ALL Xinjiang related issues e.g. uyghur people, development, videos etc, In here please.

[masterchief_mirza]

What, am i missing something , i still stand by my words, you surely would have been dependent, come on


Palestine gets plenty coverage, the whole world knows about the situation, everyone gets to know what happens, missile fired we get to know, people killed we know, hamas does something in israel we get to know, dont conflate the issue. If you dont like foreign press, then pakistan press shoud go and investigate there, or chose whatsoever method you think is good for clarification but do that, but without doing anything dont blame the world for blming china.

And there it is. Palestinians fire a rocket and poor Israel defends itself. You miss the whole issue of what made that rocket get launched, whether it was due to some initial oppression from Israel. I'm not going to get into a lecture on media/propaganda basics that you already know. You're not some 10 year old.

So stop pretending "western media access" results in unbiased factual analysis of any situation.

Clearly some agencies have an agenda hence will selectively report certain items but disregard other items to present something in a certain way. India does this too so drop the meaningless ramblings.

 

[BL33D]

And there it is. Palestinians fire a rocket and poor Israel defends itself. You miss the whole issue of what made that rocket get launched, whether it was due to some initial oppression from Israel. I'm not going to get into a lecture on media/propaganda basics that you already know. You're not some 10 year old.

So stop pretending "western media access" results in unbiased factual analysis of any situation.

Clearly some agencies have an agenda hence will selectively report certain items but disregard other items to present something in a certain way. India does this too so drop the meaningless ramblings.

Therefore in my reply i addressed your concern by saying pakistan should do the investigation or any other possible solution. Why are you ignoring that part. And i am not speaking about who did what, we can discuss that somewhere else , but i am saying that it does get attention and is open to criticize and validation unlike in China. Thats it, who is wrong or right in the issue is a thing for separate discussion.

 

[nang2]

so if we go to beijing and demolish forbidden city, will u say the same

Terrible argument. Really shows your intellectual capacity. When some people exclaim about mosque demolition, have they really thought just a little bit deeper? What kind of mosques are they? Are they newly built or have been there for thousands of years? Who are the ones that are not happy with these mosques and why are they not happy? Unfortunately, too many people are just ruled by their own emotions and their frontal cortex is severely drained of energy. Do yourself a favor and think deeper.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Terrible argument. Really shows your intellectual capacity. When some people exclaim about mosque demolition, have they really thought just a little bit deeper? What kind of mosques are they? Are they newly built or have been there for thousands of years? Who are the ones that are not happy with these mosques and why are they not happy? Unfortunately, too many people are just ruled by their own emotions and their frontal cortex is severely drained of energy. Do yourself a favor and think deeper.

as i said, will u say the same if somebody demolishes the forbidden city in beijing for the exact same reason u gave abt Mosques?

 

[fisher1]

Wow, you're just a sucker for everyone's propaganda, aren't you? You're liking an Indian poster's comments. I'm sure someone like you who is professionally outraged by any slight Muslims suffer around the world knows what India does to Muslims, right? Why don't you give him one of your indignant lectures instead of liking his posts, hmm?

What does my liking his posts have to do with India and Kashmir?. I have liked beijingwalker posts too, that doesn't mean i changed my views on Uighurs.

I think he gets to listen to a lot of lectures from other Pakistanis here so I'll save my breath. It's the Uighurs that are abandoned and nobody dares speak in their favor due to might of China

 

[BL33D]

What does my liking his posts have to do with India and Kashmir?. I have liked beijingwalker posts too, that doesn't mean i changed my views on Uighurs.

I think he gets to listen to a lot of lectures from other Pakistanis here so I'll save my breath. It's the Uighurs that are abandoned and nobody dares speak in their favor due to might of China

And i like this knowing how much it will burn him

 

[nang2]

as i said, will u say the same if somebody demolishes the forbidden city in beijing for the exact same reason u gave abt Mosques?

No, dummy. Nobody likes to have something he is familiar with to be demolished, unless it is done by himself. Even if nothing is demolished, like the empty lot that was proposed to build a mosque in my neighborhood, people are still against it. People don't like familiar things changed into something unfamiliar and that is the source of resentment if forced upon. Muslims don't like their newly built mosque being demolished, nor do other people who didn't like that mosque to be built in the first place. Look at the bigger and fuller picture unless all you have learned from Islam is to disregard other people entirely.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Therefore in my reply i addressed your concern by saying pakistan should do the investigation or any other possible solution. Why are you ignoring that part. And i am not speaking about who did what, we can discuss that somewhere else , but i am saying that it does get attention and is open to criticize and validation unlike in China. Thats it, who is wrong or right in the issue is a thing for separate discussion.

