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[HannibalBarca]

We did have educational facilities. However, we never took away their ethnic identity or their right to practice their religion. Pakistan also never imprisoned their family members. Instead, we used the principles of Islam to educate them on how wrong their actions were and how they were being used by warlords for their own selfish interests. Winning the hearts and minds of the people is the way forward rather than using brute force on the entire population.

But what concerns most Pakistani's and Muslims, in general, is the CPC policy of restricting Muslims to practice their religion. When you stop Muslims from praying then you are infringing upon their basic rights as a follower of Islam. I don't know what the current true reality of Xinjiang is today. But the Chinese must realize religion is important to Muslims. No Muslim state (sensible) will question China's sovereignty of Xinjiang if it can provide a guarantee that Muslims can practice their religion freely. When I mean freely brother this includes being allowed to pray in a Mosque, reading the Quran and fasting. What this doesn't include is for a Muslim to seek independence when these sacred rights are protected.

It's actually forbidden to seek independence/rebel from an entity if that same entity gives you the freedom to practice your religion freely.
BUT the moment when Islam and it's practice are severely restricted... without any hope to lift the restriction then it's Halal to fight back till it's restored.

The Problem with China... is their thinking that Islam is like any other religion... or any other entity that with enough restriction or what else... is removable... They think it's Christianity/Buddhism/shinto etc.. and believe that Muslims are like those Chinese/Tibetans or Mongols who will just kneel and accept...
Even in their own History... their ancestors understood that after making the same mistake... that's why they were mostly open to let Muslim practice their religion... Heck Thanks to the Hui Muslims that they kept the Uighur ancestor to get deep inside China...
Every other Entity started by making that same mistake with Islam/Muslims... If ppl could open a book and read the Islamic/Muslim Dynamic under Slavinc rule and Byzantium rule... they will be surprised on how Non-Muslim Kings.. used to let Muslim practice freely in hope to maintain their support in Internal peace and Wars (something they didn't do with other religious groups)...

But What can you do... Every new Gen think they know better than the previous one... So let them get burn and maybe they will understand... as their forefathers did...

 

[beijingwalker]

We did have educational facilities. However, we never took away their ethnic identity or their right to practice their religion. Pakistan also never imprisoned their family members. Instead, we used the principles of Islam to educate them on how wrong their actions were and how they were being used by warlords for their own selfish interests. Winning the hearts and minds of the people is the way forward rather than using brute force on the entire population.

But what concerns most Pakistani's and Muslims, in general, is the CPC policy of restricting Muslims to practice their religion. When you stop Muslims from praying then you are infringing upon their basic rights as a follower of Islam. I don't know what the current true reality of Xinjiang is today. But the Chinese must realize religion is important to Muslims. No Muslim state (sensible) will question China's sovereignty of Xinjiang if it can provide a guarantee that Muslims can practice their religion freely. When I mean freely brother this includes being allowed to pray in a Mosque, reading the Quran and fasting. What this doesn't include is for a Muslim to seek independence when these sacred rights are protected.

All those false claims were debunked many times with my many videos before, but if you don't see and listen, no one can help you.

But What can you do... Every new Gen think they know better than the previous one... So let them get burn and maybe they will understand... as their forefathers did...

You can wait, that's fine.

 

[OIO]

We did have educational facilities. However, we never took away their ethnic identity or their right to practice their religion. Pakistan also never imprisoned their family members. Instead, we used the principles of Islam to educate them on how wrong their actions were and how they were being used by warlords for their own selfish interests. Winning the hearts and minds of the people is the way forward rather than using brute force on the entire population.

But what concerns most Pakistani's and Muslims, in general, is the CPC policy of restricting Muslims to practice their religion. When you stop Muslims from praying then you are infringing upon their basic rights as a follower of Islam. I don't know what the current true reality of Xinjiang is today. But the Chinese must realize religion is important to Muslims. No Muslim state (sensible) will question China's sovereignty of Xinjiang if it can provide a guarantee that Muslims can practice their religion freely. When I mean freely brother this includes being allowed to pray in a Mosque, reading the Quran and fasting. What this doesn't include is for a Muslim to seek independence when these sacred rights are protected.

