American paranoia against Pakistani low yield nuclear capability

[maximuswarrior]

Lol. So instead of putting light on India's provocative Cold Start doctrine. They would rather show Pakistan in a bad light instead of discussing why Pakistan had to develop such stuff. NASR was the need of the hour. It put Cold Water in Cold Start as Gen Bajwa once said. Who remembers areas of Karachi being dimmed in recent 2019 stunt India pulled. They were the ones groping for their missiles not us. We just made the threat that prevented the idiots from changing the world. It just took two jets and few mock bombings for India to contemplate a missile fest. That's pretty shallow for me. Oh wait susrilies must have lended them some balls.

Indian daddy America is also butthurt after PAF humiliated IAF in broad daylight LOL The Americans are writing articles on JF-17 LOL

The 27th will serve as a psychological battering day for USA and India.

 

[maximuswarrior]

The only people concerned with Pakistani nuclear weapons should be Pakistanis. As long as there no leaks, proliferation etc ignore everyone.
Pakistan should also when funds permit increase the yield of weapons many fold beyond the several hundred KT it currently has. Should Pakistan launch the enemy will not survive should be the motto.

That is exactly how we should approach this.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Ahh Ehl-i Gafil Ahh!!! Little do you know this isn’t the Dava of the mortal maggots, but of Allah-u Azimushshan!!! By the by, forget about Pak, think about the USA itself!!! Some folks have decided to pull it down from the Super Power status!! And, this is the same force which had been behind the previous falls from graces...

 

[Osiris]

Let's c agni 3 work first

Forget Agni 3, that's an overkill for your country. You should be concerned about this missile.

India conducts first night trial of Agni-II missile
India on Saturday successfully conducted the first night trial of nuclear-capable intermediate range ballistic missile Agni-II from the Abdul Kalam Island off the Odisha coast.
Bhubaneswar
November 16, 2019
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...t-trial-of-agni-ii-missile-1619704-2019-11-16



but more importantly this one...

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...kely-in-mid-december/articleshow/72305389.cms

 

[waz]

In imminent future , majority of Indian nuclear weapons will be on subs. India has 1 SSBN (can carry 12 nuclear tipped missiles) deployed , 3 bigger SSBN in various stages of construction with follow up plan for construction of 5 even bigger SSBNs.

Any nuclear attack on India will be responded by massive nuclear retaliation by city busters these subs carry.

Rest assured after Pakistan fires that first nuke, that would the end of Pakistan as a country.

Pakistan is also working on a powerful sea deterrent, and no I don't just mean the AIP submarines from China.
If Pakistan goes nuclear it will be all out resulting in massive damage to India, India will hit back and may end the state of Pakistan. But Pakistan will continue to hit back as there is no way any nation can completely negate another's nuclear weapons and launch platforms.
Pakistani strategic forces will continue to blast the Indian landmass until nothing is left, thus India will cease to exist.

Forget Agni 3, that's an overkill for your country. You should be concerned about this missile.

India conducts first night trial of Agni-II missile
India on Saturday successfully conducted the first night trial of nuclear-capable intermediate range ballistic missile Agni-II from the Abdul Kalam Island off the Odisha coast.
Bhubaneswar
November 16, 2019
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...t-trial-of-agni-ii-missile-1619704-2019-11-16



but more importantly this one...

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...kely-in-mid-december/articleshow/72305389.cms

Yes we're concerned but you should be terrified of this;

https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/ababeel/

Multiple Indian cities hit at once and taken out.

 

[pakpride00090]

Lol. So instead of putting light on India's provocative Cold Start doctrine. They would rather show Pakistan in a bad light instead of discussing why Pakistan had to develop such stuff. NASR was the need of the hour. It put Cold Water in Cold Start as Gen Bajwa once said. Who remembers areas of Karachi being dimmed in recent 2019 stunt India pulled. They were the ones groping for their missiles not us. We just made the threat that prevented the idiots from changing the world. It just took two jets and few mock bombings for India to contemplate a missile fest. That's pretty shallow for me. Oh wait susrilies must have lended them some balls.

If you read the article... Most if not all the sources referenced are either Indian or written by Anti-Pak white people. OP has discussed the matter using Indian sources. It is understandable why he is putting the onus on Pakistan.

West is no friend of Pakistan.

 

[Osiris]

Pakistan is also working on a powerful sea deterrent, and no I don't just mean the AIP submarines from China.
If Pakistan goes nuclear it will be all out resulting in massive damage to India, India will hit back and may end the state of Pakistan. But Pakistan will continue to hit back as there is no way any nation can completely negate another's nuclear weapons and launch platforms.
Pakistani strategic forces will continue to blast the Indian landmass until nothing is left, thus India will cease to exist.



Yes we're concerned but you should be terrified of this;

https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/ababeel/

Multiple Indian cities hit at once and taken out.

India will be terrified of Ababeel, if Pakistan able to make its MIRV work. Ababeel was tested once almost 3yrs back , with questionable success and there after there is nothing on it, why ?

