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Am I too radical for Pakistan?

Hey guys,

I have been here for some years now and still don't understand many highly complex structures and dynamics in Pakistan's siyaset and society even though I really try keeping an open mind towards anything political that comes from Pakistani users here. I even read a couple of Pakistani newspaper on a regularly basis.

There is one main issue that bothers me most. Couple weeks ago there was an article regarding the extinction of some regional languages in Pakistan: http://www.dawn.com/news/1306783

Many users here and in the Pakistani part of the internet criticized the government for not preventing this regional languages from disappearance. And I asked myself: Why should the government help preserving this languages?

This lead me to the question why Pakistan's politicians don't implement a Pakistanization policy in every corner of Pakistan. I know many of you guys are super proud to be a Punjabi, Baloche, Kashmiri, Pashtu, Sindhi etc. But, pardon my language, who cares about these regional sub-identities?

I know that many people will argue that Islam is the sole and exclusive social glue of Pakistan that keeps the country and society together. In my opinion, it is not acceptable (and not healthy for Pakistan) that Muslim Punjabis in Pakistan and India have more in common than a Pakistani citizen of Punjabi and Baloch origin in Pakistan.

That's why, in fact, there are three very important markers for national identity:

Language; Culture; Religion

Other markers are clothing, food, physical appearance, values, norms etc. Anyway, the most important points here are:

Language - Urdu

Religion - Islam

Culture - ???

When it comes to culture, I'm not so sure whether there is a "pan-Pakistani" culture. Can someone give me a major characteristic that a citizen from Balochistan, Gilgit Baltistan and Sindh share apart from religion?

Why are people opposing the idea of a "one nation - one language - one religion" concept for Pakistan anyway? This is rather strange because typically religious people in the Islamic world don't care that much about their ethnic identity. Many Sunni Arabs and Kurds assimilated into the Turkish society. Secular Azeris in Iran are often fond of irredentist ideas whereas conservative Azeris tend to have a stronger Iranian identity.

Strangely enough, in case of Pakistan all of this assumptions are wrong. People are generally very religious, Islam plays a very important role in their lifes but yet people are sticking to their regional identities and traditions. But why? Can someone enlighten me, please?

Theoretically, as a Pakistani politician, I would try to systematically enforce Urdu in every part of the country. Only Urdu should be taught at schools, there should be a box "Pakistani" in the section about ethnicity in every census to strengthen a "pan-Pakistani" national identity. The children of Pakistan must learn that Pakistan is older than 70 years. The Indus Valley Civilisation must become a fixed part of school instruction, curricula and programs. The Pakistani civilization is thousands of years old. Educational school trips to archaeological sites would be a fine idea.

Even resettlement programs should be discussed. Punjabis and Sindh people could be resettled from crowded places in their home province to rural areas of Balochistan for the purpose of mixing up the different ethnicities like Turkey did after becoming a nation-state.


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Focusing on religion as the main commonality among the different ethnicities in Pakistan is very dangerous. In fact, it creates a false sense of security. India with the help of Afghanistan is already trying to disturb the peace in Pakistan. Kabul and New Delhi are trying to awake a Pashtu nationalism in Pakistan. And I'm totally against any kind of federalization in Pakistan.

This is another thing that I don't understand. Why are people constantly demanding more and more provinces? You can ask a secular or religious Pakistani - both will explain to you that the current administrational system of Pakistan is not working very well. Why do you want to implement even more not working administrational units in the first place? Why do you want to pay monthly salaries to thousands of new deputies? The majority of the Pakistani diaspora is right now living in Anglo-Saxon states with federal governing systems. This system may work in those countries but it isn't a working and reliable system for Pakistan. It does not fit. Federal systems are only productive in wealthy and homogeneous societies.

Last but not least: I know that only a military-led government can impose all of these ideas. Therefore the democratic electoral system should be suspended for at least 25 years; centralization (of power) is the key issue.

So, am I too radical for Pakistan? Am I missing or ignoring important points? Sorry for my bad English and I apologize in advance if some of you feel insulted or offended by my posting. I'm just trying to understand a little bit more because I care for Pakistan.
Punjabis and Sindh people could be resettled from crowded places in their home province to rural areas of Balochistan for the purpose of mixing up the different ethnicities like Turkey did after becoming a nation-state.

this alone will be disaster of epic proportion. @Oscar !!
 
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Are there any Urdu medium schools in the major provinces

Trend of Urdu Medium is almost fade away in almost all parts of Pakistan now you can have English Medium schools even at at rural areas .... though the standard of education is still a concern for all of institutions irrespective of their medium of education...
 
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In my opinion, it is not acceptable (and not healthy for Pakistan) that Muslim Punjabis in Pakistan and India have more in common than a Pakistani citizen of Punjabi and Baloch origin in Pakistan.

