colored part in your comment PLEASE keep aside your Muslim phobia at least in this thread. It is very sad that extremist Hindus in India divide the freedom struggle on the basis of religion.

The role of Muslims in freedoms struggle is an important part and going to jails is not the only vital contribution. There are many things which narrow minded Indians like you skip.

Let me mention few names (most of whom Indians like you may not be knowing which a very bad history BTW).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


[

• Abul Kalam Azad - he needs no introduction, does he?

• Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan, also known as "Frontier Gandhi", almost single-handedly led the independence movement in the north-western corners of India. He was referred to as the "one man frontier army" by Lord Mountbatten. He had initiated the Khudai Khidmatgar movement that indulged in non-violent struggle against the British empire on Gandhian principles. He also staunchly opposed the creation of Pakistan.
• 
  
• Asaf Ali, a noted lawyer, defended Bhagat Singh and Batukeshwar Dutt in court in their last trial and was also a part of the defence team in the INA trials. He was elected to the Central Legislative Assembly in 1935 and after independence he became India's first ambassador to the US.
  
• 
  
• Ashfaqulla Khan planned and executed the Kakori conspiracy along with Ram Prasad Bismil. He was sentenced to death along with his accomplices for the same.
• 
  
• Saifuddin Kitchlew was a nationalist leader from Punjab. He is mostly remembered for leading the protest against the draconian Rowlatt Act and it was his arrest that led to the protesters gathering at Jallianwala Bagh and ultimately the Jallianwala Bagh massacre.
  
• 
  
• Maghfoor Ahmad Ajazi was a noted Urdu poet, writer and orator. He vehemently opposed Jinnah's Two-nation theory and the creation of Pakistan. He founded the All-India Jamhur Muslim League to counter Jinnah's Muslim League, and served as its first general secretary. He formed the 'Ajazi Troop' to promote and train youngsters for freedom struggle. He started the mutthia drive to collect funds for nationalist activities. Under this drive, Ajazi and his followers went door to door urging people to contribute one mutthi (fistful) of donation towards India's freedom struggle.
• 
  
• Maulana Mazharul Haque organised the Home Rule movement in Bihar and was its president in 1916. He actively participated in the Champaran Satyagraha along with fellow eminent nationalists Rajendra Prasad, Anugrah Narayan Sinha and Brajkishore Prasad for which he was sentenced to 3 months imprisonment. Subsequently, when the Non Cooperation and Khilafat Movements were launched, Mazharul Haque gave up his lucrative legal practice and his elected post as member of the Imperial Legislative Council as a mark of protest against the infamous Rowlat Act of 1919. He also started "The Motherland" an English weekly journal (later bi-weekly) which was used to propagate thoughts and ideals of the Non Cooperation Movement.
• Mahmud al-Hasan, also known as Shaykh-ul-Hind, was a Deobandi scholar who organised efforts to start an armed revolution against British rule from both within and outside India. He launched a programme to train volunteers from among his disciples in India and abroad who joined this movement in a large number. He, along with Maulana Ubaidullah Sindhi, planned the Silk Letter Movement that aimed at freeing India from the British rule by allying with Ottoman Turkey, Imperial Germany, and Afghanistan. However, the plot was uncovered by the police midway and its planners imprisoned.
  
• Abdul Hafiz Mohamed Barakatullah was one of the founders of the revolutionary Ghadar Party. Later he became the first prime minister of the Provisional Government of India established on 1 December 1915 in Kabul with Raja Mahendra Pratap as its president. Barkatullah went to several countries of the world with a mission to rouse politically the Indian community and to seek support for the freedom of India from the famous leaders of the time in those countries.
  
• 
  
• Badruddin Tyabji was the first Muslim president of the Indian National Congress. He worked actively for the emancipation of women and co-founded the Bombay Presidency Association on 1885.
• 
  
• Rafi Ahmed Kidwai was a prominent leader of the Khilafat Movement and a social reformer. He became the Home Minister of UP after the formation of the provincial governments for the first time in 1937. He also became India's first Minister for Communications after independence.
  
• Hakim Ajmal Khan was a Unani physician who participated in the Non-co-operation movement, led the Khilafat Movement, and became the fifth Muslim President of the Indian National Congress in 1921. He also founded the Jamia Millia Islamia University along with several other educational institutions.

