Ambassador steven was raped before murder

[chitti]

You're talking about sodomy as if its something other than homosexualism (which probably entails something far more). By all accounts today non-Muslim countries seem MORE homosexual than Muslim ones.

In fact if you drill down homosexuality in Muslim countries is usually to do with lack of opportunity in poverty stricken areas... So in these areas, everything goes.

Homosexuality exists in the Muslim world, everyone knows that, but its not more or less (or at least so provable by facts) than in any place else.

i am saying that homosexuality as different from pedersasty but pederasty being a subset of homosexuality. and it was prevelant in these cultures especially turkish.
please see the edits i made to the earlier posts.
i cant see any other reason for sultans having young beautiful boys under their watchful eyes.

yes san francisco maybe the capital to homosexuality and i believe that some humans are born gay and its not a choice and hence its perfectly ok. and the fact is that the islamic world in the past used to be more embrasive of this fact. and its only after mohammed's loosely defined rules of homoseuality and the churches' views on it made it taboo. This has existed all over the world but as a culture in the middle east.

 

[Awesome]

Support of the tenets that allow the movie to be published does not necessarily mean support of the movie itself.

I am not going to bother to watch it, but by all accounts it is trash.

Some of the comments on here are disgusting, especially sino-challenger's, he should know shame and edit out his despicable flippant comment on the rape and murder of a diplomatic emmissary.

Support to tolerance and respect is also important.

If you want to pick up free speech causes, pick up the right to speak up against heads of states, against extremist doctrine, against national policies. Have you perfected these absolutely necessary for free living causes yet? Even in a country like the US, draconians laws like the Patriot Act exists. If you haven't kicked these major life and death issues and objections to Free Speech why do you feel compelled to support a criminal on drug charges and one who deceived people.

The problem is cultural. I know. In our cultures, support has to be felt - which it is not if you constantly speak up more on the free speech angle than you speak up in the condemnation.

Even I support free speech, and I don't condone the violence, nor any legal action against them. But there is no doubt in my criticism to Nakoula Basseley Nakoula (alias: Sam Bacille) than what would probably appear from your condemnation.

Youtube is a business. If it wants our business it should remove it. This is my right to demand it as a consumer or else I will move on to another service.

I can also demand my country take overt actions against Google.

Ban out Android and you have killed billions in sales. Kill out the Search engine and you cut a few more Billions.

 

[chitti]

Support to tolerance and respect is also important.

If you want to pick up free speech causes, pick up the right to speak up against heads of states, against extremist doctrine, against national policies. Have you perfected these absolutely necessary for free living causes yet? Even in a country like the US, draconians laws like the Patriot Act exists. If you haven't kicked these major life and death issues and objections to Free Speech why do you feel compelled to support a criminal on drug charges and one who deceived people.

The problem is cultural. I know. In our cultures, support has to be felt - which it is not if you constantly speak up more on the free speech angle than you speak up in the condemnation.

Even I support free speech, and I don't condone the violence, nor any legal action against them. But there is no doubt in my criticism to Nakoula Basseley Nakoula (alias: Sam Bacille) than what would probably appear from your condemnation.

Youtube is a business. If it wants our business it should remove it. This is my right to demand it as a consumer or else I will move on to another service.

I can also demand my country take overt actions against Google.

Ban out Android and you have killed billions in sales. Kill out the Search engine and you cut a few more Billions.

but unfortunately Google was used by your very people for plotting out the route of attack in mumbai.
this wil never even if you want because your world needs google more than other way round.
Second, the best you can do is to ignore it. If everyone ignored it then there would be no issues.

You periodically see hindu gods' pictures on underwear, toilet seats etc. There is some protests and shoutings at this and then some head of something like Oregon HIndu samaj will issue a statement that this has hurt the feelings of hindus worldwide and thats it. there is no widespread agitation . But the religion is not weakened or feel threatened by this.
i guess muslims should grow a skin and learn to ignore.

