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[HannibalBarca]

This is one of the major flaws in the thinking of Chinese policymakers. They look at the world under one prism without realizing the separate nature of Muslims and the West. This explains why the Chinese continue to fail to project a soft image in comparison to the American's who are obviously more aggressive in subjugating other states. I have mentioned this many times on this forum to Chinese members and even to my personal friends. HK is a prime example. The Chinese Govt didn't win the narrative. They are making the same mistake in Xinjiang. Like you said in your post their lack of knowledge of Islam is weakening their position. They can easily invite moderate imams to these educational centers and allow them to explain how terrorism is wrong in Islam with verses from the Quran and the Hadith. But if the Chinese Govt refuses this solution then they only have themselves to blame. Muslims will continue to point fingers and there will come a time when the people will force there respective Govt's to take certain actions against China.

Xinjiang doesn't even come close to the problems faced by Pakistan back in 2008-2011. We used force against terrorists but we also educated them on the doctrine of Islam which forbids taking arms against the state when the freedom to practice the five pillars of Islam is there.

It's a problem of Ego... They believe they can do it alone... with no help. They lack Experience in that matter... But they will learn, as their forefathers did... let's hope they take the good decision in Time... and not push it where dialog will be of no use anymore...

 

[Rasengan]

The separatists used the religion from the beginning.
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The separatist never used religion from the beginning. You are a Chinese person and your knowledge is rather lacking on this issue. Who started attacking first? Oh, yeah, it was during the cultural revolution where Muslims such as the Uighurs were targeted for there beliefs along with other religious groups. The people who started the mess was the CPC themselves.

 

[prashantazazel]

How many Islamic countries allow others(or even their citizens) to preach atheism?
Most don't allow people to be vocal atheists.

 

[Rasengan]

It's a problem of Ego... They believe they can do it alone... with no help. They lack Experience in that matter... But they will learn, as their forefathers did... let's hope they take the good decision in Time... and not push it where dialog will be of no use anymore...

This is the problem with most Chinese dynasties. They were so consumed with the Middle Kingdom that they forgot about the rest of the world. This as we all know it led to the 100 years of humiliation for China, a very dark period in their history. They will have to change and in my opinion, this will slowly evolve when the next generation comes into power. You have to remember much of the Chinese leadership comes from the period of the cultural revolution. Their thinking is limited and narrow.

 

[HannibalBarca]

This is the problem with most Chinese dynasties. They were so consumed with the Middle Kingdom that they forgot about the rest of the world. This as we all know it led to the 100 years of humiliation for China, a very dark period in their history. They will have to change and in my opinion, this will slowly evolve when the next generation comes into power. You have to remember much of the Chinese leadership comes from the period of the cultural revolution. Their thinking is limited and narrow.

Well... I don't know how it will turn out at this rate... will the next gen ever have a chance to make it right before it's too late...
They don't seem to grasp the importance of what they are doing... When religion is being used as a rally... Things can spiral out quickly...very quickly... even more when they are creating a pool of a million people to act later on...

They are literally serving to those separatist potential combatant in a silver plate...
Now that the "Jihadist" are being pushed out of ME... those guys gonna find another way to express their behavior/ideology... added to it Afghanistan... and you have it... the next Hotspot...

 

[OIO]

The separatist never used religion from the beginning. You are a Chinese person and your knowledge is rather lacking on this issue. Who started attacking first? Oh, yeah, it was during the cultural revolution where Muslims such as the Uighurs were targeted for there beliefs along with other religious groups. The people who started the mess was the CPC themselves.

During WW 1 Ottoman began to support separatists in Xinjiang, you are not chinese so you are lacking on this issue.

 

[HannibalBarca]

During WW 1 Ottoman began to support separatists in Xinjiang, you are not chinese so you are lacking on this issue.

I don't know which book... but The one supporting the Uighur was Russia and later the Soviet Union...

 

[beijingwalker]

China is alwys growing with foreign slandering, smearing and threatening. We saw the worse in the past, we ignored them and concentrated on developing ourselves. Let them cry us a river, but still not able to court even one Muslim nation in the world to support them over Xinjiang , so the best they can do is to get a Turkish footballer , Lol..

 

[HannibalBarca]

Muslim countries are hypocrites. In all Islam dominant countries, they restrict other people and their belief. Show me a Muslim society where other belief are equally respected. Islam like Christianity did not expand by peace but through dominations and submission of local societies. In Indonesia, they can't even stand a statue of Guan Yu. Muslims love to play victim but they are a huge perpetrator of intolerance. China is a secular state like much of East Asia. If these people like Turkey they should move there

Did you even read yourself...
Are you the type of guy to eat noodles with pasta?