Firstly MIRV does not work well on SRBMs or IRBMs as missile does not travel enough distance for a proper warhead dispersion. There is a reason all the MIRV missiles in the world are ICBMs. An ICBM travelling over 8000 Kms covers enough distance and has enough time to disperse its warheads 100s of Kms apart i.e different cities. There is not much separation once can expect from missile which only travels 2000 kms.

 

[Ultima Thule]

India will be terrified of Ababeel, if Pakistan able to make its MIRV work. Ababeel was tested once almost 3yrs back , with questionable success and there after there is nothing on it, why ?

Firstly MIRV does not work well on SRBMs or IRBMs as missile does not travel enough distance for a proper warhead dispersion. There is a reason all the MIRV missiles in the world are ICBMs. An ICBM travelling over 8000 Kms covers enough distance and has enough time to disperse its warheads 100s of Kms apart i.e different cities. There is not much separation once can expect from missile which only travels 2000 kms.

Soviets tested IRBM in late 70s with three MIRV for your information to hit western EU

 

[KhanBaba2]

Fool. Thorium is used as fuel to create the bomb.
.

Link please

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Definitely, we are concerned about any development that India is making against us.
We believe never underestimate Enemy. That's why we are always struggling to counter challenges coming to us. Inshaa Allah we will continue our practice of neutralized all nefarious plans against our nation.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

They have been and always will be after our nuclear capability.
If they could do something, they would have done it.

They will keep trying.

 

[IceCold]

Rest assured after Pakistan fires that first nuke, that would the end of Pakistan as a country.

A dream every Indian will take to his/her grave. Why do you assume that after firing first nuke Pakistan would just wait for a massive Indian retaliation? Dont you think that if a low yield tactical weapon is used against Indian armored columns that would mean that Pakistan's conventional capability is lost or degraded to an extent that it was no longer possible to thwart Indian aggression other than using non conventional methods and that would also mean that all strategic assets of Pakistan will be in heightened state to be launched on India resulting in MAD if India decides to not back down and use a full fledged nuclear strike against Pakistan in response to a tactical weapon used by Pakistan within its own territory? So even if India does decide to attack Pakistan will full strategic nuclear weapons it wont be done without Pakistan doing the same to India. So if that would mean the end of Pakistan as a country, that would also mean an end of India as a country.

 

[Osiris]

A dream every Indian will take to his/her grave. Why do you assume that after firing first nuke Pakistan would just wait for a massive Indian retaliation? Dont you think that if a low yield tactical weapon is used against Indian armored columns that would mean that Pakistan's conventional capability is lost or degraded to an extent that it was no longer possible to thwart Indian aggression other than using non conventional methods and that would also mean that all strategic assets of Pakistan will be in heightened state to be launched on India resulting in MAD if India decides to not back down and use a full fledged nuclear strike against Pakistan in response to a tactical weapon used by Pakistan within its own territory? So even if India does decide to attack Pakistan will full strategic nuclear weapons it wont be done without Pakistan doing the same to India. So if that would mean the end of Pakistan as a country, that would also mean an end of India as a country.

If you know, India's declared doctrine, then there is no backing down ..after that first nuke is fired.
There will be a massive retaliation, no matter size of the nuclear weapon, you have used.
Now it could be decapitating strike on your nuclear sites or it could be strategic strike on your population centers.

So in a way ..tactical nuclear weapons serve no purpose for you ..because resorting to nuclear weapons will result in destruction of Pakistan..no matter what weapon you have used.
So it does not make sense to use TNWs early in the war to stop an armored thrust..before all other avenues have expired.You might as well use strategic nuclear weapons on Indian cities, because end result for Pakistan would be the same.

And that is exactly what we are counting on, when we came up with our cold start and the new nuclear doctrines.

 

[IceCold]

If you know, India's declared doctrine, then there is no backing down ..after that first nuke is fired.
There will be a massive retaliation, no matter size of the nuclear weapon, you have used.
Now it could be decapitating strike on your nuclear sites or it could be strategic strike on your population centers

I will stop you right here and ask you to go read my post again. By the time Pakistan uses its tactical weapons, it is because our conventional capabilities were lost or degraded and that would mean our strategic assets will be ready to be launched at India should India decides to continue. We will not be waiting for India to hit us with a nuclear strike.

 

[Osiris]

I will stop you right here and ask you to go read my post again. By the time Pakistan uses its tactical weapons, it is because our conventional capabilities were lost or degraded and that would mean our strategic assets will be ready to be launched at India should India decides to continue. We will not be waiting for India to hit us with a nuclear strike.

So tell me , what is the use of your TNWs? If you use TNWs or City busters, the end result would be the same, given India's nuclear doctrine.
Once India decides to launch, you would not know that India is going to launch, since India will most likely launch from Sea, with flight time of less than 5 even ..Indian missile wont even picked up on your radars before Indian missiles hit their targets.