They once were fully free, but they began to kill people and fire in the street, i don't believe freedom of religious, it's religious war in name of freedom of religious.

 

[beijingwalker]

Most law enforcement officers in Xinjiang are Uighur Muslims themselves, Most people terrorists killed in the past decades were all Uighurs.

 

[HannibalBarca]

They once were fully free, but they began to kill people and fire in the street, i don't believe freedom of religious, it's religious war in name of freedom of religious.

Restriction on Islam and Muslims re-started with the rise of Communism in China... Where the first targets were Hui Muslims... Since at that Time Uighur region was seen as a far/poor/lost region...

 

[beijingwalker]

Restriction on Islam and Muslims re-started with the rise of Communism in China... Where the first targets were Hui Muslims... Since at that Time Uighur region was seen as a far/poor/lost region...

Do you know Kazakhstan have more restrictions and Turkey was the first Muslim country actually institutionalized restrictions on religious practicing in the country?

In Kazakhstan, for wearing face veils will be fined 50 monthly notional unit, reports Kazakhstan’s Ministry of Religious Affairs and Civil Society. ‘Wearing a niqab, a veil, a paranja, a balaclava, as well as ski masks, in public places prevent law enforcement authorities from identifying the person.

The effectiveness of measures to ensure public safety is declining. Therefore, this rule is introduced’, said the chairman of the department Committee on Religious Affairs Erkin Ongarbayev. As explained in the Ministry, in public places will be allowed to wear only medical masks, as well as masks provided for by safety in the workplace. As for ski masks and balaclava, these hats can be worn only on sports grounds.

Otherwise, there is a fine of 50 MNU (KZT133,450). | Материалды көшіріп бассаңыз https://qazaqtimes.com/en/article/30321 сайтының гиперсілтемесін міндетті түрде қойыңыз. Авторлық құқықты сақтаңыз.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Do you know Kazakhstan have more restrictions and Turkey was the first country actually institutionalized restrictions on religious practicing in the country?

Yes. Kazaks were Communist (legacy from the Soviets)... Actually Many Muslims were deported into Camps in the North.
As for Turkey... it was the Secular Gov... Where Islamic practice was restricted.

Thankfully those same who believed to win over Islam... just lost at the End... They disappeared and Islam is back again...
Stalin Tried More than China will ever do... and still lost... (Almost 25% were Muslims under Soviet Union)

 

[beijingwalker]

Yes. Kazaks were Communist (legacy from the Soviets)... Actually Many Muslims were deported into Camps in the North.
As for Turkey... it was the Secular Gov... Where Islamic practice was restricted.

Thankfully those same who believed to win over Islam... just lost at the End... They disappeared and Islam is back again...

But how come we don't see many people go after Kazahkstan and Turkey over those issues?

 

[OIO]

Restriction on Islam and Muslims re-started with the rise of Communism in China... Where the first targets were Hui Muslims... Since at that Time Uighur region was seen as a far/poor/lost region...

Don't use freedom of religious to bash China while you don't accept other ideologies to expand in your land.

 

[HannibalBarca]

But how come we don't see many people go after Kazakhstan and Turkey over those issues?

They were overtaken by their own people... And contrary to today... No one Knew about Muslim deportation in Soviet Union at that time... Till Independence and Documents from the KGB... Same as China... If you guys didn't let your Docs leak or kept your whistleblower and your Internet vids in check... The world wouldn't have known... and we wouldn't be here today.

But with the Internet... Everything can be known ina split second... Everyone can share an instant behavior/opinion and the world will know... it doesn't matter if there is a Digital Great wall or not...

Don't use freedom of religious to bash China while you don't accept other ideologies to expand in your land.

