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Amit Shah: If BJP wins West Bengal, not even a bird will enter from Bangladesh

Brian,
I forgot to add to my earlier post on "wealth distribution " . Even though Bangladesh is ahead ( per claims ) on "social indices" their production
and wealth generation is primarily through the export ( 85% ) of RMG.
The prime occupation other than agriculture is tailoring. The nation is not an industrialized society like China or Japan, and in fact none of the South Asian countries are really industrialized though India minus it's "cow belt" states particularly its southern zones is nearing an industrialized or service sector economy.
One of the most stark indicators of social development is personal and public transport. Bangladesh and India both have human powered transport, a particularly low level of human exploitation and degradation. India seems to have moved away from this in some of the more prosperous zones. Bangladesh still needs some time.
Pakistan still has animal powered transport but no human powered vehicles.

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That’s a good source of income with a very low investment. A rickshaw puller earns 15-20k taka or even more a month. How many Pakistanis make that kind of money?

It’s also popular for short ride and many likes it as they enjoy the fresh air while while riding on it.

Yes animal powered transport as you mentioned is the best transport for Pakistan which Bangladesh has mostly abandoned.
 
I like how you simultaneously piss of Indians , Bangladeshis and Pakistanis...

Your knowledge is really great too.. Makes Indian and bangladeshis scratch their heads.. Notice how some have gone on to abuse you instead of replying in dignified manner.

Go though his posts.

He is intellectually dishonest and pushes a clear agenda.

Also @Baibars_1260

Please comment on this given your stated rationale for your positions in other threads.


Should Pakistan target SA now as well?
 
Go though his posts.

He is intellectually dishonest and pushes a clear agenda.

Also @Baibars_1260

Please comment on this given your stated rationale for your positions in other threads.


Should Pakistan target SA now as well?
Off topic.
But will answer and with references to Bangladesh.
Let's bust some myths first.
There is no such thing as "Islamic Ummah" anywhere in the world today. It may have existed in the time of the first four Rashidun Caliphs, though even here three of the four were assassinated by rival factions. Language, culture, tribal pride did matter then and does today. Self interest counts.
The Saudis participated with Christian European Imperialism to defeat the Ottoman Empire and slaughter the Turks. Now the Saudis could very likely team up with India and defeat Pakistan and slaughter Pakistanis. A weaker power always seeks the alliance of a stronger power against its superior enemy. India is the strongest military power in the region, though in an ultimate war using weapons of mass destruction this will not matter.
But India's alliance is still much sought after if Pakistan or possibly Iran has to be kept in check.

In the pre-nuclear age Bangladesh did exactly what Saudi Arabia is doing today and used its alliance with India to defeat Pakistan in the Civil War. However, Pakistan's Civil War defeat was not total unlike normal Civil Wars where the winning faction gets control of the entire nation. Pakistan retained control of its vital, strategic and far more defensible Western territory along with its rich mineral
and water resources and natural beauty. Pakistan also retained control of the core of its armed forces allowing it to rebuild and threaten India's territories .
Thus Pakistan's defeat was not like Germany or Japan in World War 2.
Pakistan deftly used its international clout to get back its prisoners and territories from India. But most important was India's desire to give preference to building relations with Pakistan over Bangladesh. I never knew this until yesterday when I read the excellent study on this subject that has been done by Princton University Scholar
Gary J Bass in his paper "Bargaining away Justice" . Reading this paper with declassified information now available is an eye opener for Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis, As a Pakistani I felt quite relieved to read this document, and it made me look very differently on India 50 years after our Civil War. I am hopeful that if sense prevails now as it did then we can still avoid nuking ourselves. Then as of now Bangladesh was peripheral to the interests of both Pakistan and India.
Following is clear after reading this paper :

1. Bangladesh is never going to get any sort of "apology " from Pakistan.

2. India is not going to pressurize or intercede with Pakistan on Bangladesh's behalf for war reparations, apologies, trials of "war criminals " nor will any other nation. Bangladesh is alone in dealing with Pakistan ( unless it joins a future war with India against Pakistan ).

