AMCA configuration in final stages

[Abingdonboy]

Kaveri was running briefly in an IL with all its engines but one running to prevent it from falling off the sky. It's like a turn on, yep, it runs, and shut it off before it blows up kind of thing. Until it can power a plane by itself, don't call it working.

Mate, this is the standard procedure for testing engines. You wouldn't expect ANY professional flight test certification and testing agency to strap on 4 experimental and untested prototypes and go for a spin, would you? To say this was reckless or fool hardy doesn't even cover it. There has to be layer after layer of safety and procedure where flight testing and certification is concerned- it is a long and arduous task, don't belittle the task nor draw incorrect conclusions and apply these in mis-leading logic.

And the Kaveri wasn't "running briefly on an IL" it was being run for almost a year on an IL-76.


No one said designing and building an engine would be easy, if it was everyone would do it- as they say!


Whehter the Kaveri itself is a failure or not is irrelevant because the amount of information and expertise that has been built up because of the Kaveri project is priceless and will pay dividends in any future Indian engine projects.

 

[WHITESMOKE]

Mate, this is the standard procedure for testing engines. You wouldn't expect ANY professional flight test certification and testing agency to strap on 4 experimental and untested prototypes and go for a spin, would you? To say this was reckless or fool hardy doesn't even cover it. There has to be layer after layer of safety and procedure where flight testing and certification is concerned- it is a long and arduous task, don't belittle the task nor draw incorrect conclusions and apply these in mis-leading logic.

And the Kaveri wasn't "running briefly on an IL" it was being run for almost a year on an IL-76.


No one said designing and building an engine would be easy, if it was everyone would do it- as they say!


Whehter the Kaveri itself is a failure or not is irrelevant because the amount of information and expertise that has been built up because of the Kaveri project is priceless and will pay dividends in any future Indian engine projects.

That's the best thing, the data they have generated. The will not have to test same things again and if there would be any testing, that would be only for something upgraded. In any case engine development has to be done alone as no country will ever share their test data. That's why even in the case of TOT for Russian jets and building them here, we couldn't gain much for engine technology.

 

[Chola warrior]

I hope this will be in time
During Tejas documentary in Discovery channel; AMCA director said that now we have required infrastructure in place to develop a aircraft and we got enough experience from Tejas be it positive or negative. So we just have to concentrate on design and reliability not having to worry about infrastructures and imports.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Since you brought the comprehension problem, your horrible brain dead writing does make it difficult to understand. It's like trying to decrypt gibberish from a deranged person. Yes, please go ahead to be a fool and show me the timing of my posts to prove I am not an American. You don't even know where I am, what work I do, what time I work, what time I sleep, and you are certain the time of posts mean anything. Good luck, Sherlock wannabe.

Kaveri was running briefly in an IL with all its engines but one running to prevent it from falling off the sky. It's like a turn on, yep, it runs, and shut it off before it blows up kind of thing. Until it can power a plane by itself, don't call it working.

Yes , then why china call its WS-10 and WS13 engine working? when their WS-10 engine failed , they came up with WS-10A, and then WS-10B ,

Nor WS-10, WS-10A and WS-13 , WS-13A is flying any plane , yet US , Chinese, PAK consider them a successful engine, and when comes to Kaveri ...Laws of Physics changes. ...

WS-10 and WS13 non is able to fly plane , there they also consider to be non Working , right?

 

[qwerrty]

Yes , then why china call its WS-10 and WS13 engine working? when their WS-10 engine failed , they came up with WS-10A, and then WS-10B ,

Nor WS-10, WS-10A and WS-13 , WS-13A is flying any plane , yet US , Chinese, PAK consider them a successful engine, and when comes to Kaveri ...Laws of Physics changes. ...

WS-10 and WS13 non is able to fly plane , there they also consider to be non Working , right?

only problem with ws-10 is mass production. they still can't figure out how to make the quality of turbine blades with same consistency throughout.. kaveri is failing again and again while piggy bagging a russian il-76 test plane. imagine you put that engine on a fighter jet ..lol

 

[Chola warrior]

Can someone enlighten me?
Why not DRDO collaborate with ISRO to produce a new engine or modify Kaveri to meet requirement?
ISRO is on their way to master Cryogenic engine for GSLV so it wont be big problem for ISRO.