Wrong, A Muslim Punjabi have more in common with Muslim Baloch then Sikh Punjabi or Hindu Punjabi,

Baloch and Sindhis are our neighbor for thousands of years, we understand each other's culture. especially Punjabi and Sindhi can understand each other well when they talk in their regional languages, we have Saraiki language which is mixture of Punjabi and Sindhi and guess what Baloch Tribes who live on Punjab Sindh border speak it :-)

Then we Have Hindko in Hazara, their language is similar to Punjabi but they look Pashtuns.

This is all bcoz of thousand years of cultural exchange between neighbors..

As for separation movements, no one can play better then us since all ethnic groups of Pakistan are in majority, minority Pashtun of Afghanistan cant effect their sentiment, 99% Sindhi live in Pakistan.. along with Majority of Balochs and Punjabis.. the only weak link was bengal, thousands of miles away, which we get rid on time.
 
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It's a tricky situation. The value of Urdu is that it's compulsory, so you can theoretically communicate with anyone in the country. The reality is anything but.

There is historical and cultural value to regional languages. I don't know what the solution is... regional languages dying out would be a big loss. There's got be a good way of preserving regional language and maintaining unity, without necessarily losing Urdu.

Would being taught 3 languages work? English, Urdu, and a regional.
 
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Punjabi language is available for people to study in Punjab. But people of Punjab themselves dont want to learn the written part.
Now even less people are studying Punjabi as it is more or less considered "rude" language.
I personally like Siraki, its an awesome language.
Punjabi rude?
Maybe you did not heard bhulay shah or shah Hussain or sultan bahu.
I am a punjab. love to talk and heard songs in punjab.
How can you say rude the language of alif Allah and heer.
 
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So, my question is to all those scumbags, why would Govt would force me to stick to a particular language if I want learn or use some other language?


calm down . no one is forcing you to speak some other language. it's just a thought shared by a member.
 
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calm down . no one is forcing you to speak some other language. it's just a thought shared by a member.

LOL! I was not addressing the member who posted the article, he also have similar concerns. I was addressing the people who are behind this report.
 
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@DESERT FIGHTER

Is balochi your first language out of interest?

Is it taught in public schools in Balochistan side by side with Urdu, English etc?
Pakistanis on average can know up to 3-4 languages. Some Baradaris/Clan even have their own languages...

In urban areas,bigger cities where the population is diverse .. Urdu and English are the mediums.
In many high schools in Punjab it's mandatory to learn to take a second language class. Depending on the school most regional language courses are offered.
 
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How do you spread a language there already read,written and understood everywhere ? What's the medium ?

Govt replaced English with Urdu in govt institutes, thats how.
They teach Urdu in govt schools, colleges, universities, etc.

Pashtuns and Baloch are like cousins ...

Thats a weird statement to make, but I have no interest talking about it.

I am not saying that Pashtuns are any less Pakistani then Balochs (or wise versa).

I am saying they are different, try messing with a Pashtun sometime and you will know.
There is a reason that there are so many Pashtuns/Pathans in our army :)

Pashtunistan already failed in the 70s.. Today a large percentage of ur military comes from KPK.. Ur quarter of a million man FC is entirely Pashtun ... There are more Baloch and Pashtuns in Sindh,Karachi than Peshawar or Kabul.

As I said above.
 
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Govt replaced English with Urdu in govt institutes, thats how.
They teach Urdu in govt schools, colleges, universities, etc.

Urdu isn't really taught at undergraduate level unless you take it as a subject... Or any regional language as a subject.


Thats a weird statement to make, but I have no interest talking about it.


How is it weird ? We have same origin.. Similiar culture etc ... A Baloch and Pashtun have moron in common than a Panjabi .. Ain't that right ?

I am saying they are different, try messing with a Pashtun sometime and you will know.
There is a reason that there are so many Pashtuns/Pathans in our army :)

My in laws are Pashtun ?
You ever even meet a Baloch?
 
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Urdu isn't really taught at undergraduate level unless you take it as a subject... Or any regional language as a subject.

Which Uni are you from.

How is it weird ? We have same origin.. Similiar culture etc ... A Baloch and Pashtun have moron in common than a Panjabi .. Ain't that right ?

Thats like saying Sindhis and Balochis have more in common than Punjabis, because Sindhis are not like Punjabis.

They are different altogether dude.

moron in common

o_O

My in laws are Pashtun ?
You ever even meet a Baloch?

My relatives are Pathans.
And yes I obviously have met Balochs, I live in Karachi after all :)
 
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Punjabis and Sindh people could be resettled from crowded places in their home province to rural areas of Balochistan for the purpose of mixing up the different ethnicities like Turkey did after becoming a nation-state.

this alone will be disaster of epic proportion. @Oscar !!
Not exactly, if carried out during the early formative years.

Now, it will be
 
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Which Uni are you from.
From none .. I'm a practising lawyer..
Thats like saying Sindhis and Balochis have more in common than Punjabis, because Sindhis are not like Punjabis.

Sindh was ruled by Baloch dynasties ... For centuries if not more.



They are different altogether dude.



o_O
My relatives are Pathans.
And yes I obviously have met Balochs, I live in Karachi after all :)


There is a difference between lyaris sheedis/makranis and Baloch from Balochistan proper.
 
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