Amnesty International calls for trial of Indian troops

[Pioneerfirst]

In another thread running parallel, our Indian Friend are quoting same amnesty International for Baluchistan issue

 

[Rocky25]

You retarted Indians feel by saying this BS you really own Kashmir. That's your dream.

Why are you getting personal? Had I told anything personal about you? I even checked the Kashmiri Map now, it is the same as it was in 1950. It is not a dream it is a reality buddy! Today, This minute, this second...

Now I know you will come with 'Wait and watch' clause!

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

In another thread running parallel, our Indian Friend are quoting same amnesty International for Baluchistan issue

...and Pakistanis are giving a similar sort of response they are getting here.

...guess there's no-one holier-than-thou here, then?

 

[Arian]

Mark my words, If Indians care too much about their alliance with western powers, at some point they'll be forced to give up their claims on Kashmir under their pressure. Just like the case of Iran that Iran had no way but to accept Bahrain's independence after the vote under international pressure.

 

[Windjammer]

Home Ministry shoots down pleas to prosecute killer soldiers

PRAVEEN SWAMI

Even as Supreme Court says murderers in uniform not protected by AFSPA, Delhi rejects findings of police investigations against Army

In the past four years alone, the Home Ministry has rejected at least 42 requests to sanction the prosecution of military personnel found by the police to have engaged in crimes such as murder, homicide and rape in Kashmir, data obtained by The Hindu reveal.

Last week, two Supreme Court judges said the Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act (AFSPA) — which makes the Central government's sanction mandatory for prosecution — ought not to cover cases in which crimes such as murder or rape were committed. “You go to a place in exercise of AFSPA, you commit rape, you commit murder, then where is the question of sanction?” Justices B.S. Chauhan and Swatanter Kumar said.

Thirty-one of the cases in which sanction was denied relate to rape, culpable homicide or murder. The others involve a wide variety of crimes, ranging from criminal trespass to illegal confinement. In not a single case, The Hindu found, had sanction been granted.

Not a few of the cases in which sanction was denied involve victims unconnected with terror. In 1991, for example, the police established that an unidentified body floating in the Dal Lake was that of Muhammad Ayub Bhat, a Batwara resident with no record of involvement in terror.

Brigadier Gulshan Rao, then in charge of Srinagar's Field Ordnance Depot, was charged with his murder. The Ministry rejected the request for sanction on March 3, 2009.

Likewise, local resident Muhammad Ashraf Aul and a Major-rank officer were found responsible for an attempted rape of a Beerwah woman in 1997.

The case — initially closed and then reopened in 2001 after fresh evidence of the officer's identity emerged — was rejected by the Ministry on September 12, 2011.

In 1997, investigators charged troops of the 3 Kumaon Regiment with beating up Ganderbal resident Abdul Khaliq Wani, resulting in his death.

Adjutant Yoginder Mohan was held responsible by the police — but the request for sanction of his prosecution was denied on June 3, 2011.

The Army insists that it has court-martialled dozens of personnel for human rights violations, but will not release trial records or names, making it impossible to verify whether any of the alleged perpetrators were tried.

Officials of the Home Ministry would not discuss the cases on record, but said the investigations were conducted shoddily. A senior official noted that in 2010, Jammu and Kashmir had the lowest conviction rate among all the States for murder, at 17.1 per cent against the national average of 36.7 per cent. The conviction rate for rape was 2.1 per cent against 26.6 per cent nationwide.

Police officials, however, said the Ministry's rejection letters did not point to specific problems in the investigations, recording only that “no case is made out.” “How is it,” a senior officer said, “that the Ministry of Home Affairs gives our personnel medals every year for their investigation of terrorists, but can't find a single case where our findings against the Army are correct?”

The Ministry often takes years to process requests. The case the Supreme Court is now hearing dates back to March, 2000, when the Army killed five south Kashmir residents and allegedly passed them off as the Lashkar-e-Taiba men, who had shot dead 36 Sikhs in the village of Chattisinghpora.

