American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

[Developereo]

and we should pursue a legal case against NATO.

I doubt it will do much good; a lot can be excused in the fog of war.

i thought same, only difference i replaced afgans with Talibans.
Who will be most benefiting from closing of NATO supplies ?

NATO doesn't take recommendations from Taliban, but they have a history of taking Afghan 'intelligence' at face value and killing the wrong people (including scores of Afghan civilians).

Like I wrote, the blame game is between NATO and Afghan forces. As far as Pakistan is concerned, we are not interested in their excuses.

The attack went on for an hour. They did not stop even when told by pakistanis.
The pakistani soldiers responded to the attack. - Athar Abbas
General Athar Abbas, Pakistan military Spokesman - FRANCE 24

Did NATO acknowledge receiving Pakistani communications? If not, they can always claim they never heard from Pakistan and it was all a case of mistaken identity.

 

[Oldman1]

Afghans say commando unit was attacked before airstrike was called on Pakistan - The Washington Post

Both sides said they believed they were attacking insurgents along the border. A senior Pakistani defense official acknowledged that Pakistani troops fired first, sending a flare, followed by mortar and machine-gun fire, toward what he said was “suspicious activity” in the brush-covered area below their high-altitude outpost barely 500 yards from the border.

If you think about it, both sides in an incident when Pakistan troops were killed by NATO forces is by responding to an attack. Not the other way around. Remember the two Pakistani soldiers were killed cause they fired warning shots which can be mistaken for firing on the aircraft. Nobody is suppose to fire warning shots at aircraft. Its too stupid. And then they fire on ISAF personnel that were nearby, its understandable that they believe they were firing possible insurgents but they need to make sure.

 

[Oldman1]

I wouldn't worry too much since its the same country that blockaded Berlin.

 

[livingdead]

I doubt it will do much good; a lot can be excused in the fog of war.



NATO doesn't take recommendations from Taliban, but they have a history of taking Afghan 'intelligence' at face value and killing the wrong people (including scores of Afghan civilians).

Like I wrote, the blame game is between NATO and Afghan forces. As far as Pakistan is concerned, we are not interested in their excuses.



Did NATO acknowledge receiving Pakistani communications? If not, they can always claim they never heard from Pakistan and it was all a case of mistaken identity.

I think that will be part of Investigation. The initial story that Nato came and killed sleeping soldier without provocation is changing to firing on each other for 1 hour now, which is pointing towards mistaken identity or hostile action from both sides.

 

[SMC]

Afghans say commando unit was attacked before airstrike was called on Pakistan - The Washington Post

Both sides said they believed they were attacking insurgents along the border. A senior Pakistani defense official acknowledged that Pakistani troops fired first, sending a flare, followed by mortar and machine-gun fire, toward what he said was “suspicious activity” in the brush-covered area below their high-altitude outpost barely 500 yards from the border.

If you think about it, both sides in an incident when Pakistan troops were killed by NATO forces is by responding to an attack. Not the other way around. Remember the two Pakistani soldiers were killed cause they fired warning shots which can be mistaken for firing on the aircraft. Nobody is suppose to fire warning shots at aircraft. Its too stupid. And then they fire on ISAF personnel that were nearby, its understandable that they believe they were firing possible insurgents but they need to make sure.

yes, 2.5 km is certainly nearby. In fact, now you can fire guns at 2.5km.

Quite lying, will ya? Only ones believing your lies are the bharatis and the 'iraq-had-wmds' brigade.

 

[Al Bhatti]

To use it against Iran if they need to......ummm....This is very sad on Pakistan's part if it happens......

No GCC country wants any harm to happen to Pakistan. The base is just a backup for something that will be utilized if the need arises. UAE will not initiate any attack on any country.

 

[Bhairava]

yes, 2.5 km is certainly nearby. In fact, now you can fire guns at 2.5km.

Quite lying, will ya? Only ones believing your lies are the bharatis and the 'iraq-had-wmds' brigade.

Did you not know ?

Athar Abbas has made it abundantly clear that the border posts were 300 m from the Afghan border and not 2.5 km as claimed previously.

Abbas said the two military posts, named "Volcano" and "Golden," were located on a ridge in Mohmand region around 300 yards (meters) from the border with Afghanistan. He said their exact location had been provided to NATO and that the area had recently been cleared of militants

 

[Oldman1]

I think that will be part of Investigation. The initial story that Nato came and killed sleeping soldier without provocation is changing to firing on each other for 1 hour now, which is pointing towards mistaken identity or hostile action from both sides.

