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[ultron]

In every country other than the US burning flag is a criminal act. In every country other than the US voting requires ID. Why should the US be the exception? There is no justification.

 

[T-72]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-burning-but-clinton-wanted-same-in-2005.html

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

It won't happen. But I applaud former President Carter's commitment to the issue.

I agree...but where was Carter 8 years ago when Obama first took office..he should have been pushing hard for it then.
I never had a problem with Carter. However he didn't push it previously because he didn't want the political fallout. Pushing it now (after Hillary lost) so Trump has to deal with it seems rather low.

 

[maximuswarrior]

I agree with Donald Trump on this. In-fact, this should be the policy in every country.

You do not like a country, do not live there. Simple.

Burning a flag doesn't always mean that you don't like the country that you are living in. It can be a symbol of protest against the state etc. During the Vietnam war Americans who opposed the war burnt the flag. They did it in protest. You can agree or disagree with it. I'm not a fan of flag burning either, but you cannot punish people for such an act. The US proclaims to be the beacon of freedom of speech. This act would amount to exactly the opposite.

 

[ultron]

Flag burning is not free speech. It is a hateful act of crime against hundreds of millions of Americans. The flag represents hundreds of millions of Americans citizens.

 

[anon45]

Flag burning is not free speech. It is a hateful act of crime against hundreds of millions of Americans. The flag represents hundreds of millions of Americans citizens.

The courts defined it as free speech, it is free speech, deal with it. If Trump actually got that passed as law i'd participate organized flag burning myself in protest.

We have a duty to protect not only speech we find distasteful, but speech we find outrageous.

 

[Zibago]

Wrong again. It's not a criminal act in every nation. Up until 2008, burning another nation's flag as punishable by a fine in Norway under General Civil Penal Code §95.

That law was repealed in 2008 and burning flags, even national ones is now a legal and protected form of speech.



That is true. If an amendment is brought to edit or amend the ruling by SCOTUS, then yes, flag burning can be made illegal. But Trump can't unilaterally do this and Congress doesn't have the power to start the discussion or pass the law either. In this case, even debating constitution reforms of amendments, it's the job of the United States Supreme Court, who having already ruled once in favor of flag burning as protected speech, isn't likely to take up the case again.

What if he is able to get 2/3rd majority for an ammendment?

 

[Zibago]

Flag burning in US further incited by Trump's tweet
November 30, 2016, 10:04 am


A small group of hard-left activists burned foot-long U.S. flags outside the Trump International Hotel in New York on Tuesday, in an angry response to a tweet by President-elect Donald Trump that flag-burners should face legal consequences.

Social media was itself ablaze on Tuesday in response to Trump's tweet, which suggested that burning the U.S. flag should be punishable by a year in jail or a revocation of citizenship.

Trump's provocative tweets on flag-burning and other topics, including efforts to recount the Nov. 8 presidential vote, came as the Republican worked to fill his Cabinet in advance of his inauguration in January.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1989 that flag-burning was not a crime but rather a form of protest protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution. The high court has also ruled more than once that citizenship cannot be revoked.

U.S. media outlets, including the New York Times, published articles detailing the court rulings, and some Republicans as well as Democrats took to social media to say Trump was in effect threatening to punish dissent despite constitutional protections.

Trump supporters also took to social media, pointing out that many politicians, including Trump's Democratic presidential rival, Hillary Clinton, had proposed making flag-burning illegal.

Clinton, while a U.S. senator, co-sponsored a 2005 bill that would have made it a crime to incite violence by burning a flag, threaten another person with a burning flag or destroy or damage a flag belonging to someone else. The measure failed.

Tuesday's protest in New York involved seven members of the Revolutionary Communist Party, a group that is not affiliated with the Communist Party of the United States, and whose members participated in flag-burning at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland in July.

http://nation.com.pk/international/30-Nov-2016/flag-burning-in-us-further-incited-by-trump-s-tweet

 

[ultron]

We have a duty to protect not only speech we find distasteful, but speech we find outrageous.

Free speech has limits. It is okay when directed against particular politicians in a peaceful protest. Hate speech is not okay. Flag burning which insults hundreds of millions of Americans is not okay.

 

[Syed Taha Wajahat]

the patriotism defeated by favoritism. Most selfish nation on this planet.

 

[Zibago]

If you challenge a person's freedom of speech, they'll challenge you right back.

A demonstrator drags a burning American flag through the streets during a march against Donald Trump in Oakland, California, on 10 November 2016. Photograph: Peter Dasilva/EPA

Granted Oakland has always been a hotbed, so perhaps it's not that uncommon or unthinkable to see the scene above played out. But it didn't happen in a vacuum and it is a protected right. If the fire spreads they can be liable as arsonists though.

Well his tweet was bound to provoke reaction all he can do is either ignore or go for a 2-3rd ammendment and make it a crime

 

[Desertfalcon]

The US Supreme Court may have said it's a right of free speech, (And I for one, disagree vehemently with that decision!), but some spoiled, two-bit, hippie wannabe, burns the flag my family and I have defended for almost two and a half centuries, and he will have to try and burn the next one with a broken arm. When they burn our sacred banner, they piss on the graves of all those who died for it.

A young boy receives the flag from his Marine father's casket​

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[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Why hasn't US implemented regulations like EU to make the flag with non-flammable material, will solve flag burning problem

 

[T-72]

It's essentially a real estate squabble, and there has never been a POTUS as qualified as him to have a crack at it, not since Israel's inception.

The man wants peace, not more war, or he wouldn't have savaged his own party and the Bush dynasty the way he did, and went further than even any democrat on attacking them on Iraq. Fought and won against crooked Hillary from her left as far as foreign interventions are concerned.

Trump is also a bit of a big ego lol, he wants the big middle east peace accord as a medal, that will be his ultimate victory against those who call him Hitler etc

you watch

 

[T-72]

Free speech has limits. It is okay when directed against particular politicians in a peaceful protest. Hate speech is not okay. Flag burning which insults hundreds of millions of Americans is not okay.

would Sun Tzu be proud of you, superboy ?