But this is patently false. Something that is not reported cannot be criticised. Coverage of the Israel Palestinian conflict is a great example of bias by omission. How can I criticise Israeli actions if they are simply not reported by mainstream media? Likewise, how can I commend China's actions if all the media says is "concentration camp to control Muslims"?

 

[fisher1]

so if we go to beijing and demolish forbidden city, will u say the same

Sorry but you're being a hypocrite now.

I drain my energy all day speaking up for Uighurs and responding to an army of Chinese and Chinese lovers including Pakistanis against this exact issue.

Suddenly, one Chinese admits to something and you feel hurt?. Don't be a hypocrite now and support him like you've been supporting them on their similar acts against Islam and Muslims.

There's nothing wrong with what China demolishing mosques in Xinjiang. They've become graveyards anyway and tourist spots where they take money from people to visit them and people dance in front of them rather than being mosques. Might as well put an end to the hypocrisy as Muslims can't pray there anyway.

 

[BL33D]

But this is patently false. Something that is not reported cannot be criticised. Coverage of the Israel Palestinian conflict is a great example of bias by omission. How can I criticise Israeli actions if they are simply not reported by mainstream media? Likewise, how can I commend China's actions if all the media says is "concentration camp to control Muslims"?

People here atleast know that both sides are involved in killings and justify them. Common people might not, but here people have access to more info than others right. But in case of china even that is pretty less, even we cant definitely say what goes on in xinjiang. Problem is china is a control state, hard to get any info, without info, speculative criticism. Its a dead end if china doesnt help, we cant force into china.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

No, dummy. Nobody likes to have something he is familiar with to be demolished, unless it is done by himself. Even if nothing is demolished, like the empty lot that was proposed to build a mosque in my neighborhood, people are still against it. People don't like familiar things changed into something unfamiliar and that is the source of resentment if forced upon. Muslims don't like their newly built mosque being demolished, nor do other people who didn't like that mosque to be built in the first place. Look at the bigger and full picture unless all you have learned from Islam is to disregard other people entirely.

EXACTLY!

Now go read yr comment all over again! thats the issue with yr statement! and in Xinjiang which shares common borders with Muslim World from 3 sides and is a Muslim Province! This is why nobody is going to like u demolishing them regardless of how new/old they r.

Now understood?

 

[fisher1]

Since China is committing a "genocide" in Xinjiang, apparently, can you name one person who was executed in these so-called concentration camps?

Sure, if China allows the press the freedom then many victims of rape, murder and torture would be named.

 

[BL33D]

EXACTLY!

Now go read yr comment all over again! thats the issue with yr statement! and in Xinjiang which shares common borders with Muslim World from 3 sides and is a Muslim Province! This is why nobody is going to like u demolishing them regardless of how new/old they r.

Now understood?

Also how does it matter new or old, they obviously take clearances before constructing any building, also religious sites of any religion are a work of art. I am an atheist and i can say that. i dont believe in the religions but i agree they sites add value, beauty and tourism. Why want to destroy them unless without an ulterior motive. You can always relocate them, many historical monuments are relocated. Nothing new.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Sorry but you're being a hypocrite now.

I drain my energy all day speaking up for Uighurs and responding to an army of Chinese and Chinese lovers including Pakistanis against this exact issue.

Suddenly, one Chinese admits to something and you feel hurt?. Don't be a hypocrite now and support him like you've been supporting them on their similar acts against Islam and Muslims.

There's nothing wrong with what China demolishing mosques in Xinjiang. They've become graveyards anyway and tourist spots where they take money from people to visit them and people dance in front of them rather than being mosques. Might as well put an end to the hypocrisy as Muslims can't pray there anyway.

hahaha kaka g! u dont know me! yr just too immature thats yr problem.....go read the last post i posted quoting u.

I still standby that. Maslaihat bhi koi cheez hoti ha kakay!

Also how does it matter new or old, they obviously take clearances before constructing any building, also religious sites of any religion are a work of art. I am an atheist and i can say that. i dont believe in the religions but i agree they sites add value, beauty and tourism. Why want to destroy them unless without an ulterior motive. You can always relocate them, many historical monuments are relocated. Nothing new.

and same goes for Babri Masjid too?

Sunshine! dont push it!

 

[nang2]

EXACTLY!

Now go read yr comment all over again! thats the issue with yr statement! and in Xinjiang which shares common borders with Muslim World from 3 sides and is a Muslim Province! This is why nobody is going to like u demolishing them regardless of how new/old they r.

Now understood?

First of all, it is not a Muslim province. Your own bias gives this a new name. It is not even a province and it is definitely not a religious territory.

Second, again, you completely ignore non Muslims. As I said, don't expect things will all go in your way. Grow up!