America's demographic disasters: what can we learn and prevent in China?

[AndrewJin]

This thread is an open discussion, welcome all to engage in healthy and fact-based discussion.


America's demographic disasters:
what can we learn and prevent in China?


China is a civilisation state, unlike the newly fabricated immigration states like Australia, Canada, USA, etc.
We are still reading those poems and essays written by our ancestors several thousand years ago from our elementary Chinese textbook to college Chinese textbook.

When our babies start to talk, they will learn Tang Dynasty poet Li Bai's poem 静夜思, and learn to speak those fancy 4-character idioms which dated back to the beginning of our written history. We are proud of our language continuity, cultural cohesion, and civilisational identity. We have ups and downs in history, but our pursuit of a united and centralised civilisation state was always Chinese emperors' priority, continued by modern China's leadership from KMT in 1911 to CPC in 1949.


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China in motion

China' developed East

China's potential, less developed interior
Qiannan Prefecture, Guizhou Province, poorest province in China

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Concerning the population and economy size of Australia and Canada (less than Guangdong+Jiangsu Provinces both in GDP and population), what we can learn from the demographic tendency in USA is more constructive for China to enact our own population policies. To ensure a sustainable growth in economy and to create high-quality high-skill/education younger generations, it is advisable to focus on stimulating growth among China's increasing middle class and providing better education (especially vocational education) opportunities to the less wealthier families.

Given what we have learned from immigration countries like US and some traditional social democratic welfare states like Sweden, I suggest that sufficient benefits should be provided, however, the purpose is not to copy the disastrous rat/rabbit-breeding style of population growth as is witnessed among some low-skill/education minorities in US (will become the majority within decades), but to create an equitable pathway for all Chinese citizens to --- wealthy or poor, all intellectual and education-oriented in Chinese nature ----- to raise high-quality and high-skill/education "children" without compromising what we are doing now ---- provide the best surroundings for our "single child". The core of our culture shall never be affected by a hype, a hype in which demographic dividend will continue without noticing the new round of revolution in technology. This round, will be perhaps more revolutional than any one before, radical, brutal and even bloody.

During the era of the ongoing technological revolution, there is a huge decrease of low-skill jobs in the world (already happening). From my observation, there is no such term as demographic dividend during this revolution, only demographic disaster in which excessive low-skill labour makes for social unrests. Such tendency has already begun, we have already started to witness it around the world, not just in poorer developing countries, but also in manufacturing powerhouse like East Asia-ASEAN and Western Europe.

What we need is, high-skill labour with education level either from college or from high-quality vocational schools, especially the latter one which is the core of China's climbing up in the supply chain. The future of China's manufacturing and innovation is not on the low-skill assembling lines which will be eventually replaced by automation by large. The future lies in, DJI, Huawei, BYD, CRRC, Haier, Lenovo, and all other successful or will-be successful Chinese branded products underpinned by innovation and high valued-added industries.



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Manufacturing Team Challenge

Skills to rule: East Asia


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To sum up, my advise is:

1, Focus on education. If education and skill trainings can not be achieved, then no second child at all. Rat/rabbit-breading style population growth is much worse than continuing one-child policy.

2, Integrate our population policies with our industrial and technological policies.

3, Avoid immigration from low-skill/education background. The current strict citizenship and residency policies should not be loosed, except for on overseas Chinese and to a lesser extent confucian societies in the same region.




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Background

The Changing Demographic Profile of the United States
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/population/cb12-243.html

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All in all, minorities, now 37 percent of the U.S. population, are projected to comprise 57 percent of the population in 2060. (Minorities consist of all but the single-race, non-Hispanic white population.) The total minority population would more than double, from 116.2 million to 241.3 million over the period.

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[wonderful]

the suitable population growth must play an positive part in economy growth

 

[hexagonsnow]

，Embrace China,Embrace the future life!

 

[AndrewJin]

Blacks and Latinos have the fastest population growth in America, they are also the least productive races.

Most of them are poor, do crime, live on welfare.

Unproductive people who live on food coupons and wander around the streets are nothing but a hindrance to the society. But we should also see their potential. Some minorities in US have no such potential, decided by their nature and culture. Looking at ourselves, we have the right culture, the right nature, but we need more investment on education and high-skill vocational trainings to exploit people's potential.