3. India is primarily concerned with avoiding a showdown with Pakistan, and will look to only display as much military posturing as to prevent a full blown war. There was a brief moment of madness in February 2019 but for now matters are likely to be quiet.

4. Optics aside, Pakistan has no real interest in negotiations or improved relations with Bangladesh, and the last thing Pakistan will discuss is the Civil War. If it had not been for the prisoners of war held by India, Pakistan may never have recognized Bangladesh and nor would the majority of Muslim nations as well as China.

5. Military incompetence has consequences. In the third week of December 1971, Bangladesh and India were at the peak of their friendship and power backed by the Soviet Union. Yet they were not strong enough to crush Pakistan in the West. The fighting in the West was by India alone, but India's failure to break Pakistan ultimately resulted in Bangladesh making a humiliating compromise on prisoners of war trials.

6, So Bangladesh's dependence on India resulted in severe lack of maneuvering room.

Returning to General Narvane and India Saudi relations, Pakistan has nothing to be worried about the visit or joint exercises. Militarily there is no threat, other than the existing threat from India alone. The economic angle is more for Pakistan to worry about. Therefore Pakistan doesn't need to "target" Saudi Arabia . Unlike the India Bangladesh alliance in 1971 a potential Indo-Saudi Arabia alliance is not interested in getting into a slugging match with Pakistan. There is no "Mukti" movement anywhere, Pakistan has no territorial disputes with Saudi Arabia. Even India doesn't imagine Saudi troops fighting in Kashmir or making an amphibian landing in Gawadar .
Saudi Arabia is worried about Yemen and Iran and is attempting to posture in front of Pakistan because it didn't get the support it needed to fight in Yemen. The international order is changing with the rise of China, but there is still a risk of madness by a king who carves up a journalist or a leader who believes radar doesn't work in cloudy weather.

Pakistan has been in a war economy for twenty years so common economic factors determining economic progress such as stock market, etc. don't count. Vietnam had no stock market and it's economy was a tiny fraction of the USA but it had a competent army and the support of China and the Soviet Union. Likewise Pakistan has an existential struggle to fight and it matters little what the size of the GDP is.
 
its amazing that ppl like Modi and Amit Shah thrive in educated India you dont hear them speak about problems faced by Indians about poverty all they talk about is Muslims and other countries and yet get elected to lead India! that shows that indians are illiterate turds who dont aspire to do good things for themselves and their country or their only desire is destruction of Muslims Islam and Pakistan!!

crazy cow fkrs!
 
How can I put it without insulting............................, oh what the heck.

If I had a dog as ugly as him..., i'd shave his *** and teach him to walk backwards.



Eve the most ugliest ape in the world is nowhere near as ugly as him.
That’s a good source of income with a very low investment. A rickshaw puller earns 15-20k taka or even more a month. How many Pakistanis make that kind of money?

It’s also popular for short ride and many likes it as they enjoy the fresh air while while riding on it.

Yes animal powered transport as you mentioned is the best transport for Pakistan which Bangladesh has mostly abandoned.


Pakistan doesn't have animal attached transport anymore. It hugely stopped in 2005.
 
As i said many times, BD China and Pak are natural allies to combat a common regional hegemon. Islamabad recognises. So does beijing.

The regional hegemon recognises this as well. Hence the said entity is making such moronic statements like this. It is Scared, sad, angry and desperate. Desperate as its house of cards is shaking.

Its only a matter of time before this alliance Between Bejing Islamabad and Dhaka shows itself at world stage.
 
As i said many times, BD China and Pak are natural allies to combat a common regional hegemon. Islamabad recognises. So does beijing.

The regional hegemon recognises this as well. Hence the said entity is making such moronic statements like this. It is Scared, sad, angry and desperate. Desperate as its house of cards is shaking.