 

[vi-va]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion

Freedom of religion is considered by many people and most of the nations to be a fundamental human right.[2]

No one ask your religion in China. I have Muslim friends, I lived with Muslim workmate under same root in a apartment, I have Muslim classmate in my primary school, college. We just eat separately in different cafeteria.

No one ask, no one bother. There is completely free religion, unless you make other people's life hard.

You are such a liar, and full of propaganda and hatred.

 

[HannibalBarca]

No one ask your religion in China. I have Muslim friends, I lived with Muslim workmate under same root in a apartment, I have Muslim classmate in my primary school, college. We just eat separately in different cafeteria.

No one ask, no one bother. There is completely free religion, unless you make other people's life hard.

You are such a liar, and full of propaganda and hatred.

DId you ever take a moment and ask how they practiced their religion?
Having them next door or with doesn't mean they can "PRACTICE" their religion without restriction...

 

[vi-va]

DId you ever take a moment and ask how they practiced their religion?
Having them next door or with doesn't mean they can "PRACTICE" their religion without restriction...

have you ever take a trip to China or just be a keyboard warrior bashing China all day long? Have you ever talked with many Chinese Muslim and asked what they want? or you just believe they will think the same like you?
There are Muslims who are very religious, there are many Muslim who are not that religious. You can call the later non Muslim or whatever you can label, have you ever talked with them before make a judgement?

I have much more contacts with them than you do, who is just sitting in front a screen, knew very little about China religious history, nor people. Have you ever traveled to many places of China? Did you know what they want the most?

Have you ever considered China international environment? What China needed the most?

Have you condemn your silly government who give Turkey passport to Chinese Uighur in Thailand? Those are terrorist, did you know?

You knew so little, but dare not to make a judgement. How blinded you are?

https://www.ft.com/content/93607210-285c-11e5-8613-e7aedbb7bdb7
Uyghur Muslims Detained in Turkey as They Attempt the Hajj
Bangkok shrine bombing

 

[HannibalBarca]

have you ever take a trip to China or just be a keyboard warrior bashing China all day long? Have you ever talked with many Chinese Muslim and asked what they want? or you just believe they will think the same like you?
There are Muslims who are very religious, there are many Muslim who are not that religious. You can call the later non Muslim or whatever you can label, have you ever talked with them before make a judgement?

I have much more contacts with them than you do, who is just sitting in front a screen, knew very little about China religious history, nor people. Have you ever traveled to many places of China? Did you know what they want the most?

Have you ever considered China international environment? What China needed the most?

Have you condemn your silly government who give Turkey passport to Chinese Uighur in Thailand? Those are terrorist, did you know?

You knew so little, but dare not to make a judgement. How blinded you are?

https://www.ft.com/content/93607210-285c-11e5-8613-e7aedbb7bdb7
Uyghur Muslims Detained in Turkey as They Attempt the Hajj
Bangkok shrine bombing

So you didn't...

 

[vi-va]

So you didn't...

come on. I have friends who are Muslim, how come I didn't? There are hundreds of thousands Muslim in my hometown, or Beijing. Some pray, some not. Some eat halal food only, some drink alcohol. They claim they are Muslim. In Central Asia, such as Kazakhstan, most of them drink alcohol.

There are more than a billion Muslim across the world, with different cultural, back ground, history.

Why they should behave like you do, or you want? That's your so called multiculturalism? or toleration? or freedom?

They pray or not pray, is their choice. Why you think you have a right to judge? Who are you? You are nobody, no one care what you think literally. I am nobody, no one care what I think.

If you truly believe freedom of religion, than you should NOT force other people to behave like or not like Muslim. They are free man.

I told you many times, no one in China care what they believe as long as they do NOT make other people's life hard.

I don't care neither, but I do care if they point finger to me, and ask me to behave. If they ask me to respect them, then they must respect my freedom without any concession.

My freedom is well protected in China, under Chinese law, Chinese Muslim has much more rights and privilege, which I hate, because it is against my principle, Chinese Muslim should be treated equally.

Last but not least, your ally US has killed millions of Muslim, and Isreal is killing Muslim everyday, but Turkey still NATO member, provide Incirlik Air Base, help US killing machine running.

Do you have any shame? just a little bit?

Close Incirlik Air Base, then come back to me.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Then just open re educational camps in every Muslim countries and put all Cnese living,travelling to Muslim world in the camps. Thats fair and square.

Ozil can donate some re education camps for Cnese in Turkey and German and tell the police to put all Cnese in German and Turkey into the camps

All Cnese here love the re education camps, so they wont refuse to stay in re education camp in Muslim wolrd.