• Syed Hasan Imam, hailed by many as the finest Indian barrister in British India, led the Khilafat Movement and the Civil Disobedience Movement in Bihar. Among other things, he was a social reformer who worked for the amelioration of the position of women and the depressed classes.]

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As far as me grateful to British empire well you need to use words carefully, BUT anyway Some good things brits did should be praised.

I'm aware of the history of my nation .Are you aware if yours ? I referred to the role of the Muslim League not the Muslims.

Please read my post again & please don't thrust your prejudices upon me .

Lastly , you can take your warnings & stick it up your backside.

They came to do business, not conducting war, what's not to like? we are not hypocrites and delusional like u, proud speaking masters tongue and bitching master. Who said Japan is the largest investor? Did we speak Japanese, adopt their language proudly as a national language and mock other people not speaking well? what your elites are doing, busy taking bribes and kickbacks and send them to their children in Britain?

No.You did what any good hooker would do.You took your John's money & since you saw him lonely & desperate you enticed him with sweet words & made him part with more of his money . Since you had no further use of him , with your pockets now full , you started abusing your John & threw him out accusing him of everything a good Street walker would against an inconvenient customer.

Game Set & Match Wumao.

This is what respected international news portals have to say about Sino Japanese economic relations .Next time try VPN networks .You'd be able to do a much more comprehensive search courtesy Google instead of Baidu search .You'd also gain a better perspective of the world & not share the same vision as the CCP .

http://thediplomat.com/2016/03/japan-and-china-the-geo-economic-dimension/

 

[Crixus]

Shashi tharoor's speech in oxford

 

[MadDog]

Lets take Punjab , Sindh and KPK as an example. Punjab and Sindh were annexed by British in 1830's and KPK later on. Yet in their 100 year rule, they gave educational system, judicial system, governance system, military system, built universities, hospitals, railway network, world's biggest irrigation system, canal network, prestigious schools, arts colleges, medical colleges, parks and the list goes on and on. No previous ruler did that, yes they did make hiran minar when a mughal king hunted down his favourite dear, he burried it and made a tower over it..thats how they wasted money. If British were not here, there would have been 20-30 independent sovereign states in Subcontinent !!!

 

[nautilaceae]

Of course the Chinese won against the Japenese.The Americans & the allies were bystanders . It was the bravery of Chairman Mao, Lin Biao & all the other grandees of the CCP who won the day while Chiang Kai Shek & the Kuomintang were busy playing pocket table tennis .

The rape of Nanjing never happened .Pu Yi was never re instated as Emperor .

Btw - the last part of your lost was eerily prescient about yourself & your countrymen .Don't you swear allegiance to the CCP before the country. This certainly wouldn't be De meaning to you or your ancestors .After all it started in the 16 th century when your ancestors started kowtowing to Manchus & sporting queues.

It was a victory for the allied forces. Regardless the political party, KMT and CCP are Chinese. Are you going to argue BJP is not Indian because it was a nascent party during British colonial era?

Qing was an integration of Manchu and Han, each emperor claimed Chinese Mandate of Heaven, continued the two millennium old Han Chinese imperial system and Confucianism, as well as Chinese language and custom.

Without the British , the US would still be populated by the local Indian tribes , my dear chopsuey with Szechuan sauce.So would Australia.And speaking of the PRC ,where would you be without the Mongols ?After all Yunan , Xinjiang & Tibet were first brought under Dadu under Kubhilai Khan only to lose these provinces with the exception of Yunan under the Ming , brought under Beijing once again under the Manchus who also brought Manchuria under Sinic rule .

Where would you be without these people whom you still see as foreign barbarians ?

China would still be China. It was a centralized state for over 2000 years, Mongols didn't even emerge until middle ages. Xinjiang was part of old Han dynasty that established the Silk Road. The area around Manchuria had always been part of China under various dynasties, including Ming before the revolt.

 

[MadDog]

Lets take Punjab , Sindh and KPK as an example. Punjab and Sindh were annexed by British in 1830's and KPK later on. Yet in their 100 year rule, they gave educational system, judicial system, governance system, military system, built universities, hospitals, railway network, world's biggest irrigation system, canal network, prestigious schools, arts colleges, medical colleges, parks and the list goes on and on. No previous monarch did that, yes they did make hiran minar when a mughal king hunted down his favourite dear, he burried it and made a tower over it..thats how the monarchs wasted money. If British were not here, there would have been 20-30 independent sovereign states in Subcontinent !!!

