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Altay & Turkish Main Battle Tank Programs

There are some rumours that Azerbaycan ordered 200 ALTAYs but i don't believe it... Even we didn't order ALTAYs yet....

BTW i wanna ask a question... If i'm wrong please correct me...

There will be 3rd & 4th prototypes... These 2 prototypes will be evaluated and we will achieve 5th and final prototype...

Am i right ?..


I don't suppose. Azerbaijan ordered lots of T-90.

Prototypes are as next:
- 1x MTR (Mobility Test Rig) has already passed all tests
- 1x FTR (Firing Test Rig) has already passed all tests
- 1x BH&T (Balistik Hull & Turret) prototype has been build, armor tests will be commenced
- 2x full configuration tank prototypes (PV-1 and PV-2) for acceptance tests before serial production

First three can partially be considered as a prototype. The real protoypes will be final two called PV-1 and PV-2.
 
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I don't suppose. Azerbaijan ordered lots of T-90.

Prototypes are as next:
- 1x MTR (Mobility Test Rig) has already passed all tests
- 1x FTR (Firing Test Rig) has already passed all tests
- 1x BH&T (Balistik Hull & Turret) prototype has been build, armor tests will be commenced
- 2x full configuration tank prototypes (PV-1 and PV-2) for acceptance tests before serial production

First three can partially be considered as a prototype. The real protoypes will be final two called PV-1 and PV-2.


So one of PV-1 and PV-2 will be produced... o_O

And why 2 different final prototypes...
 
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OTOKAR Annual Report (January 1 - June 30 2014)

https://www.otokar.com.tr/db/tr/yatirimci_iliskileri/pdf/OTKAR_FaalRaporu_30062014.pdf

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Local tank production contract litmus test for Koç’s defense business

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A multibillion-dollar government contract to select the maker of Turkey’s first indigenous main battle tank will be a litmus test for the defense arm of the country’s biggest industrial conglomerate, Koç Holding.

Koç’s armored vehicles manufacturer, Otokar, designed, developed and produced four prototypes, under a $500 million contract, of the Altay, the new-generation Turkish tank, but a much bigger contract for its serial production will likely see a three-way competition.

A few months after a political row between Koç and the government, the group’s shipyards lost a nearly $2 billion deal which it had won on an interim basis. That row has already subsided but there is a challenging newcomer in the armor market: Ethem Sancak, one of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s favorite businessmen and a close friend.

It was not a secret that Koç was never Erdoğan’s favorite business group. Its owners are not conservative enough and are often portrayed as the “Istanbul elite,” as opposed to Erdoğan’s preferred conservative businesses from the Anatolian heartland.

The first major public tension between Koç and Erdoğan’s government emerged last summer. In one incident during the month-long Gezi demonstrations in June, protesters tried to escape police tear gas and pepper spray by taking refuge in a posh Istanbul hotel, the Divan, owned by Koç. Hotel management admitted the protesters into its lobby, which quickly turned into a makeshift first aid room.

The police fired more tear gas and pepper spray into the hotel lobby although it is illegal to fire these chemicals into indoor spaces. It was reported that Ali Koç, a board member and third-generation family member, had ordered the hotel to help the protesters.

A few days later, an angry Erdoğan said in a public rally: “We know which hotel owners helped terrorists [protesters]. It is a crime to abet terrorists. And those crimes will not remain unpunished.”

Shortly after that brawl, tax police raided Koç’s refinery subsidiary, Tüpraş. Officials said it was a regular inspection. But in September the government’s executive committee that oversees defense procurement scrapped a $2 billion deal with Koç’s shipyards, RMK Marine, pledging a new competition.

Back in January 2013, RMK had signed the contract to build six vessels under the program dubbed MİLGEM.

Koç’s other defense heavyweight, Otokar, was widely viewed as the “logical” producer of the Altay which it designed and developed. But things may not be so bright for Otokar as defense procurement officials are preparing to officially launch a competition for the serial production of the first indigenous Turkish battle tank.