In the years since, there have been several similar outrages: among them, the 2007 execution of villagers in Ganderbal by a rogue military unit, and at Macchel in 2010. In both these cases, sanction to prosecute is yet to be received, though the trial of other suspects, including police officers, has begun.
The Hindu : News / National : Home Ministry shoots down pleas to prosecute killer soldiers

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

Mark my words, If Indians care too much about their alliance with western powers, at some point they'll be forced to give up their claims on Kashmir under their pressure. Just like the case of Iran that Iran had no way but to accept Bahrain's independence after the vote under international pressure.

Indians want friendly relations with all countries.

Barring a few countries, of course, most of the countries in the world have good and pretty friendly relations with India.

It's been the mainstay of our foreign policy since our independence.

 

[Fasih Khan]

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Indians want friendly relations with all countries.

Barring a few countries, of course, most of the countries in the world have good and pretty friendly relations with India.

It's been the mainstay of our foreign policy since our independence.

You, Blatant Liars. Count some ''Friendly Countries'' in your neighborhood to support your claim.

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

You, Blatant Liars. Count some ''Friendly Countries'' in your neighborhood to support your claim.

I do not come here to prod ostriches to pull their heads out of sands.

Your ignorance is my strength and I shall not partake in dispelling it.

 

[Rocky25]

Mark my words, If Indians care too much about their alliance with western powers, at some point they'll be forced to give up their claims on Kashmir under their pressure. Just like the case of Iran that Iran had no way but to accept Bahrain's independence after the vote under international pressure.

India has independent foreign policy! We will learn from others mistakes too! Time again, Kashmir is an integral part of India.... India is a defacto 6th nuclear power... No international pressure had able to deny that name to India!

 

[Rocky25]

I do not come here to prod ostriches to pull their heads out of sands.

Your ignorance is my strength and I shall not partake in dispelling it.

Double like! If India is not a friendly country they why are the Europeans are fighting eachother to see critical technologies to India with TOT. Money speaks....

 

[Arian]

Indians want friendly relations with all countries.

Barring a few countries, of course, most of the countries in the world have good and pretty friendly relations with India.

It's been the mainstay of our foreign policy since our independence.

A friend is an enemy that has not attacked yet. I'm sure all those western powers would appreciate India losing Kashmir because it weakens India. None of these global powers want a new power to rise and become a competitor for themselves, they may like India to play some global roles when it meets their interests, but they don't want India to challenge themselves, so it's reasonable that they appreciate the idea of an independent Kashmir.

India has independent foreign policy! We will learn from others mistakes too! Time again, Kashmir is an integral part of India.... India is a defacto 6th nuclear power... No international pressure had able to deny that name to India!

Nukes aren't going to be any lever for India against the western media hegemony. Iran too was indeed capable of crushing the separatists in there and It was indeed capable of defending Bahrain, but this is not how things work. They'll first demonize India if they want, then they'll show horrible scenes of bloodshed on TV just like what they are currently doing in Syria, then they'll pressure India to accept a referendum in Kashmir and then they'll pass UN resolutions against India to accept the result of the referendum. This is the process they imposed it on Iran in the case of Bahrain.

If India stays economically, military and politically independent from those western countries, they can certainly do nothing about it, but I first said that "IF" India cares too much about its alliance with western countries, one day it will have to accept what the "international community!!!" wants

 

[Fasih Khan]

I do not come here to prod ostriches to pull their heads out of sands.

Your ignorance is my strength and I shall not partake in dispelling it.

Obviously you haven't got answers. Throw some other lies and cheer about them.

 

[Splurgenxs]

A friend is an enemy that has not attacked yet. I'm sure all those western powers would appreciate India losing Kashmir because it weakens India. None of these global powers want a new power to rise and become a competitor for themselves, they may like India to play some global roles when it meets their interests, but they don't want India to challenge themselves, so it's reasonable that they appreciate the idea of an independent Kashmir.

ur stereotype is as if India does not kno such things ....and gets foolishly swayed by petty charm maneuvers.
India has each and every country measured up ..be it may in there military prowess or there diplomatic caliber ...

Only fools believe tht India can be a made to chose sides..,

India can only be made an offer and if its pros outmatch the cons ,consider India ur partner

 

[Splurgenxs]

You retarted Indians feel by saying this BS you really own Kashmir. That's your dream.

i dont see ur kind running arnd naked in the snows OF KAshmir.
So save ur blabber...if u want to make things a reality ur welcome to join the cause at the LOC and get first hand experience of Indian Hospitality.