 

[Crixus]

Punjab was annexed after second Anglo Sikh war and the fall of Sikh Empire , Punjab was under Maharaja Ranjit Singh in 1830.

Lets take Punjab , Sindh and KPK as an example. Punjab and Sindh were annexed by British in 1830's and KPK later on. Yet in their 100 year rule, they gave educational system, judicial system, governance system, military system, built universities, hospitals, railway network, world's biggest irrigation system, canal network, prestigious schools, arts colleges, medical colleges, parks and the list goes on and on. No previous ruler did that, yes they did make hiran minar when a mughal king hunted down his favourite dear, he burried it and made a tower over it..thats how they wasted money. If British were not here, there would have been 20-30 independent sovereign states in Subcontinent !!!

 

[lonelyman]

I'm aware of the history of my nation .Are you aware if yours ? I referred to the role of the Muslim League not the Muslims.

Please read my post again & please don't thrust your prejudices upon me .

Lastly , you can take your warnings & stick it up your backside.





No.You did what any good hooker would do.You took your John's money & since you saw him lonely & desperate you enticed him with sweet words & made him part with more of his money . Since you had no further use of him , with your pockets now full , you started abusing your John & threw him out accusing him of everything a good Street walker would against an inconvenient customer.

Game Set & Match Wumao.

This is what respected international news portals have to say about Sino Japanese economic relations .Next time try VPN networks .You'd be able to do a much more comprehensive search courtesy Google instead of Baidu search .You'd also gain a better perspective of the world & not share the same vision as the CCP .

http://thediplomat.com/2016/03/japan-and-china-the-geo-economic-dimension/

That's what you Indians do, lose an honest debate and unable to answer my question about adopting ur master tongue and your elites doing, then deflect to vulgar and insult? I am not at your level, it seems u have lots of experience in the hooker business, we don't.
Diplomat is a reputable source, like India times?

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

It was a victory for the allied forces. Regardless the political party, KMT and CCP are Chinese. Are you going to argue BJP is not Indian because it was a nascent party during British colonial era?

Qing was an integration of Manchu and Han, each emperor claimed Chinese Mandate of Heaven, continued the two millennium old Han Chinese imperial system and Confucianism, as well as Chinese language and custom.




China would still be China. It was a centralized state for over 2000 years, Mongols didn't even emerge until middle ages. Xinjiang was part of old Han dynasty that established the Silk Road. The area around Manchuria had always been part of China under various dynasties, including Ming before the revolt.

Please do not selectively quote me .I know for a fact all that you've written.Please refer to each & every post of all the other posters - Chinese Indian or otherwise to see why I listed what I did & please direct your posts at your compatriots .

The Mongols may have emerged around the 10 the century .But if Zhongguo enjoyed such fraternal relations with the tribes tobthe north of Manchuria why did you have the great wall constructed ?

Please also enlighten us on why is what we refer to as China called Zhongguo ( Middle Kingdom ) in Mandarin if China was a centralised state ?

Xinjiang wasn't a part of China during the Han dynasty - at least not the whole of it .It was a vassal state .There's a big difference between stare owned lands , vassal states , tributary states , etc .

Finally , the BJP never existed during the independence movement .

That's what you Indians do, lose an honest debate and unable to answer my question about adopting ur master tongue and your elites doing, then deflect to vulgar and insult? I am not at your level, it seems u have lots of experience in the hooker business, we don't.
Diplomat is a reputable source, like India times?

What's the matter , wumao ? Having comprehension problems ? See the word Musim & get fixated on it.Without noticing suffix's & prefix's ? Share vision of Iron brother , la?

A hooker is someone like Wumao who prostitutes his soul for 0.5 renminbi.Who claims to write the truth & lives a lie.Who swears by chastity & practises promiscuity .Who doesn't lift a muscle to earn a living except lie on a couch or park ones backside on a chair hunched over a PC punching away on a keyboard .All for 0.5 RMB .Or even less given the economic slow down

Refute whatever I've posted about Japanese investment in PRC with a citation of your choice then.

