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The New York Times has engaged in obvious, laughable propaganda. Someone is not comfortable with the China/Russia closeness.

Why China Will Reclaim Siberia - NYTimes.com

Why China Will Reclaim Siberia
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Frank Jacobs, the author of "Strange Maps: An Atlas of Cartographic Curiosities,"blogs at Big Think.

UPDATED JULY 3, 2014, 5:41 PM

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“A land without people for a people without land.” At the turn of the 20th century, that slogan promoted Jewish migration to Palestine. It could be recycled today, justifying a Chinese takeover of Siberia. Of course, Russia's Asian hinterland isn't really empty (and neither was Palestine). But Siberia is as resource-rich and people-poor as China is the opposite. The weight of that logic scares the Kremlin.

Moscow recently restored the Imperial Arch in the Far Eastern frontier town of Blagoveshchensk, declaring: “The earth along the Amur was, is and always will be Russian.” But Russia's title to all of the land is only about 150 years old. And the sprawl of highrises in Heihe, the Chinese boomtown on the south bank of the Amur, right across from Blagoveshchensk, casts doubt on the “always will be” part of the old czarist slogan.

Like love, a border is real only if both sides believe in it. And on both sides of the Sino-Russian border, that belief is wavering.
Siberia – the Asian part of Russia, east of the Ural Mountains – is immense. It takes up three-quarters of Russia's land mass, the equivalent of the entire U.S. and India put together. It's hard to imagine such a vast area changing hands. But like love, a border is real only if both sides believe in it. And on both sides of the Sino-Russian border, that belief is wavering.

The border, all 2,738 miles of it, is the legacy of the Convention of Peking of 1860 and other unequal pacts between a strong, expanding Russia and a weakened China after the Second Opium War. (Other European powers similarly encroached upon China, but from the south. Hence the former British foothold in Hong Kong, for example.)

The 1.35 billion Chinese people south of the border outnumber Russia's 144 million almost 10 to 1. The discrepancy is even starker for Siberia on its own, home to barely 38 million people, and especially the border area, where only 6 million Russians face over 90 million Chinese. With intermarriage, trade and investment across that border, Siberians have realized that, for better or for worse, Beijing is a lot closer than Moscow.

The vast expanses of Siberia would provide not just room for China's huddled masses, now squeezed into the coastal half of their country by the mountains and deserts of western China. The land is already providing China, “the factory of the world,” with much of its raw materials, especially oil, gas and timber. Increasingly, Chinese-owned factories in Siberia churn out finished goods, as if the region already were a part of the Middle Kingdom's economy.

One day, China might want the globe to match the reality. In fact, Beijing could use Russia's own strategy: hand out passports to sympathizers in contested areas, then move in militarily to "protect its citizens." The Kremlin has tried that in Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia and most recently the Crimea, all formally part of other post-Soviet states, but controlled by Moscow. And if Beijing chose to take Siberia by force, the only way Moscow could stop would be using nuclear weapons.



There is another path: Under Vladimir Putin, Russia is increasingly looking east for its future – building a Eurasian Union even wider than the one inaugurated recently in Astana, the capital of Kazakhstan, a staunch Moscow ally. Perhaps two existing blocs – the Eurasian one encompassing Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization – could unite China, Russia and most of the 'stans. Putin's critics fear that this economic integration would reduce Russia, especially Siberia, to a raw materials exporter beholden to Greater China. And as the Chinese learned from the humiliation of 1860, facts on the ground can become lines on the map.
 
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As China and Russia get closer, expect the "China will take Siberia" articles to flood out even more in the American media. Before, they were mostly limited to obscure neocon magazines like The National Interest and The Diplomat. Now even "mainstream" media like NYT has been directed to run them.
 
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USA is doing genocide on east ukraine via neo-nazi militias and they are telling that China will conquer Russia lol.

All the major invasions of Russia in past 500 years have come from the West. None from China.
 
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Not gonna happen. China can't upset everyone around it, except Pakistan of course.
 