 

[Awesome]

i am saying that homosexuality as different from pedersasty but pederasty being a subset of homosexuality. and it was prevelant in these cultures especially turkish.
please see the edits i made to the earlier posts.
i cant see any other reason for sultans having young beautiful boys under their watchful eyes.

yes san francisco maybe the capital to homosexuality and i believe that some humans are born gay and its not a choice and hence its perfectly ok. and the fact is that the islamic world in the past used to be more embrasive of this fact. and its only after mohammed's loosely defined rules of homoseuality and the churches' views on it made it taboo. This has existed all over the world but as a culture in the middle east.

Let's be honest. That's pedophillic rape and of course rape is also not 'popular' in Muslim countries. Averages are lower than in Western countries and even if you think thats something under-reported, then its probably the same as western countries at most.

If Stevens was raped. It does not mean that, that was the Modus Operandi of the Muslim. He was killed by savages and there are multitudes of reasons to show why savagery exists in that particular regions - many of which are US created themselves. This particular region was the darling of the United States itself. The killing or alleged raping had nothing to do with regional practices or especially Islam.

From the pictures - it only shows Libyans trying to help him out. His body looks quite beat up but I think those were rescuers rather than the killers. He might have just died in the fire.

 

[chitti]

Let's be honest. That's pedophillic rape and of course rape is also not 'popular' in Muslim countries. Averages are lower than in Western countries and even if you think thats something under-reported, then its probably the same as western countries at most.

If Stevens was raped. It does not mean that, that was the Modus Operandi of the Muslim. He was killed by savages and there are multitudes of reasons to show why savagery exists in that particular regions - many of which are US created themselves. This particular region was the darling of the United States itself. The killing or alleged raping had nothing to do with regional practices or especially Islam.

From the pictures - it only shows Libyans trying to help him out. His body looks quite beat up but I think those were rescuers rather than the killers. He might have just died in the fire.

Thanks, maybe it was just a fake news

 

[Awesome]

but unfortunately Google was used by your very people for plotting out the route of attack in mumbai.
this wil never even if you want because your world needs google more than other way round.

A fact that has nothing to do with this topic.

A hammer has been used to kill people as well. Does not make a case for or against the hammer. Attackers will obviously use all means at their disposal to attack their target. They used a boat too. They wore clothes too. Google is a day to day thing now, so what all day to day things will you blame?

Second, the best you can do is to ignore it. If everyone ignored it then there would be no issues.

Of course, but now its an issue of whether or not Youtube will make money off abuse of the Prophet or not. So it has to show its willing to play ball in some way to retain me as a customer. This argument is strong and valid as a consumer and has nothing to do with religion.

You periodically see hindu gods' pictures on underwear, toilet seats etc. There is some protests and shoutings at this and then some head of something like Oregon HIndu samaj will issue a statement that this has hurt the feelings of hindus worldwide and thats it. there is no widespread agitation . But the religion is not weakened or feel threatened by this.
i guess muslims should grow a skin and learn to ignore.

I have not supported any sort of violence - and I would say the same strongly worded statement should be done. However as a step further I would say we should not part-take in businesses that are making money off abusing you. Its stupid for me to help make Youtube money which it then invests in hosting abusive content against me.

 

[PteX]

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decide yourself

I'm not American and these pictures, while nothing i haven't seen before, infuriate me.

How the Americans are not demanding justice and destruction on these savage beasts is beyond me.
Perhaps if President Obama goes to another visit to Cairo and extends his spit upon hand for peace and appeasement of the Islamists, they might protect American embassies next time.

This is what President Obama's foreign policy has accomplished. I wonder what he might accomplish with another 4 years of this strategic brilliance.

 

[Icecreamcart]

I'm not American and these pictures, while nothing i haven't seen before, infuriate me.

How the Americans are not demanding justice and destruction on these savage beasts is beyond me.
Perhaps if President Obama goes to another visit to Cairo and extends his spit upon hand for peace and appeasement of the Islamists, they might protect American embassies next time.

If you look at the reaction online, you'll think America will turn the Middle East to glass tomorrow. Luckily, governments don't act on emotions but on realpolitik.

This is what President Obama's foreign policy has accomplished. I wonder what he might accomplish with another 4 years of this strategic brilliance.