 

[S-DUCT]

Can someone enlighten me?
Why not DRDO collaborate with ISRO to produce a new engine or modify Kaveri to meet requirement?
ISRO is on their way to master Cryogenic engine for GSLV so it wont be big problem for ISRO.

ISRO started developing cryo-engine in mid90s,Mastering cryogenic engine requires technical expertise in cryogenics,pyrotechs,sub zero metallargy.On the other hand,expertise in super-alloy,material science,SCB technology is essential for developing a modern turbofan engines.

China has successfully developed Cryogenic engine a decade before ours,but their engine is powering only prototypes of j-10,j-11.

 

[Anony]

No I am only against the development of an IAF AMCA, because all fighters can be replaced by the types that we already procure, or develop.

The last official source:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3Ypw_Ma1gug/TVeFu_sULnI/AAAAAAAAAHM/zKh2MylRys4/s1600/DSC03688.JPG




You are, but ADA officials just recently stated, that MK2 will have a multi mode radar, but that it's needs to be seen if it will be an puls doppler or AESA radar. So they are not as optimistic!

http://***********************/threads/lca-mark-1-analysis-by-b-harry.1629/

 

[faithfulguy]

ISRO started developing cryo-engine in mid90s,Mastering cryogenic engine requires technical expertise in cryogenics,pyrotechs,sub zero metallargy.On the other hand,expertise in super-alloy,material science,SCB technology is essential for developing a modern turbofan engines.

China has successfully developed Cryogenic engine a decade before ours,but their engine is powering only prototypes of j-10,j-11.

India still do not have a cryogenic engine. Have India consider making Kaveri a cryogenic engine? Since Kaveri is use for trains, ships, Unmanned planes, why not a rocket.

 

[karan21]

India still do not have a cryogenic engine. Have India consider making Kaveri a cryogenic engine? Since Kaveri is use for trains, ships, Unmanned planes, why not a rocket.

Indian cryogenic engine has been tested atleast 7-8 times. You should check it out. And yes it will be put to flight on a rocket this April. Just wait my niggah.

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

Can someone enlighten me?
Why not DRDO collaborate with ISRO to produce a new engine or modify Kaveri to meet requirement?
ISRO is on their way to master Cryogenic engine for GSLV so it wont be big problem for ISRO.

because ISRO has mastery of rocket engine design not jet engine design.

A rocket engine

A jet engine

you can read the difference between the two here Aerospaceweb.org | Ask Us - Jets and Rockets

 

[faithfulguy]

Indian cryogenic engine has been tested atleast 7-8 times. You should check it out. And yes it will be put to flight on a rocket this April. Just wait my niggah.

Who are you calling Niggah. Post reported.

 

[kurup]

 

[sancho]

In short you wana say we don't need a 5th Gen plane in medium class.

What's your opinion on air superiority fight between a heavy fighter and a medium fighter of same capabilities ???

IAF don't need it, because FGFA will offer us anything needed in this regard, with Rafale, Super 30s and LCAs backing it up in A2A. If we need more stealth fighters, simply adding more FGFA is the easiest and best way to go.
IN don't have such a luxury, that's why they need AMCA more than they need N-LCA.

 

[ANPP]

IAF don't need it, because FGFA will offer us anything needed in this regard, with Rafale, Super 30s and LCAs backing it up in A2A. If we need more stealth fighters, simply adding more FGFA is the easiest and best way to go.
IN don't have such a luxury, that's why they need AMCA more than they need N-LCA.

Problem of adding FGFA is that--
--It is much big, so maintenance/operational even manufacturing cost is high.
--Although building the quality is good but sometimes quantity also matters. AMCA can give that quantity factor in lesser money.
--PAKFA will be a air superiority fighter so same FGFA will also. While AMCA will give serious ground attack/counter offensive capability in form of 5 gen fighter.

I can see too many reason for AMCA in IAF.