The race for the serial production will involve an initial batch of 250 tanks to be followed by three follow-on orders each comprising 250 more tanks.

Defense officials say the contract will be put out for tender after the presidential elections.
According to one official, the competition will most likely begin between the formation of the new government and the end of the year.

Otokar is expected to compete with two other local rivals, BMC and FNSS.

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Defense industry sources say that although Otokar is the logical frontrunner in the contract because it was the developer of the Altay, it may face particular challenge from BMC.

Only earlier this year BMC, a previously failed company, emerged as a serious rival in Turkey’s armored vehicles market.

Sancak’s investment fund ES Mali Yatırım ve Danışmanlık A.Ş. on May 1 bid 751 million Turkish Liras (US $359 million) for BMC. The government approved the sale May 8. Sancak was the only bidder for the company.

Sancak, who used to mostly operate in the pharmaceutical and health sectors, has recently switched the focus of his business toward “building up a strong presence in the media and defense sectors.” His media outlets are widely known to be pro-Erdoğan publications.

Earlier in 2014, a fund administered by the government put BMC up for sale. BMC was seized in May 2013 due to financial obligations its parent company, Cukurova Holding, failed to fulfill. The group’s debts amounted to $455 million.

BMC manufactures the Kirpi, a mine-resistant, ambush-protected (MRAP) vehicle. The Kirpi is the country’s first locally designed and developed MRAP.

Sancak said he was in negotiations “with the relevant agency” of the Qatari government for a potential partnership in BMC. The Qatari government is Erdoğan’s staunchest regional ally.
August/05/2014
 
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what do u call the head of the tank ????? i don't like the head altay have it must be more roundly
 
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Altay's armour technology must be different, so this turrent design must designed according to armour technology... shape is not everything....
 
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what do u call the head of the tank ????? i don't like the head altay have it must be more roundly
Turret.

Altay's armour technology must be different, so this turrent design must designed according to armour technology... shape is not everything....

The latest design looks different than the mock up. It looks great imo.
All 3 have different side shapes

3D has 3 side surfaces...

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This has 1 plane side surface...

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Last FTR has 2 side surfaces...

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translation is that P2 will be tested in the summer times. (Around this time)
 
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I don't suppose. Azerbaijan ordered lots of T-90.

Prototypes are as next:
- 1x MTR (Mobility Test Rig) has already passed all tests
- 1x FTR (Firing Test Rig) has already passed all tests
- 1x BH&T (Balistik Hull & Turret) prototype has been build, armor tests will be commenced
- 2x full configuration tank prototypes (PV-1 and PV-2) for acceptance tests before serial production

First three can partially be considered as a prototype. The real protoypes will be final two called PV-1 and PV-2.
Azerbaijan Have bought 100 t-90 tank. It is probably considered to fill the gap until ALtay will be available. Im pretty sure that Azerbaijan will be one of the first customer of ATAK, Altay, Tulpar and Hisar-a and o air defence systems.
Unfortunately, Turkey being way too late to stat the production. Its not the right time to have 5 years test for Altay tank(personal idea)
 
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Azerbaijan Have bought 100 t-90 tank. It is probably considered to fill the gap until ALtay will be available. Im pretty sure that Azerbaijan will be one of the first customer of ATAK, Altay, Tulpar and Hisar-a and o air defence systems.
Unfortunately, Turkey being way too late to stat the production. Its not the right time to have 5 years test for Altay tank(personal idea)
Welcome back, brother :)
 
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Azerbaijan Have bought 100 t-90 tank. It is probably considered to fill the gap until ALtay will be available. Im pretty sure that Azerbaijan will be one of the first customer of ATAK, Altay, Tulpar and Hisar-a and o air defence systems.
Unfortunately, Turkey being way too late to stat the production. Its not the right time to have 5 years test for Altay tank(personal idea)

Azerbaijan bought T-90 to replace T-55 that were retired without replacement long ago
 
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