Thankfully our History is our Witness.. you should read Religious minorities under Muslim rule... You may be surprised... to know that THEY themselves chose to migrate From Christians ruling from Europe to Muslim ones... Like in Andalusia or Under the Ottoman Empire...

I have nothing on China tbh... except Her restriction of Muslims... I mean.. even Terro op is ok to do... No one will be against you to protect yourself... But this is not protection anymore... it's an excuse to advance another agenda... and such restrictions isn't new either...as I said... It restarted under Communist China... with Hui muslims before any "Terro"

 

[OIO]

They were overtaken by their own people... And contrary to today... No one Knew about Muslim deportation in Soviet Union at that time... Till Independence and Documents from the KGB... Same as China... If you guys didn't let your Docs leak or kept your whistleblower and your Internet vids in check... The world wouldn't have known... and we wouldn't be here today.

But with the Internet... Everything can be known ina split second... Everyone can share an instant behavior/opinion and the world will know... it doesn't matter if there is a Digital Great wall or not...


Thankfully our History is our Witness.. you should read Religious minorities under Muslim rule... You may be surprised... to know that THEY themselves chose to migrate From Christians ruling from Europe to Muslim ones... Like in Andalusia or Under the Ottoman Empire...

I have nothing on China tbh... except Her restriction of Muslims... I mean.. even Terro op is ok to do... No one will be against you to protect yourself... But this is not protection anymore... it's an excuse to advance another agenda... and such restrictions isn't new either...a s I said... It restarted under Communist China...

Of cause I know the history, do you really think Islam expanded by peace? Please have a look at the map the bleeding edge of the Muslim world. China want peace with Muslim world doesn't mean China will accept islam expanding in China.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Of cause I know the history, do you really think Islam expanded by peace? Please have a look at the map the bleeding edge of the Muslim world. China want peace with Muslim world doesn't mean China will accept islam expanding in China.

In the Beginning of Islam... There were 2 superpowers who declared war on Muslims... the Byzantine Empire(Romans) and the Sassanids(Persia)... it's the equivalent of the US and Russia today... And Muslims did the only thing appropriate at that time... They defended themselves... and went to war against them... So yes Ofc... When Muslims defeated the Sassanids and The Byzantium... they will automatically have their territories under their rule... And after that Islam with various groups operate an Expansion as ANY EMPIRE... No shame in that... We are quite proud of it... it's like saying the Eskimos winning over the US and RUSSIA at the SAME time...

China want peace with Muslims... and Muslims want peace with China... Or do you see any Muslim country waging war against China? The only problem is how you treat CHINESE Muslims... that's the only thing... People aren't asking much... Just let them practice their religion freely... take out the restriction of religious practice... AND if after that Some Muslims use Terror acts or wish to separate from China then NO ONE will stop you...

Muslims are forbidden to FIGHT/REBEL/DISOBEY a nation/gov/entity that GIVES THEM their total freedom to practice Islam... Remember that... As long as they can practice , they have no right to rebel...
Only rebellion is when they can't practice their religion freely and fully with No Future to end it.

Now about Islam expanding in China... Can you tell me who is FORCING CHINESE to convert? the answer is no one... Whatever a Chinese accept Islam... it's in his own... So if you guys are that sure about your belief...why do you fear People will Accept Islam... let them be... They accept or not it's their choice... Or do you think Chinese aren't intelligent/mature enough to make their choice...

 

[FedererExpress]

Mesut Özil is a hero. He won’t be bought off by CCP dirty money like many Muslim countries have been. Go on ya mate.

 

[IblinI]

Previously Armenian, currently Kurdish and Turkish is lecturing about Human rights and shouting out support for other independent movements? Heh, how ironic.

 

[OIO]

Or do you see any Muslim country waging war against China?

Turkey and Saudi did.

Actually Muslim countries killed many communist, they were also not forced to believe.

Dont pretend to be angel, US made trouble in Muslim world but you are making trouble with others by exploiting the freedom of religious.