 

[lonelyman]

Please do not selectively quote me .I know for a fact all that you've written.Please refer to each & every post of all the other posters - Chinese Indian or otherwise to see why I listed what I did.

The Mongols may have emerged around the 10 the century .But if Zhongguo enjoyed such fraternal relations with the tribes tobthe north of Manchuria why did you have the great wall constructed ?

Please also enlighten us on why is what we refer to as China called Zhongguo ( Middle Kingdom ) in Mandarin if China was a centralised state ?

Xinjisn wasn't a part of China during the Han dynasty - at least not the whole of it .It was a vassal state .There's a big difference between stare owned lands , vassal states , tributary states , etc .

Finally , the BJP never existed during the independence movement .




What's the matter , wumao ? Having comprehension problems ? See the word Musim & get fixated on it.Without noticing suffix's & prefix's ? Share vision of Iron brother , la?

A hooker is someone like Wumao who prostitutes his soul for 0.5 renminbi.Who claims to write the truth & lives a lie.Who swears by chastity & practises promiscuity .Who doesn't lift a muscle to earn a living except lie on a couch or park ones backside on a chair hunched over a PC punching away on a keyboard .

Refute whatever I've posted about Japanese investment in PRC with a citation of your choice then.

what's to discuss about Japan investment, they do it in their own interests, not doing us a favor, by the way what's this to do with British colonization of you.

Now answer me about your proud adopting your masters tongue and mocking others for not speaking it well or what are your elites busy doing. We don't have privileges like you to be taught freely by a master for 250 years. Oops, Did I touch some nerve there?

But Don't brawl with a pig or a low life hooker like you is my motto. Why lower myself to your level - a butthurt illusional slum dweller low life Indian whore, who knows nothing but spitting poison and keyboard warring

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

what's to discuss about Japan investment, they do it in their own interests, not doing us a favor, by the way what's this to do with British colonization of you.

Now answer me about your proud adopting your masters tongue and your elites doing. But Don't brawl with a pig or a low life hooker like you is my motto. Why waste more time with a butthurt illusional slum dweller low life whore Indian, who knows nothing but bragging

The Japanese were right about you. Throw money at the Chinese & they'd sell their own mothers.You have no qualms about taking Japanese money offering justifications which no self respecting man or race would .At the same time you find nothing wrong in victimising them .Shame & Chinese are mutually exclusive .Truly .You're no hooker , wumao.They're several notches above you.You're just a confidence man.

 

[lonelyman]

The Japanese were right about you. Throw money at the Chinese & they'd sell their own mothers.You have no qualms about taking Japanese money offering justifications which no self respecting man or race would .At the same time you find nothing wrong in victimising them .Shame & Chinese are mutually exclusive .Truly .You're no hooker , wumao.They're several notches above you.You're just a confidence man.

Your delusional Indian logic is beyond me, because Japan invaded us and after we beat them back, we cannot do businesse with them later in mutual beneficial way? Americans should not do business with Japan; Germans, French should still fight to death instead of from EU? Britians, Germans, French, Americans, Japanese are all hookers by your logic?

 

[nautilaceae]

Please do not selectively quote me .I know for a fact all that you've written.Please refer to each & every post of all the other posters - Chinese Indian or otherwise to see why I listed what I did.

The Mongols may have emerged around the 10 the century .But if Zhongguo enjoyed such fraternal relations with the tribes tobthe north of Manchuria why did you have the great wall constructed ?

Please also enlighten us on why is what we refer to as China called Zhongguo ( Middle Kingdom ) in Mandarin if China was a centralised state ?

Xinjisn wasn't a part of China during the Han dynasty - at least not the whole of it .It was a vassal state .There's a big difference between stare owned lands , vassal states , tributary states , etc .

Finally , the BJP never existed during the independence movement .

I don't think you do.

Great wall was a series of strategic fortification started by Qin, many dynasties reinforced the forts even in peace times, including Qing. The tribes around Manchuria were originally the subject of Ming. They revolted due to trade disputes and Ming favoring certain tribes. look up, Seven_Grievances

China under Qin established the first centralized state in history. Zhongguo means centralized state.

Xinjiang was directly controlled by Han Dynasty. And one or two other later dynasty.


RSS existed, BJP came from RSS.

 

[damm1t]

Brits fvcked up whole world not only india... The real troublemakers...