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Amid border tensions, Nawaz sends Modi mangoes

white elephants use what ever they can to fund themselves.....

which threat does the media talk more of, pakistan or china, in india ? And which one does the public view as a more immediate/serious threat, pakistan or china ? I'm pretty sure it's pakistan....

so there you go....

it's just these serving and retired generals together minting money from the defence industry...that's all.
Actually when India's defence budget needs to be enhanced, the media is full of chinese threat. Otherwise threat from Pakistan is more on terror side than military. However, people here love the defence comparison between India and Pak.
Just curious to know what the army officers do in Pakistan after their retirement? I have seen officers of the rank of Major General in Indian Army seeking employment in private sector. Many retired Colonels and Brigadiers are working as Chief Security Officers of factory townships.
 
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Why did he send mangoes? Because we are aam admi (mango people)!! :D
 
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who you calling Jackass? Modi G is a prime Minster of India
Nawaz is keeping his "sweet" because he has investments worth millions in India.




this is nice of him to send mangoes. after all India is one of his biggest investment base like UAE and UK.
question is .. did Modi keep the Mangoes or shoved them up his arse* since Pakistani rangers returned the sweets from BSF due to fatalities due to recent border firing.
I often hear in pdf NS has business interests in India but none has given what is his investment? which sector he invested ? When he invested?
What personal business he carries out with Indians?
 
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I often hear in pdf NS has business interests in India but none has given what is his investment? which sector he invested ? When he invested?
What personal business he carries out with Indians?

He is alleged to have invested in sugar factories in India.....(btw i learnt it from PDF)...... I wonder how he managed to invest here..... and there are people who believes this sh1t
 
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who you calling Jackass? Modi G is a prime Minster of India
Nawaz is keeping his "sweet" because he has investments worth millions in India.

This is nice of him to send mangoes. after all India is one of his biggest investment base like UAE and UK.
question is .. did Modi keep the Mangoes or shoved them up his arse* since Pakistani rangers returned the sweets from BSF due to fatalities due to recent border firing.

Is that really the case? Are you sure? Have you seen Modi come out openly and say something "I want war with Pakistan" or "I want hostilities at the border"? Although he actually wants a war to be honest to you.
But the Pakistani army is in no position to fight, its busy in FATA, its busy in Sindh, Baluchistan and now helping flood victims. How do you fight with an Army of 300,000 with another army fully prepared and has over 800,000 troops to be put onto your border?

People like you and other people from the military or the ex-military are so hawkish that they have no idea how serious of a situation this is and how big of a puddle of shiit Pakistan is under. So NS is doing what India did in the 90's, law low, put your head down, GROW THE DAMN ECONOMY. Once that's all set and you can afford to have a defense budget of $ 20-25 billion, TRUST ME, you can then be hawkish. Right now, you'll end up breaking your country or damaging parts of it.

This is just one way to show the world that the Pakistanis want to engage in diplomacy. At the end, no war will serve any real purpose to the region and millions will die if a war was to break out. Its time to let go of anti-NS mentality. The guys put in a strong foundation for a future Pakistan to build. On this very forum, there is a thread called development in Pakistan. Check out how much work is being done in all provinces to create an infrastructure for everything for a progressive, modern and future Pakistan. I think you guys should work as a nation, not as a war monger hawkish regime who doesn't have the ability to be in a full scale war with India, but yet, people like you, are too busy suggesting that, directly and indirectly.
 
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Why not any other fruit,mangoes are boring (being 40% of world production).

Send some kashmiri embroidery for modi as a tribute.
 
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I often hear in pdf NS has business interests in India but none has given what is his investment? which sector he invested ? When he invested?

This is how it is. This forum's majority of the population comes from the families of well established people in Pakistan's military or people directly coming from the military. So you'll see war mongering and suggesting NS as a corrupt person with interest in India. It almost feels like NS has more business interests than the owners of TaTa industries and NS carries an Indian or British passport. Its so stupid. Anyone trying to talk peace becomes a "traitor" to these people. Sad part is, they can't open their eyes and see that their military is 40% less in numbers due to deployed across the country for operations. They have no chance beyond a week or so, so get into a non-nuclear conflict with India. But yet, these supermen heroes on here will show you otherwise. Anyone working to take their country forward peacefully, becomes a traitor and that's just how it is.

Give them a general who can't grow grass, let alone a country's economy and they'll all be happy. Because the general will be too busy making sure people from the military get all the contracts and other deals. Fukk the Civilian population of 200 million people, the generals only want the 500,000 in the military to be the elite of elites!
 
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This is how it is. This forum's majority of the population comes from the families of well established people in Pakistan's military or people directly coming from the military. So you'll see war mongering and suggesting NS as a corrupt person with interest in India. It almost feels like NS has more business interests than the owners of TaTa industries and NS carries an Indian or British passport. Its so stupid. Anyone trying to talk peace becomes a "traitor" to these people. Sad part is, they can't open their eyes and see that their military is 40% less in numbers due to deployed across the country for operations. They have no chance beyond a week or so, so get into a non-nuclear conflict with India. But yet, these supermen heroes on here will show you otherwise. Anyone working to take their country forward peacefully, becomes a traitor and that's just how it is.