Exactly, what is the benefit of destroy two little outposts just to get the Pakistani govt. angry and make an enemy out of them.

 

[maverick1977]

Afghans say commando unit was attacked before airstrike was called on Pakistan - The Washington Post

Both sides said they believed they were attacking insurgents along the border. A senior Pakistani defense official acknowledged that Pakistani troops fired first, sending a flare, followed by mortar and machine-gun fire, toward what he said was “suspicious activity” in the brush-covered area below their high-altitude outpost barely 500 yards from the border.

If you think about it, both sides in an incident when Pakistan troops were killed by NATO forces is by responding to an attack. Not the other way around. Remember the two Pakistani soldiers were killed cause they fired warning shots which can be mistaken for firing on the aircraft. Nobody is suppose to fire warning shots at aircraft. Its too stupid. And then they fire on ISAF personnel that were nearby, its understandable that they believe they were firing possible insurgents but they need to make sure.

How would you explain, that for 2 hours the fire fight was going on.. that too one sided, as most of the personnel died in the sleeping bunks??? care to explain that one? and how will you explain that despite repeated request from PA battalion commander to stop attacking posts it was still attacked? and then another dispatch was send to the post and that was attacked as well.. there are lot of questionable circumstance which points out that it was deliberate targeting of Pakistani army posts.

now the question is why it was done, couple of possibilities in my mind, may be someone else can think more and share more of thier opinion, i think

1) to see pakistans reaction and to figure out who are Pakistani allies willing to condemn this attack. get a sense of international community reaction, specifically from China,

2) may be to sneak past some US/Afghan based insurgents/terrorists to create chaos in Pakistan

3) to figure out how well prepared pakistani army response will be.

4) to drag pakistan into an aggressive reponse so that Pakistan will be kicked out of Bonn conference, so as to eliminate any possible role of Pakistan in future of Afghanistan, hence, giving all the major tasks to india for the future of Afghanistan??

Any comments or any more idea on why this was done, if it was deliberate?

 

[Al Bhatti]

 

[Lankan Ranger]

See this - http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...fghanistan-switching-afghan-army-control.html

 

[VelocuR]

Huma Imtiaz, The Express Tribune‘s correspondent based in Washington DC discusses the impact this attack has had in DC. She says although this has been one of the worst years for Pakistan-US relations, this incident makes matters much worse.

 

[Nirvana]

Are the NATO Supply Routes Permanently Blocked ?

 

[VelocuR]

China and Russia became now more closer to Pakistan after RD/OBL cases...

Pakistani FM briefs China, Russia on NATO attacks, gov't decisions

ISLAMABAD, Nov. 28 (Xinhua) -- Pakistani Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar on Monday briefed her Chinese and Russian counterparts on NATO attacks and the decisions taken by the Pakistani government following the strikes which reportedly killed 24 Pakistani troops and injured 13 others, according to APP, a government-run news agency in Pakistan.

Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar spoke to the Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi on Monday to brief him on the NATO/ISAF attacks and the decisions taken by the Defense Committee of the Cabinet (DCC) on Saturday.

The Foreign Minister had a 40-minute conversation in which she informed her Chinese counterpart of the extreme outrage in Pakistan, according to a press release issued by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi expressed deep shock and strong concern over the incident and extended condolences to the aggrieved families. He said that Pakistan's independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity must be respected. He also called for a thorough and serious investigation into the matter.

On Monday evening, the Pakistani Foreign Minister also briefed her Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov on the unprovoked NATO/ISAF attack on Pakistani territory and the decisions taken by DCC.

She underscored that besides being a gross violation of established international norms, such attacks pose a threat to regional peace and stability as well.

Lavrov expressed sympathy for the loss of lives and injuries as well as complete understanding of Pakistan's position, according to a press release issued by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

He underscored that Pakistan and Russia were partners in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and also partners in promoting regional cooperation. He stressed the need of NATO thoroughly investigating the incident.

On early Saturday morning, NATO fighter jets and gunship helicopters struck two army checkposts in Pakistan's northwest tribal area of Mohmmand Agency bordering Afghanistan, killing 24 Pakistani troops including two senior officers and injuring 13 others. The incident led to decisions by the Pakistani government to close the supply lines for the NATO troops stationed in Afghanistan through Pakistan and vacate a major U.S. Shamsi airbase in the country's southwest province of Balochistan within 15 days.

 

[Lankan Ranger]

Are the NATO Supply Routes Permanently Blocked ?

NATO supply stopped permanently: Malik - PakTribune