Alternative History: What if the KMT won China

[艹艹艹]

If the KMT were able to develop China's economy post WW2 and become an economic powerhouse, it would certainly have both.

naive

 

[vi-va]

One of the greatest tragedies in modern history IMO is the KMT losing the Chinese civil war to the CCP. If the KMT had won, today China would be a democratic, wealthy and civilized nation with a high standard of living, protection for human rights, a well mannered and polite society like that in Japan and Taiwan, the world's largest economy and a long time ally of the United States. China would not be aggressively nationalist but will be secure and established as an industrial superpower and have a cosmopolitan society that would be welcoming to people from all over the world.

Can you read Chinese?
《党员、党权与党争_1924～1949年中国国民党的组织形态》is a must read, then you will truly understand why KMT lost. I bought epub softcopy. I can give it to you or you can buy it here:

amazon.com/dp/7509799848/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_U_x_EkLPEbZXN88MX

If KMT won, it will be the end of Chinese civilization and the hell of China.
Don't be so idealistic. KMT is a scum in his blood.

@OsmanAli98, to really understand Chiang Kai-shek and KMT, you simply can NOT find a better book than the one I mentioned above.

It's very much misleading to judge Chiang Kai-shek if you only read English material. It's all distorted.

To understand KMT in depth, we need to analyse how Chiang Kai-shek gained his power, how he maintained his power, and how he organized his party. It was bad, very bad.

KMT was rotted in the root, Chiang Kai-shek is responsible for large part of it. He is incapable, not just incapable, he is responsible for a lot damage to China and Chinese.

The KMT party is so factioned that no one can control.
The KMT is so weak that it can't do anything significant enough to reverse the decline of Chinese civilization if they are willing to.
The KMT is so corrupted, even US allies congress man despise them and refuse to provide more fund, because those fund goes into KMT elites' pocket anyway.
The KMT is so isolated that, they have little connection with the mass and can NOT organize a decent fight against the Japanese.

In the opposite, CCP is so damn good at organizing the mass, so deeply rooted in the mass, and overwhelmingly welcomed and supported by the mass.

CCP is so damn motherfcuker tough and their fight is epic, say it
Long March
Liaoshen campaign
Huaihai campaign
Pingjin campaign
Korean War

KMT is a drowning dog, despised by their allies and enemies.
CCP is a epic fighter, respected by all their allies and enemies.

If KMT was in charge, we will end up like India. I would rather die to have KMT in charge.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

If the KMT were able to develop China's economy post WW2 and become an economic powerhouse, it would certainly have both.

if if if if if if if if

History has no ifs. Take some fucking responsibility for yourself.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Yes, obviously the PLA were far better at war than the KMT. But in this hypothetical timeline, the KMT is better managed and are able to beat the PLA.

When u r good at trading, then surely u will not good at fighting and farming.

Just like you, u r very good, decent Cnese, but Im sure that u dont know how to raise pig, grow rice like farmers and u also dare not fight to death like poor-angry farmers, too.

Thats why Karl Marx-Lenin suggested that all farmers-workers must stand up, kill all landlords-bosses and their supporter and take back all working tools cos farmers-workers are the one making product-food, they dont need usles landlord-boss to exploit them.

 

[Han Patriot]

That is naive. It would be corrupt and dysfunctional democracies like India and Russia. And still be contained by the US because China will always be a threat to its power even if it a demoracy. Tibet and Xinjiang would be secede. Social instability due to freedom of media, infiltration of US agit prop, and unstable government.

KMT couldn't hold the country together. We would end up as another India. Starvation and inequality everywhere. We will have some individual success like Indians.

 

[powastick]

KMT couldn't hold the country together. We would end up as another India. Starvation and inequality everywhere. We will have some individual success like Indians.

I doubt it would be like India, but i think it would be closer to Russia. Corrupt and controlled by oligarchs.

 

[Viva_Viet]

KMT couldn't hold the country together. We would end up as another India. Starvation and inequality everywhere. We will have some individual success like Indians.

But import toxic GM boybean,corn from US and growing toxic gene edited rice thats destroy immunity system, in CN is also lead to health pademic ( such as Corona pademic )

 

[tower9]

KMT couldn't hold the country together. We would end up as another India. Starvation and inequality everywhere. We will have some individual success like Indians.

I don't think so. China is far more homogeneous than India. Just look at how all of the Confucian societies fared under a stable political system and free market economy, from Japan to S. Korea to Taiwan to Hong Kong to Singapore. That would be more like what China would've experienced if the KMT won.

 

[Han Patriot]

I doubt it would be like India, but i think it would be closer to Russia. Corrupt and controlled by oligarchs.

India is also corrupt and controlled by oligarchs. Lol

 

[tower9]

Can you read Chinese?
《党员、党权与党争_1924～1949年中国国民党的组织形态》is a must read, then you will truly understand why KMT lost. I bought epub softcopy. I can give it to you or you can buy it here:

amazon.com/dp/7509799848/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_U_x_EkLPEbZXN88MX

If KMT won, it will be the end of Chinese civilization and the hell of China.
Don't be so idealistic. KMT is a scum in his blood.

In this alternative timeline, obviously the KMT would've corrected some of its faults to ensure victory over the CCP. Yes, the KMT lost ultimately because of corruption and poor governance. I think ultimately if they did win in the Civil War, these problems would've been fixed in the long run like they did in Taiwan.

 

[Han Patriot]

I don't think so. China is far more homogeneous than India. Just look at how all of the Confucian societies fared under a stable political system and free market economy, from Japan to S. Korea to Taiwan to Hong Kong to Singapore. That would be more like what China would've experienced if the KMT won.

That's assuming they can feed the Chinese and hold it together. I have nothing against KMT BTW. Sun Yat Sen is respected in China until today.

 

[powastick]

India is also corrupt and controlled by oligarchs. Lol

India is another level.

 

[Han Patriot]

India is another level.

Hahha exactly.

 

[kankan326]

If the KMT were able to develop China's economy post WW2 and become an economic powerhouse, it would certainly have both.

If KMT controlled whole China, instead of the Taiwan island, I doubt US would help KMT. European countries, Japan, S.Korea are either small countries or vassals of US. US helping them is reasonable. But it would be a different story for big countries. Especially for those who have strong will to be independent from other's control. India for example.

Even if, as you say, US helped KMT, there is no free lunch. China would lose political and economic independence to US. Just like what happened to Japan and S. Korea. For a backward country, political independence is much much more luxuary than economic independence. KMT would choose economic independence first and political independence second mode. Just like most countries did. But this mode is a suicide for a big country like China. The CCP chose political independence first economic independence second mode. Which is fortunately right path.

 

[Song Hong]

China will be hk x 100,000, ruled by organized crime, warlord and landlord. They use financial engineering to make people look rich but in reality impoverished and miserable