We need high-skill workers and technicians who know how to handle this gigantic device, as opposed to a bunch of cheap labour who earn less than $20 a day and can merely handle traditional outdated way of laying tracks in poorer countries.

，Embrace China,Embrace the future life!

Skills to rule.

Look at some developed countries where some minorities are wasting a society's wealth accumulated by the mainstream hardworking people who will soon become the oppressed and disadvantaged minority, we must ditch those political correct ideas and embrace the reality. We must be bravely facing this technological revolution in which the number of high-quality labor and high-earning wealthy middle class outweighs the rat/rabbit-breading style which might be useful during the previous technological revolutions.

High-skill/education labour + wealthy middle class = sustainable society with minimum unproductive population

 

[Jlaw]

Blacks and Latinos have the fastest population growth in America, they are also the least productive races.

Most of them are poor, do crime, live on welfare.

That is true but to be fair the blacks were bought to America via the slave trade. The never asked to come over. As for Latinos, they are mainly Mexicans and south American people. US took over a huge chunk of what used to be part of Mexico. Thus the population of Latinos tend to be large.

Yes, the poor people in North America is out breeding the educated people creating more poor communities and increase crime.

In addition to what @AndrewJin wrote, my recommendations are:

1. Get more overseas Chinese investment and attract more Chinese students who study abroad to return after graduating and gaining a few years US work experience.

2. Continue to monitor and get rid of NGO whose main goals are to destabilize Chinese society

3. Do not fall for the politically correct trap that North American society is battling right now

4. Prosecute special interest groups as they cause harm to a society and only benefit the few.

 

[Nike]

The Irish and Italian immigrant in the past is notorious for their association with gangs mob and syndicate crimes, but look at their current position today....

 

[Beast]

The Irish and Italian immigrant in the past is notorious for their association with gangs mob and syndicate crimes, but look at their current position today....

Those Italian mobs are expertise in man management and business running. Its not some low skill job.

Running a big crime syndicate is not some low IQ thing.

 

[thesolar65]

Brazenly Racist Thread!!

 

[maximuswarrior]

Brazenly Racist Thread!!

There is nothing racist about learning from others mistakes.

 

[jkroo]

Ah, it's a too complicated issue. The truth maybe hurt in US. To us, what we have to strengthen is listed below.

1. Education! Education! Education!

2. More money to R&D investment. Strong support system for innovations and businesses not for the welfare only. People deserve the living situations for how to help themselves not the requirements or different looking.

3. Knowledge, equipment, process and skills integrated system.

4. Balanced policy for the groups of people.

5.Strong security and protection system includes army, police and the community regulations and virtue/value system except dividing people by race or ethnic groups.

6.Ensure an stable but vigorous economy entity thus bring confidence to all. You just can't well deal with most of problems in a decaying economy.

A country can't view different people groups as burden, they are wealth under a rational system.

At least, for now, we feel safe and optimistic to future, carrying money in the pocket. We need do more without talking.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Intelligence is of course one key factor in creating advanced civilisation.

 

[AndrewJin]

Those Italian mobs are expertise in man management and business running. Its not some low skill job.

Running a big crime syndicate is not some low IQ thing.

Shanghainese, in history, are famous for big gangs.
They rank the highest in PISA and many other index.
@GS Zhou @Shotgunner51

There is nothing racist about learning from others mistakes.

Exactly.
The only racist is the racists themselves who racialise everything they see, every thread they read.

 

[dy1022]

 

[AndrewJin]

Americans will have all they can be proud of after 2050.
Given their projected plummeting demographic quality, we should take action to prevent ourselves from such civilisation disaster. Since they are not a civilisation state, probably what kind of civilisation, malignant or benign, does not matter to their future majority.

Such pre-action could be "inaction", for instance, no major change to our current immigration policies (except for ethnic Chinese), or no introduction to "dole for more kids". Instead, we provide education, provide opportunities, provide teach-u-how-to-fish-wisdom rather than give-u-free-fish dole for the rat/rabbit-style-breading population.

 

[dy1022]