Give them a general who can't grow grass, let alone a country's economy and they'll all be happy. Because the general will be too busy making sure people from the military get all the contracts and other deals. Fukk the Civilian population of 200 million people, the generals only want the 500,000 in the military to be the elite of elites!


But Sir, since 2008, civilians are raping the civilians or you disagree...
 
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Why Pakistanis hate NS so much? It's a good gesture from Pakistani PM. Much appreciated.
 
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But Sir, since 2008, civilians are raping the civilians or you disagree...

Oh you didn't........I don't know about Zardari. But right now, your military's budget depends on what NS does. I think its been made very clear by the US, the EU AND the Chinese. NO interference in the Civilian rule.

GO through a thread on here called "Development projects in Pakistan" and see for yourself how much work is being done. In the mighty Army's 45 or 50 year's rule, jack squat was done. In fact, the terrorism was spread, from Karachi gangs, to Talibans and everything else. The SAME fukking "Strategic Depth" has cost you over 60,000 soldiers so far and easily many billions in losses, not to mention terrorism across the country. How many new dams or energy projects or efforts to produce IT labor or jobs or Hospitals or Highways or Trade routes did the "mighty generals" start? A VERY comfortable "0"!!! Speaks volumes.

I'd rather have civilians rape civilians and go through the democratic cleansing process and courts and work out these issues just like anywhere else like India, the US, etc. And the system will progress like it is today, showing tremendous opportunity for a country like Pakistan, than create another terrorism force somewhere else as a Strategic Depth and then fight with it for over a decade, wasting precious lives, loss of billions and trauma all across a country. The military belongs to the barracks or the border or when they are called upon by the President or the PM, depends on which ruling system your country is in. The military keeps its nose out of politics, salutes the civilians and gets their paycheck from civilian government. On her own, your military can't get a few mortars on its own from civilized countries, let alone doing large business. Its the civilians that make those things happen, EVEN in the case of China!
 
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Just curious to know what the army officers do in Pakistan after their retirement? I have seen officers of the rank of Major General in Indian Army seeking employment in private sector. Many retired Colonels and Brigadiers are working as Chief Security Officers of factory townships.

read Military Inc. by Ayesha Siddiqa.

Also, look up DHA scandals, look for fauji foundation....the previous COAS is under investigation for massive corruption....
 
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Oh you didn't........I don't know about Zardari. But right now, your military's budget depends on what NS does. I think its been made very clear by the US, the EU AND the Chinese. NO interference in the Civilian rule.

GO through a thread on here called "Development projects in Pakistan" and see for yourself how much work is being done. In the mighty Army's 45 or 50 year's rule, jack squat was done. In fact, the terrorism was spread, from Karachi gangs, to Talibans and everything else. The SAME fukking "Strategic Depth" has cost you over 60,000 soldiers so far and easily many billions in losses, not to mention terrorism across the country. How many new dams or energy projects or efforts to produce IT labor or jobs or Hospitals or Highways or Trade routes did the "mighty generals" start? A VERY comfortable "0"!!! Speaks volumes.

I'd rather have civilians rape civilians and go through the democratic cleansing process and courts and work out these issues just like anywhere else like India, the US, etc. And the system will progress like it is today, showing tremendous opportunity for a country like Pakistan, than create another terrorism force somewhere else as a Strategic Depth and then fight with it for over a decade, wasting precious lives, loss of billions and trauma all across a country. The military belongs to the barracks or the border or when they are called upon by the President or the PM, depends on which ruling system your country is in. The military keeps its nose out of politics, salutes the civilians and gets their paycheck from civilian government. On her own, your military can't get a few mortars on its own from civilized countries, let alone doing large business. Its the civilians that make those things happen, EVEN in the case of China!

For witnessing the development being done, I don't need to go through a thread.
I live here and see it myself.

If you ever have a chance to come here, you will see the military doing everything in Pakistan, which is supposed to be done by the civilians..

1. Flood control.
2. Elections control.
3. Polio control.
4. Disaster Management.
5. General Law & Order.
6. All roads in the north made by FWO
7. Anti-terrorism.

All these tasks are the responsibility of the civilian govt, but we all know what they are good at.

I am not against a civilian govt, but it must be a sincere and competent govt, not corrupt and unfortunately we only get garbage.
 
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read Military Inc. by Ayesha Siddiqa.

Also, look up DHA scandals, look for fauji foundation....the previous COAS is under investigation for massive corruption....
Thanks. I am not much aware about scandals in Pakistan and scale of it but recently one of our ex-IAF chief was found complicit in a defence deal for kickbacks. Sometimes other sr. officers names come up but for something so trivial like acquiring a flat or plot of land which was not ethically right. Right now they are fighting for One Rank One Pension for retired servicemen. Does Pakistan Army have one rank one pension scheme?
 
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He is alleged to have invested in sugar factories in India.....(btw i learnt it from PDF)...... I wonder how he managed to invest here..... and there are people who believes this sh1t
Haha.... That's sound like Sugar tycoon.....
 
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