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This typical US desperate propaganda will only drive China and Russia closer because Xi and Putin are too smart to fall into this trap. @vostok

In fact, I wish they continue providing more propaganda news to drive Russia and China apart because it will have the counter effect of getting even more closer.​
 
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I seriously doubt china will be a warring super power. Its rise is economical thus it is taking over through economical means which have completely chained the current super power which is also worried as Russia and China's ties grow stronger and it becomes weaker.

The last two super powers all went nuts the moment they attained the status and started going on wars. China is thinking on economical lines. Yes china will invade Russia but it wont be its land or people. It will be its market. Economy is a powerful tool and is being used to its utmost potential by china.

Besides At this moment when its rise is being imminent it needs friends not enemies. The more friends china has the less he has to worry abt.
 
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As China and Russia get closer, expect the "China will take Siberia" articles to flood out even more in the American media. Before, they were mostly limited to obscure neocon magazines like The National Interest and The Diplomat. Now even "mainstream" media like NYT has been directed to run them.
But we shouldn't forget what Russians did to us in later 19th and early 20th century,I will never trust the Russians,they commited so many crimes to the people of northeast China,we maybe can cooperate with them,but can't become allies.The Russians don't trust us either
 
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Its obvious.Look at what USA is doing in Ukraine. USA-NATO has designs to conquer Russia.
To be honest, this divide and conquer is getting old. Nobody lives in the colonial era anymore. The cold war mindset of the USA is not going to work in modern history of the 21st century. They need to stop this bullshit and be prepare to live in a multipolar world.
 
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But we shouldn't forget what Russians did to us in later 19th and early 20th century,I will never trust the Russians,they commited so many crimes to the people of northeast China,we maybe can cooperate with them,but can't become allies.The Russians don't trust us either

See they were the foolish tsars who got in bed with the west.The same west later sent them the bolsheviks who killed the tsars.

To be honest, this divide and conquer is getting old. Nobody lives in the colonial era anymore. The cold war mindset of the USA is not going to work in modern history of the 21st century. They need to stop this bullshit and be prepare to live in a multipolar world.

I doubt west will stop.Its very powerful militariliy and economically.
 
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See they were the foolish tsars who got in bed with the west.The same west later sent them the bolsheviks who killed the tsars.
We don't want to change the border,however we should remember the history,the Russian cossacks are cruel and ruthless toward the people of northeast China,they even eat the human meat of Daurs,that's why they were called as 罗刹Rākşasa by the locals
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I doubt west will stop.Its very powerful militariliy and economically.
Nobody stays on top forever just as there is a saying, "there will always be a mountain higher than you stand". The natural order of the world will always be in constant motion, up and down, in cycle. So I hope we can catch the West decline at the right time and convince them that multipolar world is inevitable or there will be some colossal clash that make WWI and WWII look like child play.
 
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We don't want to change the border,however we should remember the history,the Russian cossacks are cruel and ruthless toward the people of northeast China,they even eat the human meat of Daurs,that's why they were called as 罗刹Rākşasa by the locals
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Cossacks were descendants of Circassians,Poles,Ruthenians,Chechens who migrated to Today's East Ukraine and Kuban region and converted to christianity.Many Cossacks behaved a lot like the Caucusian mountaineers of Chechnya and Circassia . You will these kind of madness still exist in chechnya and were done by chechens in 90's.Maybe you could google Zindan in chechnya or Dudayev zindan .
 
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It is not just the USA who say China would like to take Siberia, it is the Russian who are MOST vocal about this.

PDF PRC need to see things in a balance way.

Looking at demographics, PRC taking over Outer Manchurian could just happen if the trend continue. The Russian elites are so selfish that right now Eastern Siberia are left to rot, while the Oligarch enrich themselves massively. Russian girls like to have sex and 25% ever got sex diseases. All these cause Russian population to drop.

Next door in inner Manchurian there is so many people. It would be likely that Outer Manchuria get flooded by Chinese.
 
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