 

[rubyjackass]

The below article and the OP shows that the Centre is hiding behind the AFSPA and the Supreme court(SC) while delaying prosecuting the criminal allegations against security personnel. Now the Supreme Court has exposed the Centre. SC is close to even questioning the validity of AFSPA if the excesses committed by the security personnel are criminal. It is time we show Kasmhiris and other estranged groups that we give a damn. AFSPA should be repealed at legislative level. Understandably that takes time, as 'patriotic' politicians want to give army a clean chit against people in 'unpatriotic' areas(That is the essence of AFSPA. The people of AFSPA areas are fair game for any whimsical civil or criminal violation of human rights, as long as the violation is caused by the armed forces.). Meanwhile somebody should question the constitution validity of AFSPA in cases where lives are involved.

Home Ministry shoots down pleas to prosecute killer soldiers

PRAVEEN SWAMI

Even as Supreme Court says murderers in uniform not protected by AFSPA, Delhi rejects findings of police investigations against Army

In the past four years alone, the Home Ministry has rejected at least 42 requests to sanction the prosecution of military personnel found by the police to have engaged in crimes such as murder, homicide and rape in Kashmir, data obtained by The Hindu reveal.

Last week, two Supreme Court judges said the Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act (AFSPA) — which makes the Central government's sanction mandatory for prosecution — ought not to cover cases in which crimes such as murder or rape were committed. “You go to a place in exercise of AFSPA, you commit rape, you commit murder, then where is the question of sanction?” Justices B.S. Chauhan and Swatanter Kumar said.

Thirty-one of the cases in which sanction was denied relate to rape, culpable homicide or murder. The others involve a wide variety of crimes, ranging from criminal trespass to illegal confinement. In not a single case, The Hindu found, had sanction been granted.

Not a few of the cases in which sanction was denied involve victims unconnected with terror. In 1991, for example, the police established that an unidentified body floating in the Dal Lake was that of Muhammad Ayub Bhat, a Batwara resident with no record of involvement in terror.

Brigadier Gulshan Rao, then in charge of Srinagar's Field Ordnance Depot, was charged with his murder. The Ministry rejected the request for sanction on March 3, 2009.

Likewise, local resident Muhammad Ashraf Aul and a Major-rank officer were found responsible for an attempted rape of a Beerwah woman in 1997.

The case — initially closed and then reopened in 2001 after fresh evidence of the officer's identity emerged — was rejected by the Ministry on September 12, 2011.

In 1997, investigators charged troops of the 3 Kumaon Regiment with beating up Ganderbal resident Abdul Khaliq Wani, resulting in his death.

Adjutant Yoginder Mohan was held responsible by the police — but the request for sanction of his prosecution was denied on June 3, 2011.

The Army insists that it has court-martialled dozens of personnel for human rights violations, but will not release trial records or names, making it impossible to verify whether any of the alleged perpetrators were tried.

Officials of the Home Ministry would not discuss the cases on record, but said the investigations were conducted shoddily. A senior official noted that in 2010, Jammu and Kashmir had the lowest conviction rate among all the States for murder, at 17.1 per cent against the national average of 36.7 per cent. The conviction rate for rape was 2.1 per cent against 26.6 per cent nationwide.

Police officials, however, said the Ministry's rejection letters did not point to specific problems in the investigations, recording only that “no case is made out.” “How is it,” a senior officer said, “that the Ministry of Home Affairs gives our personnel medals every year for their investigation of terrorists, but can't find a single case where our findings against the Army are correct?”

The Ministry often takes years to process requests. The case the Supreme Court is now hearing dates back to March, 2000, when the Army killed five south Kashmir residents and allegedly passed them off as the Lashkar-e-Taiba men, who had shot dead 36 Sikhs in the village of Chattisinghpora.

In the years since, there have been several similar outrages: among them, the 2007 execution of villagers in Ganderbal by a rogue military unit, and at Macchel in 2010. In both these cases, sanction to prosecute is yet to be received, though the trial of other suspects, including police officers, has begun.
The Hindu : News / National : Home Ministry shoots down pleas to prosecute killer soldiers