Obama's other option is to support the dictatorships from start to end, and Egypt, Tunisia, Libya all become like Syria. Not sure Israel would find having 4 or 5 civil wars occurring simultaneously in the region an appealing thing, with all those refugees and "infiltrators".

 

[isro2222]

Very sad title and comments in this thread....

 

[Thorn]

Very sad title and comments in this thread....

cruel world eh...

 

[Juice]

Not only not raped ...the people you see with his body were trying to get him to a hospital.

 

[anon45]

Support to tolerance and respect is also important.

Agreed, tolerance and respect for people's rights to free speech is very very imporant.

If you want to pick up free speech causes, pick up the right to speak up against heads of states, against extremist doctrine, against national policies. Have you perfected these absolutely necessary for free living causes yet? Even in a country like the US, draconians laws like the Patriot Act exists. If you haven't kicked these major life and death issues and objections to Free Speech why do you feel compelled to support a criminal on drug charges and one who deceived people.

I am neither a saint nor a peerless defender of free speech and master wordsmith, there is only so much time I devote to discussing such topics, and I am not a lawyer or grassroots activist who actively works on such issues. The issues you mention are also strawman arguments to the issue at hand, just because there are other areas that can (and have been) taken up by advocates of free speech (whose job it is do act as watchdogs) does not make this any less of an issue. I support the freedom to have such garbage posted because we must allow what is distasteful to some (on the religious, political, and ethnic level) if we are to give free speech any meaning. Just allowing the speech we support and banning the speech we hate weakens the ideal of 'free speech'. Of course there are levels of this, but Germany's ban on holocaust denial can serve as an example of what I mean to some extent. There is justification, but that still doesn't necessarily make it right imo.

Youtube is a business. If it wants our business it should remove it. This is my right to demand it as a consumer or else I will move on to another service.

It is most definitely your right as a private citizen to demand youtube remove it or to boycott, and as a private website they are perfectly able to choose to remove it with no legal repercussions. They are also perfectly able to choose to keep it with no legal repercussions from the government of the United States of America.

I can also demand my country take overt actions against Google.

I am unsure if you are speaking here as a citizen of Pakistan, a citizen of the UAE, or a citizen of the United States (I explained the issue under the assumption of US citizenship, because those are the ones whose rights enshrined I am most familiar with.)

In either of the three In the US at least I am sure as a private citizen you are free to demand your country take overt action against google, and it is probably the same in the other two. In the United States, the government wouldn't legally be able to do this to google because it hosted this video. In the other countries they may legally be able to, because the enshrined ideals of free speech may not necessarily be as pervasive or set in stone there, and/or it may be up to the whims of the ruling government.

Ban out Android and you have killed billions in sales. Kill out the Search engine and you cut a few more Billions.

If your government chooses to do so (as long as it isn't the US government) there is not much to speak of. I assure you Google or Android as a multinational entity wouldn't go bankrupt, anymore than Mcdonalds would.

 

[PteX]

If you look at the reaction online, you'll think America will turn the Middle East to glass tomorrow. Luckily, governments don't act on emotions but on realpolitik.



Obama's other option is to support the dictatorships from start to end, and Egypt, Tunisia, Libya all become like Syria. Not sure Israel would find having 4 or 5 civil wars occurring simultaneously in the region an appealing thing, with all those refugees and "infiltrators".

No, i do not agree. Obama made the same mistake Carter did when he allowed the Islamic revolution in Iran. And the results are the same in Libya and Egypt and will undoubtedly be the same in Syria. If they didn't support the revolution in Egypt, none would have occurred anywhere else.

Dictators are what these people deserve, you do not give freedom to a bunch of bloodthirsty animals and if you do, then this is the result.

 

[sanddy]

 

[PlanetWarrior]

If mob or a murderer was looking to kill somebody that important, his whole effort would be to do his job without wasting seconds.. imagining that American Diplomat was Raped before killing would be presuming that Navy Seals raped Osama bin Ladin before killing him.

I don't believe that the US Navy Seals would have recited from the Q'uran either after capturing Bin Ladin ?