Its only a matter of time before this alliance Between Bejing Islamabad and Dhaka shows itself at world stage.


India doesn't like a two front war with China and Pakistan in the North.
Bangladesh is not a factor for India. India will handle Bangladesh to it's own advantage in any such war situation. In a Sino Indian or Sino-Pakistan Indian war Bangladesh can only support India or at best desperately try to be seen as "neutral".
Offering, or even appearing to offer any kind of diplomatic support to either Pakistan or China, will result in a crushing military response from India . Even neutrality will not be taken kindly by India, and India will demand, or take by force full road, rail, air and waterway transit across Bangladesh territory to support operations in Arunachal Pradesh.
It is far more likely that Bangladesh will offer these facilities on its own rather than risk an Indian military takeover.
For India, Bangladesh poses no risk to the "chickens neck" ( Siliguri corridor ). In case of an unforeseen collapse of the Indian front to China in that sector, India will swiftly invade Bangladesh to take over it's transit routes and facilities to support its operations in the east. This is exactly like Belgium's case in World War 2 when it's neutrality was meaningless in the face of Germany's military objectives.

Bangladesh's strategic and tactical situation is precarious. Bangladesh has a non-professional army with insufficient and outdated hardware riddled with corruption ( read Gen Hasan Sarwardy interview ).
At this time Bangladesh's Armed Forces have no capabilities of even protecting its citizens from wanton sniper fire by India's border guards.

The Bangladesh Armed Forces have no capabilities of protecting its own territory. The comments by PDF members here of Bangladesh taking over 7 Indian states by cutting the "chickens neck" are not realistic. Any such attempt will result in Indian retaliation that will cause severe or total destruction of Bangladesh's infrastructure.
Due to geography and the fact that Bangladesh is an enclave India doesn't need to put any boots on the ground or even commit its air force. Every bit of Bangladeshi territory is within range of Indian MRLS and its coastal access and ports is completely vulnerable to a Brahmos missile attack. India has allies within Bangladesh such as the Chakma insurgents. As a final punishment to Bangladesh India might carve out a "Chakmastan" from the Chittagong Hill Tracts and hand it over to the Chakmas.

If India turns on Bangladesh (in the course of a war) there is very little any foreign nation could do to help even if it wanted to. Unlike interventions in Syria or Afghanistan there is no big power vested interests in Bangladesh. Even China would be more concerned with taking Arunachal and defending Ladakh then bothering about Chittagong.

Indian war game planners have accounted for the scenario that in case
Bangladesh is annexed or even temporarily occupied there would be a partisan or gurilla resistance from remnants of the Bangladesh Armed Forces. This however would be handled by India far more easily than the situation faced by Pakistan in 1971.

India would not have the logistical disadvantages faced by Pakistan. The Indian occupation backed by India's 1 million paramilitary and reserve forces will outmatch Bangladesh numerically.( Example: West Bengals Eastern Frontier Rifles ( Bengali Speaking), supporting 26 battalions of the Bihar Regiment ( with many Bengali speaking assets) as well as the Bihar Military Police would be enough to secure Dhaka. India has huge Bengali language resources for its intelligence and population control which was unavailable to Pakistan in 1971.
The Bangladeshi resistance without shelter, protection and resupply from a friendly foreign base ( as in 1971) will quickly run out of resources. Bangladesh has no indigenous arms industry of any significance to support a people's resistance.
It is very likely that Myanmar ( looking over the shoulder at China ) will attempt a deal with India to annex the CHT.

What options does Bangladesh have ?
Obviously...
Keep marching in India's Republic Day parades, and hope that the BSF shoots less of its civilians each year.
 
India doesn't like a two front war with China and Pakistan in the North.
Bangladesh is not a factor for India. India will handle Bangladesh to it's own advantage in any such war situation. In a Sino Indian or Sino-Pakistan Indian war Bangladesh can only support India or at best desperately try to be seen as "neutral".
Offering, or even appearing to offer any kind of diplomatic support to either Pakistan or China, will result in a crushing military response from India . Even neutrality will not be taken kindly by India, and India will demand, or take by force full road, rail, air and waterway transit across Bangladesh territory to support operations in Arunachal Pradesh.
It is far more likely that Bangladesh will offer these facilities on its own rather than risk an Indian military takeover.
For India, Bangladesh poses no risk to the "chickens neck" ( Siliguri corridor ). In case of an unforeseen collapse of the Indian front to China in that sector, India will swiftly invade Bangladesh to take over it's transit routes and facilities to support its operations in the east. This is exactly like Belgium's case in World War 2 when it's neutrality was meaningless in the face of Germany's military objectives.

Bangladesh's strategic and tactical situation is precarious. Bangladesh has a non-professional army with insufficient and outdated hardware riddled with corruption ( read Gen Hasan Sarwardy interview ).
At this time Bangladesh's Armed Forces have no capabilities of even protecting its citizens from wanton sniper fire by India's border guards.

The Bangladesh Armed Forces have no capabilities of protecting its own territory. The comments by PDF members here of Bangladesh taking over 7 Indian states by cutting the "chickens neck" are not realistic. Any such attempt will result in Indian retaliation that will cause severe or total destruction of Bangladesh's infrastructure.
Due to geography and the fact that Bangladesh is an enclave India doesn't need to put any boots on the ground or even commit its air force. Every bit of Bangladeshi territory is within range of Indian MRLS and its coastal access and ports is completely vulnerable to a Brahmos missile attack. India has allies within Bangladesh such as the Chakma insurgents. As a final punishment to Bangladesh India might carve out a "Chakmastan" from the Chittagong Hill Tracts and hand it over to the Chakmas.

If India turns on Bangladesh (in the course of a war) there is very little any foreign nation could do to help even if it wanted to. Unlike interventions in Syria or Afghanistan there is no big power vested interests in Bangladesh. Even China would be more concerned with taking Arunachal and defending Ladakh then bothering about Chittagong.

Indian war game planners have accounted for the scenario that in case
Bangladesh is annexed or even temporarily occupied there would be a partisan or gurilla resistance from remnants of the Bangladesh Armed Forces. This however would be handled by India far more easily than the situation faced by Pakistan in 1971.

India would not have the logistical disadvantages faced by Pakistan. The Indian occupation backed by India's 1 million paramilitary and reserve forces will outmatch Bangladesh numerically.( Example: West Bengals Eastern Frontier Rifles ( Bengali Speaking), supporting 26 battalions of the Bihar Regiment ( with many Bengali speaking assets) as well as the Bihar Military Police would be enough to secure Dhaka. India has huge Bengali language resources for its intelligence and population control which was unavailable to Pakistan in 1971.
The Bangladeshi resistance without shelter, protection and resupply from a friendly foreign base ( as in 1971) will quickly run out of resources. Bangladesh has no indigenous arms industry of any significance to support a people's resistance.
It is very likely that Myanmar ( looking over the shoulder at China ) will attempt a deal with India to annex the CHT.

What options does Bangladesh have ?
Obviously...
Keep marching in India's Republic Day parades, and hope that the BSF shoots less of its civilians each year.
In the event of anywar with BD. India will simply occupy the country in 14 days. However this will result in a restless and revolting population.

As a result india will have to deploy significant number of assets to control or atleast prevent this angry population from entering india proper.

Resulting in 2 front war ( pak and china) and 2 insurgencies ( in kashmir and bengal)

Beijing knows this, islamabad knows this dhaka knows this.

BD is of extreme strategic importance in terms of making indians waste their assets.



What the war game planners did not account for is a dwindling budget that it facing today and will face in the future. India barely has enough resource to fight Pakistan and china. Then contain insurgencies? You crazy?

With their current economy and internal security issues no way. Never can they sustain a fight against public unrest.

Burma? Hah, another country that is jist getting by with its own internal problem. Why would they take CHT? If all of CHT goes to BD Burma border and piss, they can flood the entire burma... Thats how many people there is in CHT.

Burma will stay neutral in any conflict.
 
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Nope. They are Arabs. We don't target them. We submit to them.

@PAKISTANFOREVER , @PakistaniAtBahrain

Lets be realistic and not sarcastic.

From 1971 to 1973 almost all these Arabs nations, and most of the OIC members stood by Pakistan against Bangladesh ( and India) refusing to recognize the territory until all Pakistani POWs held by India has returned home. Arab and OIC pressure compounded with China and USAs refusal to allow Bangladesh to join the United Nations forced Bangladesh into a humiliating submission to drop its demands for a war crimes trial and apology from Pakistan. Bangladesh's isolation was so intense that ultimately Sheikh Mujib ( the victor of the civil war) had to fly to Lahore to attend the OIC summit ( after strident declarations Bangladesh would not attend ). It was Pakistan's strong alliance with its Arab partners ( as well as with Iran) that saw us through the darkest days of our history.

Gary Bass ( Princeton University) has detailed this in his paper Broken Justice based on declassified documents. I linked it in my post below.

Thus Pakistan's defeat was not like Germany or Japan in World War 2.
Pakistan deftly used its international clout to get back its prisoners and territories from India. But most important was India's desire to give preference to building relations with Pakistan over Bangladesh. I never knew this until yesterday when I read the excellent study on this subject that has been done by Princton University Scholar
Gary J Bass in his paper "Bargaining away Justice" . Reading this paper with declassified information now available is an eye opener for Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis, As a Pakistani I felt quite relieved to read this document, and it made me look very differently on India 50 years after our Civil War. I am hopeful that if sense prevails now as it did then we can still avoid nuking ourselves. Then as of now Bangladesh was peripheral to the interests of both Pakistan and India.
Following is clear after reading this paper :

1. Bangladesh is never going to get any sort of "apology " from Pakistan.

2. India is not going to pressurize or intercede with Pakistan on Bangladesh's behalf for war reparations, apologies, trials of "war criminals " nor will any other nation. Bangladesh is alone in dealing with Pakistan ( unless it joins a future war with India against Pakistan ).

3. India is primarily concerned with avoiding a showdown with Pakistan, and will look to only display as much military posturing as to prevent a full blown war. There was a brief moment of madness in February 2019 but for now matters are likely to be quiet.

4. Optics aside, Pakistan has no real interest in negotiations or improved relations with Bangladesh, and the last thing Pakistan will discuss is the Civil War. If it had not been for the prisoners of war held by India, Pakistan may never have recognized Bangladesh and nor would the majority of Muslim nations as well as China.

5. Military incompetence has consequences. In the third week of December 1971, Bangladesh and India were at the peak of their friendship and power backed by the Soviet Union. Yet they were not strong enough to crush Pakistan in the West. The fighting in the West was by India alone, but India's failure to break Pakistan ultimately resulted in Bangladesh making a humiliating compromise on prisoners of war trials.

6, So Bangladesh's dependence on India resulted in severe lack of maneuvering room.
 
In the event of anywar with BD. India will simply occupy the country in 14 days. However this will result in a restless and revolting population.

As a result india will have to deploy significant number of assets to control or atleast prevent this angry population from entering india proper.

Resulting in 2 front war ( pak and china) and 2 insurgencies ( in kashmir and bengal)

Beijing knows this, islamabad knows this dhaka knows this.

BD is of extreme strategic importance in terms of making indians waste their assets.

What the war game planners did not account for is a dwindling budget. India barely has enough resource to fight Pakistan and china. Then contain insurgencies? You crazy?

With their current economy, no way. Never.

India doesn't have enough power in the Eastern front to occupy in 14 days. I am not sure where you are getting your information !
 

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